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Kuo: Apple Has Already Sold Up to 180,000 Vision Pro Headsets

SmugMaverick said:
This

So many people are going to buy this to just try out, once they get bored and the novelty wears off after looking at dinosaurs and the sky for the hundredth time and with no YouTube or Netflix, it'll be sent right back.
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You know Youtube works in the browser. LMAO!
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ThailandToo said:
Apple Watch was very slow to take off. The iPad before it wasn’t a boom in the launch.

Tim Cook’s ultimate legacy will be does he drive AAPL into the ground by failing to innovate anywhere except this product? His AAPL gave people the MacBook with all the ports they wanted to their detriment. His AAPL failed in R&D to introduce anything new that was a winner. He did it all by taking everything from customers and the future and giving it all to shareholders. This Vision Pro is his chance to show he could create a vision for the future.
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ThailandToo said:
I don’t know whether it’s a major success without developers. And Apple doesn’t care much about its developers - and seems rather tone deaf with developers complaints. If Apple stopped being a bully, started listening to developers, stopped stealing from developers, and stopped stealing IP from small companies, it could be great. It could be bigger by not walling its garden.
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How has apple taken advantage of developers? Apple created the App Developer and the developers have made billions from Apple's ecosystem. Google too, but as most know, developers for iOS make way more money than on other systems. Also the developers make 60-85% of their app's cost, which is similar to EVERYWHERE else, including brick-and-mortar software sales.
 
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Skyscraperfan said:
Apple sells more than 500,000 iPhones on an average day. So 500,000 Vision Pro in the first year is a very small number. It is a lot for such an expensive device, but from a developer's perspective it may not yet be worth developing an app for such a small number of customers. Not only is the number of customers small, but the usage hours per customer are likely also much smaller compared to an iPhone. How many people will use it for more than an hour per day?
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I don't want to shock too many people...but the way developers solve that problem is the apps are EXPENSIVE. The Vision Pro apps will be, and should be, expensive. Because it is a niche device and so there is a smaller market similar to the Mac Pro.
 
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satchmo said:
I can afford this, but don't find it very compelling at all.

But you'd think given the almost decade of development, that Apple would have come up with a more tangible use case for the VisionPro.

Instead, we're expected to hope developers come up with interesting apps in another 5-10 years time?
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Yes! Rome wasn't built in a day.

New tech of this magnitude takes time to mature. VR isn't new, but high fidelity mixed-reality is and I do believe Apple is a pioneer in this field. Give it time and it will mature into an amazing platforms in future years.
 
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tomtad said:
I disagree with this. Your argument seems to be because Apple has launched successful products before then all products they launch will be a success.

You're also omitting products such as Apple TV (today Apple reinvents the TV) which then became a hobby, and the original HomePod which was canned two years after launch and hasn't exactly set the world alight since. I also remember a whole keynote just for the launch of the iPod Hifi.

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What strikes me as different with Vision Pro is how it's marketed and has been fundamentally conceived. All the products you list above, and the classic Apple approach, was to identify a problem and invent a product to provide a solution. Apple always sold the products on what you could do whereas with Vision Pro it seems the other way round. It's a very impressive bit of hardware which isn't really clearly solving anything and is instead looking for a purpose.

I will also say another point of difference is Vision Pro isn't a universal product. There are people who can't use it with certain health conditions, it's heavy, some find it uncomfortable and I can't imagine it works well with make up. You also have to be fitted to it. All of these are barriers for mass adoption.

Personally I see this product going in the hobby direction similar to Apple TV, it will be something that will be supported and continue, and there will be some interesting use cases I'm sure, but it won't see mass adoption for a long time, if ever. Vision Pro to me is Apple's attempt at having something in the market in case this is where the future goes but it seems a response to the whole Metaverse hype there was a few years ago before everyone largely forgot about it.
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I never said there were no flops, I was just pointing out that every single product Apple has ever released was met with derision and derogatory sarcasm on forums like MacRumors. “This is DOA:No one will buy this: Pull it before your reputation is ruined.

There’s something about the company that attracts hate and derision.
 
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Ubuntu said:
I can't figure out the strong hatred here though, I guess people want a decent option from Apple but are disgusted by the pricing. I get that, especially when the hefty price tag is for the base storage etc.
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Not just the base storage. It is also the fact that it has M2 when M3 has been out for months now. If anything makes me want to wait for G2 or G3, it is that.

The pricing is also ridiculous. Normally I would defend Apple, but the pricing on this is indefensible. And this is coming from someone who supports AR/VR and 3D tech. This is why I would never buy a car made by Apple. The pricing would be insane. Thanks, but no thanks.
 
desslr said:
500k estimated to be sold this year vs the 20 million Oculus headsets sold in Q1 2023.

Like I said dead on arrival.

There is no interest beyond the fanboys specified by Kuo. Zero developer interest especially to cater for 500k.

And that’s me giving Kuo benefit of the doubt it will reach 500k.

Hold me to account in 2 years time but not looking good for you so far! 😂
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This isn't too far from calling the developer preview Apple Silicon Mac "dead on arrival". It's not intended to sell in huge numbers and be a significant part of their business in the short term. "Zero developer interest"? There will be smart developers wanting to get in on the ground floor of a new platform, as there always are.

This is meant to be an early adopter / developer device to give people early access to the technology. Which is one reason it's so expensive.
 
Anyone thinking of returning, please don't return to Apple after your have tried it. Like others have pointed out if you have earned CC points then you will lose them if you return to Apple. Instead, sell on eBay. It is already fetching twice the price on eBay. Can't beat the math!
 
Right now the issue I see is the use case for the Vision Pro is not clearly understood. Setting aside the cumbersome nature of wearing the device which has to be attached to a battery via a cable to use, what does this do that cannot be accomplished with a Mac, iPad or iPhone?

I get the entertainment aspect and 3D capabilities, but what else? Maybe as app developers get up to speed, the innovative use cases will become more apparent. For now though, the price tag of a 1st gen novelty product is not justified for the vast majority of people combined with the fact that you need to wear this thing on your head and is not nearly as practical or portable as an iPhone or iPad.
 
I just don't see what good this does for the consumer market. Nothing. You can't clone this, as it would be a joke.

I just want something for me non-gamer, regular Joe on a budget, etc. Something light weight (very light weight in comparison to this). I'd pay a couple grand for that. I'd pay and line up at the ****** store like people used to.

Thanks.
 
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The first two weeks of every product release/update: The internet picking it apart, and media looking for stories of how it will fail. I can't wait to read the Verge article on how the digital crown can dent if you hit it with a hammer.
 
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MrENGLISH said:
Not just the base storage. It is also the fact that it has M2 when M3 has been out for months now. If anything makes me want to wait for G2 or G3, it is that.

The pricing is also ridiculous. Normally I would defend Apple, but the pricing on this is indefensible. And this is coming from someone who supports AR/VR and 3D tech. This is why I would never buy a car made by Apple. The pricing would be insane. Thanks, but no thanks.
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So when you get one, it will have an M4, while there are M5 Macs…
 
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Polinsky said:
That's what haters do. Complain before they even see it or try it. Look at all the people who are complaining about the weight who haven't tried it on.
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Some of the People Apple invited to try it have actually talked about how heavy it is and the discomfort they experienced, and that is a genuine reason for concern to potential buyers. It isn't just some made up reason to hate on the product.
 
lkrupp said:
So much hate, praying on knees for failure, concoction of theories for reduced future sales, immediate disbelief of reports. Selling of 180,00 units simply cannot be true and must be Apple propaganda and a lie. The entire tech blog universe is up in arms.

Wait. Where have we heard this before? Oh, right...

Macintosh
iPod (only 1000 songs?)
iPad (remember the feminine napkin jokes)
iPhone (doesn’t have keyboard so not a good business phone)
Apple Watch (will fail in a mature watch market, doesn’t have a chance)

And remember that crusty old curmudgeon John C Dvorak chastising Apple for that useless gadget called a mouse and urging them to cease development of something no one wanted?

And so it goes. How long until Vision Pro knockoffs are shipping out the backdoors of Chinese factories?
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I keep seeing these weird revisionist takes on how people look at Apple's previous efforts and it's ridiculous.

Macintosh was actually very well hyped and anticipated, its problems were lack of apps and a steep cost, along with what some would have said was a misguided realignment of the company at the time. It also was something pretty new to the market

iPod no one said "Only 1000 songs?" what? The head scratcher for many at the time was Apple not even 3 years before killed off nearly all their products, and was introducing a non-computer product. Also it was solving a problem in the relatively new MP3 market and a little under a year later with the iTunes Store took off. Once again, all of that was new.

iPhone- people may have said that to begin with but there was faaaar more hype and positive press than negative, and once again a totally new thing. Also was nicknamed "Jesus phone" before it was released.

iPad- People definitely poked fun at the name, called it a "big iPod touch" but also considerable more hype around it, especially because it was priced much lower than analyst predicted.

Apple Watch- No one ever said it was going to fail in a mature market. It did however have a slower start than I think even Apple imagined and never took off or evolved into something else like Apple probably thought.
 
Antoniosmalakia said:
Some of the People Apple invited to try it have actually talked about how heavy it is and the discomfort they experienced, and that is a genuine reason for concern to potential buyers. It isn't just some made up reason to hate on the product.
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But it is a personal experience. I’ve never worn a pair of Airpods Max, but I’ve read here that eeeveryone think they are too heavy. I have other headphones, though, heavier than those, and personally it doesn’t bother me one bit.
 
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That's great. Some of my friends who live overseas went ahead and preordered (with somebody else U.S. address).
 
Mrkevinfinnerty said:
They don't.

It's very weird to think trillion dollar Apple get into any business to sell a few hundred thousand units.

It will be years before anybody can credibly call this a success or failure.
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We're in agreement that the HomePod is a total failure, right? They sold somewhere in the range of 1-3M of those in the first year. So only selling 1/10th as many is far below the benchmark for being a failure.
 
Polinsky said:
That's what haters do. Complain before they even see it or try it. Look at all the people who are complaining about the weight who haven't tried it on.
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As me and a few others have mentioned before, hands-on from some journalist has indicated motion sickness, and the weight being a thing.
 
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