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Commercially? No. But is the AVP really worth 7 times more than the cost of the Quest 3? Maybe to some
That's the wrong question. The question is AVP really worth 7 times more than the cost of iPad, because that's what the device is. It's an iPad. That costs $3,500. That requires huge compromises in order to use.
 
Commercially? No. But is the AVP really worth 7 times more than the cost of the Quest 3? Maybe to some but I doubt the vast majority would be willing to pay that kind of premium for something that is going to collect dust more than anything else.

As much as I would love to see AVP succeed, it's going to need to come down in price first. It doesn't need the eyesight (or whatever they are calling the front) screen. I don't know how much that would lower the costs but they could start there.

Even if the AVP is somehow a "must have" item. We are all going to have a really hard time convincing friends and family to drop $3500 on one.
Price? I don't think price, even in this extreme, is anywhere near as motivating a factor as the objectionable hardware that no one anywhere actually wants to wear, in order to get at the software.
 
Those that have changed their mind in buying one and instead looking to buy the next version may regret it if Apple chose to remove or downgrade features/functions for version 2. MR have already made posts where Apple has stated designing and manufacturing the VP has been a very difficult process so it stands to reason that Apple would be looking to make the next version easier to manufacture which could mean certain features and functions are downgraded or removed from the original VP. I am sure Apple would also be looking to make it cheaper as well which would mean lower spec'd parts being used. If Apple do this, would those who decided not to buy the VP now and wait for the next version regret their decision?
The more they sell using the same or near same manufacturing process, the cheaper that process becomes. One possibility is to duplicate what they do with iPhones... put the current year's "Pro" features into the non-pro version for next year, which would allow them to sell it cheaper, then put new/upgraded features into next year's "Pro" version.
 
Not just the base storage. It is also the fact that it has M2 when M3 has been out for months now. If anything makes me want to wait for G2 or G3, it is that.

The pricing is also ridiculous. Normally I would defend Apple, but the pricing on this is indefensible. And this is coming from someone who supports AR/VR and 3D tech. This is why I would never buy a car made by Apple. The pricing would be insane. Thanks, but no thanks.
Oooh that’s a good point!
 
180K Units makes it completely unviable as a profitable platform to most 3rd party developers. It's just an iPad hat for now.
If they never sold another one I would agree…. But it’s the first weekend of pre sales on a new line of product.

But they'll sell millions and it will be a success. I have no doubt.
 
So many people on this site want iOS to be like android instead of getting an Android phone.

Enjoy your copy/paste and widgets! I don't get this take, why can't iPhone users like an Android feature and desire it in their iPhone? With this luddite view you would be stuck without a lot of great features iOS has added over the years.
 
Enjoy your copy/paste and widgets! I don't get this take, why can't iPhone users like an Android feature and desire it in their iPhone? With this luddite view you would be stuck without a lot of great features iOS has added over the years.
Calling someone a Luddite because they are happy with iOS is not nice, or fair. It’s bordering on a personal attack. And you wanna talk Copy/Paste? Where the Apple ecosystem smashes it over Android is when I can copy a URL or anything for that matter, on one device and immediately paste it into another. Do that with your Android!

And so what that Apple has features that were first on Android. If they were developed completely Independent, Android would never have been made. Have you seen the latest Samsung phone? It’s unashamedly an iPhone 15 Pro rip off.
 
Me too. I’d like to watch or read them after a lengthy amount of time has passed with the device though. It’s so easy to get caught up in the initial hype and newness of a gadget that flaws or real life use cases can be overlooked. It’s best to have time with stuff.

I've several times considered starting a review website that only reviews items after a year of ownership. I'm sure it'd be a commercial disaster, but it'd at least have real integrity. My bank accepts integrity for mortgage payments, right?
 
Still DOA at this price, 180K is sod all. If Apple only sold 180k iPhones on launch day it would have been a complete flop even in just one country.

TFW you learn Apple sold 200K iPhones on its launch weekend and it was considered a huge success?
 
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The Apple Watch is a watch. It's not a giant freaking world-isolating wall-tethered headset. It requires almost zero effort to convince people to wear a watch, something humans have been wearing for over 200 years. No one wants to wear a headset.
Well now you're just making an argument based on your feelings about the product, rather than any empirical data. Many millions of people are already wearing headsets. If reports are to be believed, this headset produces a quality of experience that far surpasses just about anything else out there. It's a very expensive device at the moment, so it's going to be a niche product in its first year. That's to be expected. But as the form factor gets smaller and as they can bring the costs down, I am willing to wager we'll see demand for this product grow dramatically. Already, I've seen many people express interest a version of the AVP that was more affordable. As ordinary users get their hands on the device and word about the quality of the experience gets out there (assuming, again, that the early reports about the incredible quality of the visual experiences are accurate), I would expect interest to grow quite a bit.
 
Ya sure. Define “sold”. Is 150,000 sitting in BestBuy inventory considered “sold”? I doubt this number is even remotely correct.
 
Not just the base storage. It is also the fact that it has M2 when M3 has been out for months now. If anything makes me want to wait for G2 or G3, it is that.

The pricing is also ridiculous. Normally I would defend Apple, but the pricing on this is indefensible. And this is coming from someone who supports AR/VR and 3D tech. This is why I would never buy a car made by Apple. The pricing would be insane. Thanks, but no thanks.
They probably produced the boards before the M3 was ready- but don't you think it's possible the G2 will have the M3 when the M4 is out, and the G3 will have the M4 when the M5 is out?
 
Ya sure. Define “sold”. Is 150,000 sitting in BestBuy inventory considered “sold”? I doubt this number is even remotely correct.
What basis do you have for doubting it? Because you don’t like or want the product or do you have a better knowledge about the product than Kuo?
 
Yes, that's a very popular question. Let's put it to just those 3 products too. What does each do that cannot be accomplished on the others? Mac is the most capable/flexible of the 3. Install a VOIP app on Mac and it becomes a telephone and is already a texting device. Many of the most used iDevice apps are native on Mac. Those that are not could be run in the iDevice emulator on Mac for developers. So why bother with iPad or iPhone when Mac can accomplish what they offer?

Answers to THIS question becomes the seeds to start rationalizing Vpro. For example, iPhone is much more portable than Mac- even MB. You can keep it in your pocket. OK, Vpro is much more portable than trying to bring your TV or big desktop screen on the plane/trip and use it there.

When we set the bar at a level that it must do something entirely different than mainstream flexible devices like Macs and iPhones, we can rule out all other creations... and we can rule out iPhone between those two with some software installs on Mac and some buds.

As hard as our minds work to not imagine any space FOR Vpro, consider the challenge in taking the OTHER side and seeing what we can imagine. Actually try implementing the tagline: "think different:" here's what I think about Vpro now. Now let me try thinking differently about it.

This is a device that can show our eyes ANYTHING and it look as real as actual reality... not just in a small rectangle in our hand or on our laps but for our ENTIRE range of vision. What could be done with that, not possible- or as rich- looking through a little window in the other 3? If we "think different" with the same passionate imagination we expend to project NO rationalization for Vpro, we will find rationalization.

Classic story that might resonate: 2 shoe salespeople are dispatched to the most remote jungles of Africa in search of new markets for a company's shoes:
  • Salesperson #1 reports back: "There is ZERO opportunity here! Nobody wears shoes."
  • Salesperson #2 reports back: "Incredible opportunity here! Nobody has any shoes."
Even a minor change in perspective can make the very same situation seem extraordinarily different.
Good points. This reminds me of the iPad introduction where a lot of the same people, (just about 14 years older now but not any more mature) whined on and on about what the device couldn't do, while not stopping to appreciate what it could.
 
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