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Kuo: Apple Has Already Sold Up to 180,000 Vision Pro Headsets
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Correct. You can see this release as just level two of the R&D process, not final or determinant at all. That's because it's an utterly new tech and apps are yet to be developed. No one knows where this will go, who will use it, application in industry?
Stop comparing it to the iPhone. That's a made-up metric by haters. Of course this won't sell in the numbers that the iphone sells. If every product in the world could only be considered a success if it sells as many as the iPhone, nearly every product in the world would be considered a failure.
It took Apple 74 days to sell 1 million iPhones. Suspect that day one sales for the iPhone would be around the same amount as Apple Vision Pro.
I'd rather tweeze my nether region while listening to Ed Sheeran greatest hits before listening to her.
Graphics are great but the plot is a bit boring so far. That's my experience anyway 😂
You complain about how Apple treats developers but turn around and pay handsomely to become one lol. Maybe it’s not as bad as you complain about.
And, as for the Second Wave (in-store demos)...
Let's say Apple is able to demo 8 headsets per hour per store. 10 hour work day. 273 Apple Stores in the US.
Let's say 25% of demos lead to a sale.
That would be another 160,000 sold in 30 days.
And again, that's just in the US. Which leads to my third wave, worldwide repeat of wave one, and then a world wide repeat of wave two.
Hmm I think I will open an kidney reseller store soon and buy an AVP from the profits 🤔
Eh, that's not a terrible argument but software dev income is generally pretty good as it is and there is a valid point in that Apple hasn't exactly done itself many favours in trying to convince developers to get onboard given their history. A lot of their positive changes in the App Store have either been efforts to deflect anti trust cases or to push the illusion that they treat everyone fairly (e.g. the content reader rule)
Meta wishes they sold 290m in Q1 2023.
At least be accurate, but thats what you get when relying on others for your talking points.
LOL
i'm waiting for the next model. i'll let other people cough up the money until prices become reasonable, the tech improves, and it has some software updates.
i'd like one but can't justify that kind of money for a new unproven product. i could afford to buy one but i dont like throwing money away.
i'd like one but can't justify that kind of money for a new unproven product. i could afford to buy one but i dont like throwing money away.
Hmm using credit to purchase nothing more than currently a giant screen for coolness and entertainment value, never a good thing....
How long have you had your VP? You are basing your review on firsthand experience, right?
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No. I am saying Apple needs to consider how important developers are and start rewarding other people than just the shareholders. The only way to make it big off AAPL is to own shares. Everyone else except shareholders and executives lose when it comes to AAPL. That’s what Cook needs to change.
I bought Vision Pro for the potential. I hope it’s there. I hope it builds on the future. Meta and the other companies haven’t had much success, but I believe Apple could if they did a few things better. If they want developers to develop for Vision Pro they should give developers discounts on them.
I personally don’t care about the money to buy a Vision Pro. I am fortunate, but it will be better when Apple can lower the price and make it a mass market product. Then Netflix and lots of other apps will be available. A lot of people are making it out to be all the apps that aren’t available. And that’s a resource thing when it comes to big companies. They need to see how many people will actually buy the Vision Pro. Smaller developers could make it big as it’s a new opportunity. But that’s a big if this product works well and Apple can actually scale it out and reduce the price annually. Something AAPL doesn’t usually do. As AAPL only cares about shareholders and executives. So we need to see changes for Tim Cook’s AAPL to really be a leader in tech that people look up to. Not talking about fans. I am talking about doing right by developers, customers and most importantly employees.
In 5 years, the EU will force Apple to open the Vision Pro up to more developers complaining they are locked out of the walled garden yet again! 🤣
Apple sold millions of both iterations of the iPhone Mini but scrapped it considering it a failure in sales terms.
Lmao
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Yet people have always bought huge TVs and home theaters on credit.
Looking forward to your goalpost moving.
Yeah that's an iPhone though, not a $3600 headset, and wasn't an iteration of an already highly competitive and understood market.
Level the playing field and compare it to first generation releases from Apple and competitors, that's really the only fair metric to compare against just now.
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No flaw in comparing year 1 sales of this device to year 17 of iPhone?
Perhaps you should look up how many Year 1 iPhone Gen 1s sold? No time for that? OK. Statista says is was 1.4 million units. What was their average selling price? I don't readily find that in a confirmed form online so let's assume $350 (adjust the following math if you find something different). 1.4 million GEN 1 iPhones times $350 = $490M in year 1 revenue. How great was that!!!
Kuo says up to 180K units of Vpro have been sold almost TWO WEEKS BEFORE anyone can even see/touch/try one in person. But since we're a very, very, VERY (did I say very?) pessimistic crowd on Vpro, let's assume that's too optimistic and cut it down to something we believe is probably more likely. 160K? 150K? 140K? Pick a number based on pessimism or "I don't want one, so no one else should either" rationale vs.- oh say- supply chain monitoring in the field... which has established Kuo as a well-respected source of rumors.
Gen 1 iPhone revenue of $490M divided by average selling price of Vpro versions at maybe $3700 = about 133K units for Vpro to yield as much money as Gen 1 iPhone in year one. If Kuo's number is right or a somewhat discounted estimation down to 133K is right, it's ALREADY OUTSOLD all of year 1s iPhone REVENUE in the first few days of a pre-launch weekend with 12 months of additional sales to add to the tally.
A few key considerations:
- To persist the extreme pessimism, it takes significantly discounting the Kuo number because Vpro has not even launched yet. There is an entire YEAR to still add whatever volume of orders may follow.
- we should not forget that Apple is currently limiting sales to only about 5% of the Earth's population. Are there zero buyers for it among the other 95% of prospective buyers in the world? I know, pessimists will passionately argue that no-one internationally wants it... just as they argued that no-one domestically would buy it. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ___
- there is almost certainly a group of "objectively undecideds" and "leaning positives" who want to see and try one in person before deciding to buy or not buy... and that is awaiting at least Feb 2. I'm one of the latter, wallet ready, but I want to confirm the experience with my own eyes before choosing to buy or not buy. At this rate- if true- I hope there is some units to be able to buy on Feb 2 or so. The rumor was that the initial batch available was only 80K units... and the MAX Apple could possibly make in all of 2024 was up to 300K-400K units.
Personally, I would doubt it will probably ever sell as well as year 17 iPhone... but it seems highly likely it is going to make more money- that thing modern Apple cares about more than all other things- than Gen 1 iPhone after accumulating whatever revenue it will make by this time in 2025. Who knows how popular this kind of product will sell after it gets 17 years to evolve, refine, improve, etc.
If we want to measure vs. iPhone volumes, 500K units Per Day will be a year 2041 challenge. If we make every brand new thing have to sell better- in GEN 1- than modern, refined iPhone, there is probably never going to be anything deemed a "success" ever again from Apple- no Mac, no iPad, no Watch, no Monitor, no Car, etc. It's ALL DOA if the standard is to go from brand new introduction to immediately better than 500K units per day.
But perhaps an 'Apples to Apples' comparison like this one may make more sense for those not already 110% committed to digging graves sight unseen, before even 1 consumer can check the body for any life? I look forward to trying one in person and seeing what it can do myself... with my own eyes... instead of leaning on the imaginations & speculations of a very pessimistic segment who seemingly have ZERO interest themselves and are relentlessly committed to trying to make everyone else see it their- and only their- way too. Heaven forbid different people have their own opinions about brand new Apple products.
"Think different" (if you can).
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