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Kuo: Apple Expected to Sell at Least 20 Million 'iPhone SE 2' Models in 2020
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I used to have a large Android phone, but it was too bulky/cumbersome for when I go running. So I also had a cheap Windows phone (3.5") to run with.
Whilst price is important, it's the size of the iPhone SE that sealed the deal for me - because it's not too cumbersome to run with, and yet it'll still do the bulk of what I need it to do.
I'd prefer to stick with this size phone (or even smaller), but if that's not going to happen then I'll hang on to it until Apple stops issuing iOS updates for it and will then, reluctantly, buy this "iPhone SE2" and put up with the size increase.
Despite my reluctance to do this, I do applaud Apple for bringing out a new phone that I should hopefully be able to afford (unlike the current iPhones).
Whilst price is important, it's the size of the iPhone SE that sealed the deal for me - because it's not too cumbersome to run with, and yet it'll still do the bulk of what I need it to do.
I'd prefer to stick with this size phone (or even smaller), but if that's not going to happen then I'll hang on to it until Apple stops issuing iOS updates for it and will then, reluctantly, buy this "iPhone SE2" and put up with the size increase.
Despite my reluctance to do this, I do applaud Apple for bringing out a new phone that I should hopefully be able to afford (unlike the current iPhones).
I think I was in that group range but! It was years ago
being on 5s I waited so long not having decent replacement with headphone jack seeing notch on ipX I finally updated to ip7 I got used to it's size and sure I want something similar but better but not step back anymore. We waited to long to enjoy small ip8 version, no way I'm gonna buy it. It has to be something like ip 11 witch no notch, fingerprint and wide angle.
being on 5s I waited so long not having decent replacement with headphone jack seeing notch on ipX I finally updated to ip7 I got used to it's size and sure I want something similar but better but not step back anymore. We waited to long to enjoy small ip8 version, no way I'm gonna buy it. It has to be something like ip 11 witch no notch, fingerprint and wide angle.
Yea right. Keep dreaming. Software is not going to improve the minuscule battery that much. This new phone is a throwback to when Apple focused their product line toward light and thin. Then people complained about crummy battery life, so now we have heavy and bigger. Be careful what you ask for
It still has the home button though, doesn’t it? The rumor is for an updated iPhone 8, it won’t be SE-sized (or smaller).
Spot on. And from a person with no conflict of interest as admitted you prefer a smaller phone.
....perfect follow up to SE...size, cost, features...From this thread alone I would say it is at least 10 versions!
For what it’s worth, my perfect version is 4.7“ all-screen LCD in SE body. A13. 3GB RAM. No (expensive) Face ID (in screen Touch ID instead). Single camera. Low end of mid tier price ($500).
The rumored SE2 iPhone 8 refresh will sell modestly well. Based on its low price and spec upgrade A13 which promises many years of future iOS support. Many iPhone 6, 6s owners will buy it. Many 5s and SE owners will buy it too (yes, they will...it‘ll be cheapest and smallest current model iPhone, and it will be a “new model”, and they know they can rock it it for the next 5 years)
Haha, right? I love Macrumors but when I saw the article title I muttered 'enough with the SE 2' already!
Well, hopefully it is thicker to fit a larger battery. 1800mAh doesnt sound good in 2020, thats true.
But lets not forget iPhone 11 has a 3110 battery and lasts as long as Note 10+ (during heavy use) with 4300 battery and only 1/2 an hour less than P30 Pro with a 4200 battery. Apple are doing great even with smaller batteries.
I hope they make it thicker and focus on the specs rather than the looks.
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Yea I still have my 8 and the battery sucks. I’m a heavy user and have to have access to power all the time. I have an Anker power bank that is a must have for me or else I wouldn’t make it.
Who’s is the loser that can’t spell correctly.
Hang LOOSE dude.
Because despite what SE super fans think, people mainly buy it because of price. Those who have price as their main criteria buy the smaller screen phone to save $300, and they’re more than happy to give up some screen size.
Just as fast, same 5+ year lifespan and well-featured—for almost half the price. That’s the very definition of a great deal. Sure it only has a single rear camera and doesn’t have FaceID, but if it did it would be $599. (And some prefer TouchID anyway).
Those who don’t like small displays and have an extra $5-10 month to spare in their budget get the $699 iPhone. They have zero interest in a small screen, and really don’t even consider it.
There’s surprisingly little crossover between those groups. Sure there are some who buy the small phone because they actually prefer smaller phones, and would pay $700 to get it. They benefit from those who buy due to price, and Apple’s ok with that.
That’s my take anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yes, because 90% think that the 4" is too small and outdated now and i agree. You can barely see anything on that small display. I understand if older people just want a phone for phone calls, but they should just get a flip phone if they cannot get used to the 4.7" model. A Smartphone is a computer, and not just a phone.
Most want the 4.7” screen. But a 5” can be easily implemented on an 6/7/8 chassis.
Don't get me wrong, i also love my iPhone 5 that i still have. It's a perfect iPod. But i wouldn't want that phone (or the SE) as my main phone anymore.
Apple’s sold hundreds of millions of iPhones with a 4.7” display at this point and they’re going to use that leverage to keep costs down on the new $399 iPhone. I can’t imagine they’d design and manufacture an all new display.
really? you can barely see anything on the 4" display? So i guess that means all phones prior to about 2014 were unusable then and no one bought any? How did we survive?
or are you saying human eyesight is worse today than 4-5 years ago?
i can see everything on my 4" just fine. in fact i got rid of my XS and went back to another SE as I much prefer it.
For me, and many others it isn't a computer. it's a phone with some added features. for me podcasts and a qwerty keyboard for text, and easy management of contacts. that's all I need other than phone calls. a flip phone doesn't work well for those. So its not up to you what "old people" should do. I'm not old, I just don't like wasting my life staring into a phone.
No it's not up to me what other people do, and i don't care either way, and i would be happy for you and for many others if Apple would give you that 4" phone that you want. But i totally get why it's no longer happening, and i understand Apple for not making one, because the market isn't there, the majority of smartphone users is fine with bigger screens. It would not be profitable for Apple. Not everyone wants a phablet, sure, but there are so many great compact phones out there, just slightly bigger than the current SE. A device like the iPhone 8 etc... every current Android phone is larger than the SE by now.
Yes Apple produced and sold plenty of 3.5" and 4" iPhones, but that was a long time ago, where there simply were no bigger displays from Apple. Even Android phones from the time had bigger displays and dimensions. Look at some old threads from 2013, when the 5s was announced. People were crying about the fact that the 5c/5s still had 4" displays, and that they maintained the 16/32/64 GB config. I just read some posts from the 5s announcement thread the other day.
Apple sold 220 million units of the 6 and 6 Plus combined, it was the iPhone with the most units sold. Why was that? Because people wanted a bigger screen. 5s to 6, the technical improvement was next to nothing, apart from the bigger screen / higher resolution (especially on the Plus), and a new design. CPU was barely any faster, and the Camera also didn't improve much. You had Focus Pixels and 60 fps video recording, and an OIS on the Plus. Still the iPhone 6 was and still is the iPhone with the most units sold in the history of iPhone. It says a lot, and that was in 2014/2015.
Just compare the screen size from a typical PC screen from the 1980s/1990s with today's screen sizes. PC/Mac, not talking about TVs.
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well now you're contradicting yourself. you said 4" is unusable, but now you're saying it's simply preference. you said "old people should", but that's not telling people what to do?????
has it occurred to you that apple and all the others realize there is little left in innovation in phone design right now. so the only way to get the sheep to upgrade every year is to make inconsequential changes such as screen size and then use that change to double the price over the last few years.
so are apple et al really selling what the market wants, or are they simply selling what they can get away with to maximize their profits? whenever a small brand releases a small phone, or even minimalist style phones they attract a lot of attention. the constant threads on here about the desire for a small phone is also a clear indicator.
i know lots of people do not see the value in phones costing $1500+.. i like others can afford it, in fact i did as i had an XS after my last SE got damaged. but it had no value to me. in fact it was a negative experience and I wouldn't have an XS sized phone again even for free.
whenever apple, or costco or whoever have stock of the SE they sell out instantly. i know as i picked up my new SE this summer from costco and they went in minutes. the 6S and 7/8 phones sit there forever.
the fact is there are people who use phones as a computer. good for them, i hope they can continue to get big phones which clearly they will. but there are also a lot of people who do not use it as a computer. i have 2 computers for that. i want a phone, that is portable, light, small with the basic features. there is a huge market for basic phones, have you heard of India?? kaios phones there sell in their millions. most of them are feature phones. so whether the market is driven by price or size it doesn't matter as they would still sell a lot.
give me a waterproof SE and and upgraded chip so it lasts me another 5 years and that would be fine for me, and judging by the thousands of posts on here for a lot of other people too..
apple could easily offer a 4" phone and they would make money doing so.. i suspect the reason why they are slow to do so is the exact opposite of your reasoning. people buy the new expensive phones because they have no choice. so while basically 2 players dominate the market why would they give customers an option? by forcing you to choose the big profitable devices they make more money and attempt to justify the cost, when in reality the new phones do nothing amazingly different to ones from 6 years ago..
but if they admitted that how could they justify more than doubling the price?