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Kuo: Apple Car to Use Hyundai's E-GMP Battery Electric Platform, General Motors Partnership Also Possible
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It feels nice.
What is the reason for owning a closet full of clothes? Most of the time you only wear a tiny fraction of it.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to have one big shares closer that everyone can use?
People in the 1800 were far more advanced than us. In Europe they had a Concept that today would be called „Bathroom as a Service“ where there was only one bathroom that could be used by multiple tenants in a building.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple go straight to a self-driving non-ownership model. There are more ways to innovate that way. The first way is using Apple’s sensor experience to ensure everything is totally clean before going to the next user.
What you said is mainly true for a lot of enthusiasts alike, when you’re talking about something the likely higher value of an Apple car, it goes beyond people who just believe in their services and products, those are probably people that are long standing customers that has been in Apples path line for over 20 years, let alone be able to afford something of this caliber.
And let’s not forget, we don’t even know when Apples alleged car will even come to fruition.
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It doesent make sense untill you're hit with a pandemic, or you actually need a car for something else other than just going from your home to work.
I don’t have a problem using public transport without getting squeamish. It’ll take time to get to fully autonomous self driving and by then it would be trivial to detect when a car needed to be taken off the road for a service and clean, and a customer easily charged for any mess.
In return you’ll get you a much lower cost instead of investing in a depreciating asset and shorter journey times (AI systems managing the driving and traffic controls). Nor will you and authorities have to invest so heavily in parking.
Need a small car? Order one. Need a large? Order that. Need something comfortable for a long haul? Order one of those. You won’t be limited to what you currently own.
And then finally, better for the environment.
There will still be space for people who want to own old classics, just as there is now. But as a whole the fleet model makes so much more sense. I’m confident I’ll live to see this paradigm. It’ll take a while, but it’s inevitable.
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For most people including young people say under 35, subscription to mobility and connectivity (communication, productivity, news and entertainment) services makes sense. Always have access to the latest versions and features, without paying upfront to own or need to sell. It’s an ecosystem and it’s growing.
All eco-useless rich-boy feel-good nonsense if you charge your electric car from a fossil-fuel-supplied charging station. The only green car is skeletally-rusted and overgrown. But I would buy an Apple bicycle.
That sounds terrible, I don’t want to depend on a company for 100% of my transportation and I certainly don’t want to rely on a self driving vehicle or even worse, Uber driver Gavin who just got his license. No thank you.
That is not true. (And i'm saying that as a fan of the ID.3 and Golf owner)
E-GMP is a bit better than the MEB from VW.
- faster charging (thanks to 800V, almost halfing the charging time, compared to 400V architecture from VW)
- much better performance (close to Tesla)
- front motor that can completely decouple (great for efficiency on all-wheel drive cars)
- longer wheelbase with the same length of car, leading to more space inside and likely better comfort
- frunk (front trunk)
It will likely be more efficient too, since the Kona is already more efficient than the ID.3 and the Kona is not even based on the E-GMP yet. And Hyundai said they improved efficiency even further.
The first E-GMP car, the IONIQ 5 will be unveiled in the middle of this month. The specs will speak for itself.
So what pitfalls do you see depending on a company for 100% of your transportation?
Do you recognise that autonomous vehicles will eventually become safer to travel in than human drivers?
That's not really good enough, though is it? Maybe in America where the returns policy isn't universal - but it needs to actually be a good car in the rest of the world to compete.
I would have no questions asked 30 day cooling of period and up to six months of rejection period. The car has to be faultless, look at Tesla and their worryingly high rejection rate because of their poor quality control, Apple can't go that route in an already established market, at the moment 90% of EVs are high budget luxury cars, this is not the iPhone all over again.
Entering the EV market is an obvious one, but also a dangerous one (for a company like Apple) - EVs are going to reach price parity in Europe either this year or the next, we are already seeing companies like Renault/Dacia announcing budget EVs that will appeal to the mass market.
The Hyundai connection is welcome because they (at least now they do) understand the importance of charging standards, I am reasonably confident this will be CCS, again, they can't go the tesla route and go propriety connectors. This worked in the US because charging infrastructure was so bad (and still is) but in Europe where I am literally surrounded by Type2/ChaDeMo/CCS charging stations even in my rural area, sticking to Type2/CCS is a must.
The biggest worry I have about Apple and this market is Apple are slow... very slow This market is moving at light speed and I am not sure they're capable of doing that. 2017s best selling EV was a £37,000 car with a range of 120 miles, 2021 makes that car look like an overpriced monolith. I have never seen a market move so quickly.
What were once trendsetters have been caught out for not moving quick enough (Nissan) and companies that have moved quickly caught up extremely quickly - adaption is not Apple's strong suit.
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Despite most industries adapting to a 21st Century way of doing business, many car dealers are still stuck in the past which makes the entire shopping process a big hassle and, in the time of COVID-19, a big risk. Carmax has just announced that it will be taking a few big steps to make buying a...
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Uber isn’t a fleet, it’s a different business model. It’s individual contractors using their personal cars.
I’m not saying this sea change is coming tomorrow, but it is inevitable.
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Well for one, Teslas are low-quality crap, and one of the least reliable brands. There is indeed a large market for reliable and well-made electric vehicles.
You're living in a fantasy world. There is no 10k Tesla on the horizon. At current prices, Tesla loses money on every single car it builds. The only reason Tesla is still in business is because it sells regulatory credits to other car companies. Once those go away, Tesla is in a world of hurt unless it increases prices or is able to somehow reduce costs significantly.
Why would you ay that? How did you find out that Hyundai had an inferior architecture to VW?
