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Kuo: Apple Expected to Sell at Least 20 Million 'iPhone SE 2' Models in 2020
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Rumors suggest it will be done in 2020.
Kinda small, and very cheap in March. Not as small as SE, but for many, cheap is all that matters. Those will buy it.
Even smaller (5.4“ all screen rumor), but with $1000 premium features and price, in September.
It's the second time that i read this and honestly i didn't understand the reason why the Iphone 6/6s owners in particular should substitute their phone with another one that looks alike with the same old fashion model.
I think instead that the "SE 2" will be more popular among who has even older models, or the orginal SE, and wants a bigger screen, but onestly as Iphone 6s owner actually i'd rather like the little 11 Pro.
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For the love of god, please stop showing that same stupid picture of the original SE. Unless there's a rumor about that size of iPhone then it's just irrelevant and invites people to spend the whole thread arguing about there being a small iPhone again.
Those 6(s) owners that prioritized getting the next gen design had 3 years to do that already. The millions that hadn’t by now probably value other things, like their home button and their touch id or maybe not paying 1000$ (vs the 650 they used to). This will be the phone for them.
Not likely, the original SE never sold that much in its entire lifecycle, let alone a single year. If Apple could offer a 5.5” screen at $399 instead of just a 4.7”, that might sell 60 million. But it would also cut into the 11S, so that would be a bad idea (for Apple) overall.
Relatively few want a small phone, at any price. Even in the Android world, where demand is 3-4 times higher than Apple, not enough want a small phone. Out of dozens of manufacturers, no one can find a market. Even a $100 Android will have a big screen.
Apple doesn’t make 10, 11 or 12” screens any more. 13” is about to become 14. 3.5” iPhones—gone. 4.0” iPhones—gone. 2-3 years from now, the 4.7” will likely be history as well.
I can live with the size bump - the 6S size is ok. What makes me a sure buyer is the A13 and better battery life than original SE. The camera (even if it's unchanged) is good for mobile video. I use a real camera for video but the SE is a tiny powerhouse and it's too bad it's going away.
Apple is rumored to be working on an updated lower-cost "iPhone SE 2," which is set to be released in 2020. In a new research note to investors highlighting supplier expectations for the new device that was seen by MacRumors, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has shared some sales predictions.
Kuo believes Apple will ship at least 20 million iPhone SE 2 units in 2020, following the device's launch in the first half of the year. An optimistic situation, says Kuo, is 30 million units.
iPhone SE and iPhone 8
According to Kuo, the iPhone SE 2 will use a 10-layer Substrate-like PCB (SLP) for its motherboard, which will benefit some iPhone suppliers like Pending Holdings, Xinxing, and AT&S despite the fact that it's expected to be a less expensive component than the SLP used in the iPhone 11 series.
In prior research notes, Kuo has shared quite a lot of detail on the "iPhone SE 2," which, despite the somewhat misleading name, is actually closer in design and specification to an iPhone 8.
The device will feature a 4.7-inch display, a single-lens rear camera, and a Touch ID fingerprint sensor. It will ship with the same A13 chip that's in the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro, and it will have 3GB RAM.
The only thing that's "iPhone SE 2" about the upcoming iPhone is its price, which is expected to be $399. At that price point, it will replace the iPhone 8, which Apple currently sells for $449.
Apple's upcoming low-cost iPhone is expected to be a very popular upgrade option for iPhone users who are still holding on to an older model like an iPhone 6 or 6s and are looking for an affordable upgrade option that offers the same speeds and many of the same features as Apple's flagship devices.
It's also expected to be popular in countries where lower-cost devices sell well, such as India and China.
The new iPhone is expected to come out in the spring of 2020, which would see Apple launching it months ahead of when the new 2020 flagship iPhones come out in September.
Article Link: Kuo: Apple Expected to Sell at Least 20 Million 'iPhone SE 2' Models in 2020
Tens of millions of people might sound extremely vocal but that’s only because you think that’s minor.
I don’t understand why some people who like big phones think there is very less demand for small phones. You, your friends and family, your co-workers may like big phones, but that doesn’t give any indication of the demands of the other 6 billion odd people.
Also, the various companies not making small phones could be a technological or manufacturing problem as having high specifications in a small case is difficult while maintaining decent battery performance.
It’s not like if Apple makes a smaller phone, the big ones will disappear, both can coexist easily.
I personally am preordering it if it is going to come in a dual-sim version at the size of an iPhone8. I don’t even need an upgraded camera and am willing to pay a premium for smaller size, which is what I did when I got my SE. It was so expensive but I bought it purely because it had good specs in a small form-factor.
Also, the various companies not making small phones could be a technological or manufacturing problem as having high specifications in a small case is difficult while maintaining decent battery performance.
It’s not like if Apple makes a smaller phone, the big ones will disappear, both can coexist easily.
I personally am preordering it if it is going to come in a dual-sim version at the size of an iPhone8. I don’t even need an upgraded camera and am willing to pay a premium for smaller size, which is what I did when I got my SE. It was so expensive but I bought it purely because it had good specs in a small form-factor.
Precisely!
Let's get some more size diversity in the lineup please!
Tired of just "big, bigger and huge"
I’ve purchased two SE’s for family members. I have a 6s, and always carry my phone in my front pocket. To me, my sister’s 6s Plus at 5.5” is huge; it’s too big for me. I like small(er) phones.
But what I personally like/want isn’t the same as what the market overall wants. It hasn’t escaped my notice that the more recent phones are 5.8, 6.1, 6.5 and there’s even a 6.7 reportedly in the works for next year.
I don’t view this as a conspiracy to keep me from my preferred smaller phone; to me this says most people want bigger phones. Go figure. Things change.
Those who thought 3.5” phones were perfect had to deal with those being discontinued. SE fans have to deal with 4.0” being discontinued. Those who think 4.7” is the largest they would want will probably have to deal with the fact that those will be going away in a few years, too.
But tastes change. Maybe 5-10 years from now, small phones will come back. Apple might bring out a 2.75” or 3.0” iPhone that 50 million customers love, who knows? It would be rather ironic to hear SE fans complain about the ridiculously small screen and unusable keyboard, though
Probably one of the main reasons to launch an iPhone that appeals the 6/6S users is not just the extra bucks from the phone purchase: some of their products are starting to require the latest iOS version. Apple Watch, AirPods Pro, etc.
Just those two mean no less than extra $600 when purchased together.
Just those two mean no less than extra $600 when purchased together.
NO, we don't. The iPhone 8 is huge. We want the iPhone SE size (4")
Most of the "latest" stuff is what I want to avoid. FaceID? gimme a break. TouchID is so much easier to use - I can use it from bed in the dark while my SE is on the nightstand, or in my pocket, so it's unlocked before it even comes out. FaceID is too cumbersome.
But this isn't a small phone, so we don't want this!
Exactly! I would never switch from my SE to a huge 4.7" iPhone! In fact, I have my SE because I returned the just-released 6 when it came out because it was too big. If only Apple would make a premium 4" iPhone at ANY price, I'd be all over it.
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I’ve purchased two SE’s for family members. I have a 6s, and always carry my phone in my front pocket. To me, my sister’s 6s Plus at 5.5” is huge; it’s too big for me. I like small(er) phones.
But what I personally like/want isn’t the same as what the market overall wants. It hasn’t escaped my notice that the more recent phones are 5.8, 6.1, 6.5 and there’s even a 6.7 reportedly in the works for next year.
I don’t view this as a conspiracy to keep me from my preferred smaller phone; to me this says most people want bigger phones. Go figure. Things change.
Those who thought 3.5” phones were perfect had to deal with those being discontinued. SE fans have to deal with 4.0” being discontinued. Those who think 4.7” is the largest they would want will probably have to deal with the fact that those will be going away in a few years, too.
But tastes change. Maybe 5-10 years from now, small phones will come back. Apple might bring out a 2.75” or 3.0” iPhone that 50 million customers love, who knows? It would be rather ironic to hear SE fans complain about the ridiculously small screen and unusable keyboard, though
It seems that your premise is that "the market has spoken", just because there are only large phones available now, and they sell very well. However, there is currently no premium 4" smartphone available, so how do we know what the market wants? I personall know quite a few people who hate the large size of their current iPhone, but they shrug and say "oh well, that's all they make, so I have to use it."
Sales numbers for the large phones are not really very informative in the absence of a viable alternative for buyers to choose.
If it has a headphone jack, I'll probably grab one. It's really convenient to be able to use headphones without needing a dongle or to jam some 150$ bits of plastic in my ears.
There is something undeniable about the look and feel of the 5 form-factor. I love the edge, I love its size. When my 6s burned itself up, I got a 10s. I had the SE before and during the 6S. I would buy the ‘SE 2’ if it was going to continue with its design cues. What I don’t understand is why Apple thinks it is all about the phone’s cost; no Apple, I want something small, fast and powerful, and would happily pay for it. I dreamed of the ‘5’ form with an edge to edge display. I wish. An 8-sized phone misses the point by a mile.
It seems to me your premise is to ignore all the evidence to the contrary and instead claim there’s somehow a viable market for a small phone, and that all the cellphone manufacturers don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t buy it. Which is an unfortunate situation for me, because I like smaller phones.
But set aside your personal preference for awhile and look at it objectively. Manufacturers make things that (enough) people want to buy. They’re not in the business of trying to kill a product that (enough) people want. That’s not how you make the big bucks—that’s how you go broke. But not enough people want what you want.
It didn’t happen overnight, it was a multi year process. But over time, as phones became no longer a phone, but a computer—for many their only computing device—market demand shifted to larger and larger phones. Smaller phones sold worse and worse over time, while conversely, larger phones started selling better and better. That’s simply a fact.
It’s easily seen with Apple, where in the 6/6s timeframe, the 4.7” regular model outsells the Plus. But by the time you get to iPhone 7 and then 8, it flips. The 5.5” Plus starts to outsell the 4.7”.
When people use a phone to watch movies, most want a larger screen. They want 5.8, 6.5, 6.7. Same with GPS. YouTube. Games. Tumblr. Excel. Slack. Gsuite. FaceTime/Skype. Snap. FB if you’re old school. Whatever.
All those apps, and many more—most, don’t you think?—offer a better UX on a larger screen than on a smaller screen. You don’t have to believe that; it makes no difference to me. But instead of pretending that if only Apple would build you your perfect** iPhone, they’d have a sure-fire hit on their hands, maybe consider the possibility that the time has come and gone for a “real” SE2. Or not, suit yourself.
**What should Apple even build? Physically SE-sized with a screen as large as possible? Or screen no bigger than 4.0”? Basic $350? Mid-tier $600? Flagship-class $900. Instead of a 20 million unit, unified SE demand you’ve probably got 2 or 3 versions of “my perfect SE, I’d buy if Apple made it”. None of which, as a single model, would sell enough to even approach a viable market, imo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same here I would pay flagship premium for a spec-ed out ‘5’ form.
A 4.7" iPhone WITHOUT the home button area will have a full screen and actually be a little smaller as the SE now (which has a total diagonal measurement of 5"). Now I'm only hoping they keep the power button at the top...
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Apple is rumored to be working on an updated lower-cost "iPhone SE 2," which is set to be released in 2020. In a new research note to investors highlighting supplier expectations for the new device that was seen by MacRumors, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has shared some sales predictions.
Kuo believes Apple will ship at least 20 million iPhone SE 2 units in 2020, following the device's launch in the first half of the year. An optimistic situation, says Kuo, is 30 million units.
iPhone SE and iPhone 8
According to Kuo, the iPhone SE 2 will use a 10-layer Substrate-like PCB (SLP) for its motherboard, which will benefit some iPhone suppliers like Pending Holdings, Xinxing, and AT&S despite the fact that it's expected to be a less expensive component than the SLP used in the iPhone 11 series.
In prior research notes, Kuo has shared quite a lot of detail on the "iPhone SE 2," which, despite the somewhat misleading name, is actually closer in design and specification to an iPhone 8.
The device will feature a 4.7-inch display, a single-lens rear camera, and a Touch ID fingerprint sensor. It will ship with the same A13 chip that's in the iPhone 11 and 11 Pro, and it will have 3GB RAM.
The only thing that's "iPhone SE 2" about the upcoming iPhone is its price, which is expected to be $399. At that price point, it will replace the iPhone 8, which Apple currently sells for $449.
Apple's upcoming low-cost iPhone is expected to be a very popular upgrade option for iPhone users who are still holding on to an older model like an iPhone 6 or 6s and are looking for an affordable upgrade option that offers the same speeds and many of the same features as Apple's flagship devices.
It's also expected to be popular in countries where lower-cost devices sell well, such as India and China.
The new iPhone is expected to come out in the spring of 2020, which would see Apple launching it months ahead of when the new 2020 flagship iPhones come out in September.
Article Link: Kuo: Apple Expected to Sell at Least 20 Million 'iPhone SE 2' Models in 2020
I sure hope everyone who pines for this phone realizes that it will come with the same crummy 1800 mAh battery which runs down just looking at it. Same as the other phones of this type:6, 6s,7 etc
The battery itself may be a little larger + A13 will assure better battery life. It's not going to be that bad.
Just as easy as that huh,You really have no clue