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Unless the dude is the Apple accounting department…..I doubt any speculation. One the plus side…there are only 180,000 idiots in the world lol.
You doubt any speculation? Except yours. I’d speculate, based on yours that there are 180,001
 
So you came here just to hate on the AVP… right. Maybe 180,001?

maybe 179, 999?


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Calling someone a Luddite because they are happy with iOS is not nice, or fair. It’s bordering on a personal attack. And you wanna talk Copy/Paste? Where the Apple ecosystem smashes it over Android is when I can copy a URL or anything for that matter, on one device and immediately paste it into another. Do that with your Android!

And so what that Apple has features that were first on Android. If they were developed completely Independent, Android would never have been made. Have you seen the latest Samsung phone? It’s unashamedly an iPhone 15 Pro rip off.

So it's fair for them to tell legitimate iOS users not to want Android features and just get an Android phone? Sorry, doesn't work both ways. And, countersmash, yes I actually can copy paste from my Android phone directly to my Windows device thank you. I will say apologies for my wording of luddite as uncalled for.

FYI I'm not here to say one OS copied the other one because frankly they BOTH copied from each other and it's inane to argue that either way because who cares? My only point was there isn't anything wrong with iOS users wanting Android features, and many features, again BOTH ways, were incorporated this way. That's why competition is great, the users end up benefiting.
 
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Good points. This reminds me of the iPad introduction where a lot of the same people, (just about 14 years older now but not any more mature) whined on and on about what the device couldn't do, while not stopping to appreciate what it could.

As a very heavy user of Microsoft's Windows tablets back then I couldn't wait for the iPad to be released because Windows tablets were so clunky. I feel the iPad did take a huge step back in functionality, but it's important to know your market and the iPad is the best selling tablet out of all today's tablets. I happily used iPads until Microsoft improved tablets with the surface lineup and leapfrogged the iPad for my uses, but if it weren't for the iPad the Surface Pro would never have existed.

I'm trying to see the VP in that same frame of mind, but it's at the other end of the spectrum. The iPad simplified things and made tablets much more accessible to everyday users. The VP seems to be the cadillac of VR headsets, where I was hoping that iPad strategy would have had them release a more accessible headset, but maybe that will come with the consumer version.
 
Enjoy your copy/paste and widgets! I don't get this take, why can't iPhone users like an Android feature and desire it in their iPhone? With this luddite view you would be stuck without a lot of great features iOS has added over the years.
Whoosh that went right over your head. Some people here want iOS to be so close to Android that it's basically Android with iMessages. Instead of constantly pining for major changes how about you just switch and get it over with.
 
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You doubt any speculation? Except yours. I’d speculate, based on yours that there are 180,001
I love how the Apple indoctrination squad will defend any criticism to the death. I’m sure Tim Cook would defend you….ya probably not. I hope you enjoy looking like a tool with your Apple Dystopia Vista Visor.
 
Yeah that's an iPhone though, not a $3600 headset, and wasn't an iteration of an already highly competitive and understood market.

Level the playing field and compare it to first generation releases from Apple and competitors, that's really the only fair metric to compare against just now.

Maybe, then you have the iPhone and iPad and AppleWatch, all had their issues at launch, although only Apple thought selling a watch made on a Chinese production line that would be obsolete the next year for 12,000 was a good idea! I do t have faith in this market, mobiles existed for years before Apple entered, it was already a mature mass market, smart watches were around and probably the closest thing to the Vision Pro market, the iPad well their were already tablets out then, but now they dominate that market and handicap the hoard with software restrictions despite its power. I just see them doing the same thing with Vision Pro. VR and AR has never taken off, 3500 headset won’t change that, it remains to be seen if it opens any kind of market up,
 
Yet people have always bought huge TVs and home theaters on credit.

Looking forward to your goalpost moving.
Last I checked you can buy those devices for far far far less then 3500 no credit required so no moving of goalposts required. Plus they serve multiple purposes like for games consoles, can’t see you plugging a PS5 into the Vision Pro, and the entire family can enjoy them at the same time, rather then look at OLED weird freaky interpretations of your eyes on the front of your headset.
 
As a very heavy user of Microsoft's Windows tablets back then I couldn't wait for the iPad to be released because Windows tablets were so clunky. I feel the iPad did take a huge step back in functionality, but it's important to know your market and the iPad is the best selling tablet out of all today's tablets. I happily used iPads until Microsoft improved tablets with the surface lineup and leapfrogged the iPad for my uses, but if it weren't for the iPad the Surface Pro would never have existed.

I'm trying to see the VP in that same frame of mind, but it's at the other end of the spectrum. The iPad simplified things and made tablets much more accessible to everyday users. The VP seems to be the cadillac of VR headsets, where I was hoping that iPad strategy would have had them release a more accessible headset, but maybe that will come with the consumer version.
Do you mean accessible price-wise? Because I find that the device itself looks pretty user-friendly, as is common with Apple products.
 
Last I checked you can buy those devices for far far far less then 3500 no credit required so no moving of goalposts required. Plus they serve multiple purposes like for games consoles, can’t see you plugging a PS5 into the Vision Pro, and the entire family can enjoy them at the same time, rather then look at OLED weird freaky interpretations of your eyes on the front of your headset.
Some are cheap and some are expensive; just like with VR headsets.

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Are they even projected to manufacture two million units in the first year? This is a complicated product and they are still streamlining the manufacturing process. As manufacturing gets easier, the device is refined, and the price point becomes accessible to more people, I think we'll see that this product line will be a massive game changer. This is, after all, only the first step in a very long process. Remember that the Apple Watch was called a "flop" in its first year, selling only 25% of what initial projections were calling for. I don't think anyone would call it a flop now.
There are no projections, but if Apple is trying to create another revenue stream to grow the business, I’d say 2 million is the bare minimum… if not in sales, then pre-orders. Heck, if Tesla can get 2.5 million preorders for a $61,000 - $100,000 product, and Apple can’t even get 2 million preorders for a $3,500 - $4,000 product, that would be an embarrassment.

Also, you can’t assume Apple will find a use case for VP to make it go mainstream. In the case of AW, the form factor was proven for centuries and Fitbit already showed that there was strong demand for wearables focused on health whereas Meta after a decade still hasn’t found a use case for MQ.
 
If you believe rumors about key component supply volume, they can't make more than about 400K units this year for ANY price. Up them to $10K per unit and the max possible is- apparently- 400K units. Up them to $50K per and the max number is still- apparently- 400K units.

It is not a sales problem- and certainly not a relative sales problem- but simply a manufacturing one... unless key suppliers can overcome heavily rumored obstacles to successfully making many more key parts.

Like that first iPhone, the ramp up potential apparently comes in subsequent years... if demand is such that more suppliers need to be sourced to add to the quantities of key parts able to made from the "as is" manufacturers.

I believe one key supplier with a hard limitation is Sony (making the 4K lenses). Conceptually, I would guess that Apple could turn to LG, Samsung and others to also make the same part too to get the numbers up... but that will take time to actually work it out and do it. Based on rumors, 2024 is scarce supply no matter what (a dream scenario for scalpers). 2025+ is where the potential for bigger volume may be unlocked.
I don’t believe supply chain rumors, but even if it were true, I would say demand will be the most important gauge. Not being able to produce enough is a good problem. But if Apple can’t even get 2 million preorders in the first year, I’d say that doesn’t bode well. These things will need to sell like hotcakes to move the revenue needle.
 
I never said there were no flops, I was just pointing out that every single product Apple has ever released was met with derision and derogatory sarcasm on forums like MacRumors. “This is DOA:No one will buy this: Pull it before your reputation is ruined.

There’s something about the company that attracts hate and derision.
past performance not indicative of future results.
 
Kuo said they were likely to sell 17,000,000 in 2023. I don’t know what the actual numbers were. That works out about 50,000 per day if it’s true.
Plus the rev generated on a MacBook is probably way higher than this device. There’s so much R&D, capital, components baked into this thing. It’s not going to be anywhere near the money maker the iphone and MacBook are.
 
Plus the rev generated on a MacBook is probably way higher than this device. There’s so much R&D, capital, components baked into this thing. It’s not going to be anywhere near the money maker the iphone and MacBook are.
I can’t answer that. So, thanks for the heads up. Maybe let Cook know before it’s too late?
 
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