I already proved you wrong on that point.
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Mark my words I am right and you are wrong, sorry!
That is a ridiculous statement. Tesla, in Q4, made only $330M on nearly $9B revenue. That’s a tiny profit margin. Apple, in that quarter, made around $13B profit on $64B revenue.
To catch up, Tesla would need quarterly revenue of around $400B. That would mean they would need to sell about as much as the top five automakers combined, every quarter. Good luck with that.
I don’t think you know what “proved you wrong” means. That requires proof, not conjecture.
I agree most drivers think they are good, but they aren’t. Tesla self driving would be better for most drivers, agree.
I do however think I’m a better driver than most if for no other reason than I drive a manual and actually have to pay attention. Other very good drivers might be better than Tesla self driving for the foreseeable future in complex situations.
It’s never too late because people will always try to take your business. This includes Apple. Many, many stories of huge companies with enormous moats, cash, market dominance, etc only to have to chipped away over time.
Competition in the electric car market will be as fierce as the car market always has been. Batteries, self driving tech, etc will all be copied and could even be improved. Porsche already showed us they can release a better vehicle than the Model S...more expensive? Yeah, but it’s a Porsche...and it’s impressive.
exactly! we are huge into our road trips and even drove to visit my sister in Canada a few years ago....we live in Texas. Can't imagine having to stop every 250-300 miles to charge the car for a hour or 2 lol
I suspect I would become comfortably dead if I trusted an autonomous car on UK roads. Aside from motorways and A roads, they are just too tricky. With today's technology at least.
I do have a modern vehicle with clever collision avoidance and pedestrian alerts (that's great) and adaptive cruise control (useful on a very long drive but can wind up other drivers on the road). I wouldn't trust a robot driver on some of the winding country roads where I live where unexpected things happen.
I was only curious about Tesla “ownership” comments bc I like to hear what people think ownership really means.
I don’t care what some technical definition says. If the bank can take away your car, you don’t own it. And in my state, you don’t have the title until the loan is paid, meaning you don’t really own it.
Ahhh, so you don’t really own it if you’re making payments, like a house.
We are quite a way off self driving cars being good enough, but it's not unreasonable to assume they will get there someday. When that happens, here's my prediction of where it will eventually go to:
- They will become so safe that it becomes illegal for human driving cars to operate anywhere except on special tracks
- They will be so extraordinarily good, and have a network of communication with each other, so that cars will be capable of driving near on bumper to bumper at high speeds on motorways to save on fuel due to the slipstreaming, and road construction costs due to less lanes required.
- They will become so safe that it becomes illegal for human driving cars to operate anywhere except on special tracks
- They will be so extraordinarily good, and have a network of communication with each other, so that cars will be capable of driving near on bumper to bumper at high speeds on motorways to save on fuel due to the slipstreaming, and road construction costs due to less lanes required.
Where have they been building and testing this mysterious car? Is there a race track and factory deep beneath Apple Park?
who cares? why is this an argument in this thread? lol
majority of people on this site "make payments" towards their iPhones, so technically barely anyone here "owns" one. Do you "make payments" on your iPhone?? just curious of course...no hidden meaning behind this question.
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Ah, so now it takes *two* hours to charge a car to 300 miles.
Sure.
Folks, if you stop every two or three hours to pee, just stop at a supercharger, charge for 15 minutes, and be on your way. It’s really not a big deal.
Actually, there is a secret facility in Santa Clara.
We’re back to “5+ years away.” Kinda like fusion energy. Always the same distance on the horizon.
who stops every 2 hours to pee?? also, this will only work if you are on a main highway. you think the backroads of Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado are gonna have a supercharger that charges in 15 minutes? get real lol
I see it ALL completely differently.
Has nothing to do with anything but "playing those who play the market".
Apple was jealous of the multiple that Netflix got, so they went after streaming media content market, via AppleTV+.
And, they got the multiple they desired WITHOUT having to deliver !
Their biggest hit to date is See.
Now, they are jealous of the multiple that Tesla has received, & want a piece of that action.
I believe they believe they may get rewarded just for the Rumors of getting into the market, somewhere down the line.
It's ALL just more of the same: "Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel".
Rumors like this tend to come out when Apple Execs are worried about iPhone Unit Sales numbers.
Has nothing to do with anything but "playing those who play the market".
Apple was jealous of the multiple that Netflix got, so they went after streaming media content market, via AppleTV+.
And, they got the multiple they desired WITHOUT having to deliver !
Their biggest hit to date is See.
Now, they are jealous of the multiple that Tesla has received, & want a piece of that action.
I believe they believe they may get rewarded just for the Rumors of getting into the market, somewhere down the line.
It's ALL just more of the same: "Blue Horseshoe loves Anacott Steel".
Rumors like this tend to come out when Apple Execs are worried about iPhone Unit Sales numbers.
Ok. Stretch your legs. Whatever.
And since nobody lives in Montana or Wyoming, the lack of sales there won’t hurt anybody.
That said, there are plenty of super chargers in all of those states. So “get real,” too.
Here are the current supercharger locations.
In the timeline we're talking now, self driving can't be the main focus of the car. It'd be like introducing a mass market vehicle in 2020 and bragging that it has an automatic transmission. Uh, yeah, of course it does - 95% of people wouldn't buy it if it didn't.
that means you have to modify your trip JUST so you can charge your car. If you do a route you normally go and it doesn't have a charger, then you have to modify the trip completely and put you in an area you wouldn't otherwise go adding on time to your trip. Again, if you're main highway driving, then sure it won't be a problem, but not everyone sticks to the main highways. It's just not realistic at this point to act like you can drive anywhere in the USA and there's a supercharger available. I can't imagine going on a trip and having to plan the entire drive based on where a supercharger would be.
If you are driving more than 300 miles, you are almost certainly on a road that has a supercharger. Very few trips are >300 miles. And a tiny percentage of those are on routes that don’t intersect super chargers. That’s how Tesla chose where to place them.
As for “planning,” you simply enter your destination into the car’s nav, and it tells you where to go, and suggests which super chargers to stop at.
The 50 mile stretch of backroads don't need a supercharger because it's only 50 miles long. You'll drive from one end to the other and be able to drive for another 200 miles.
Every Tesla vehicle can recover at least 75 miles from a Supercharger in 5 minutes. So recovering energy for that little backroad jaunt will only take 3 minutes, max. Model 3 and Y can do it in closer to 2 minutes.
Talking about how those backroads don't have superchargers is like talking about how there's gaps between gas stations that are 30+ miles long between Vegas and LA - that's fine, people will stop for gas before or after the gap.