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Kuo: Apple Has Already Sold Up to 180,000 Vision Pro Headsets

lkrupp said:
I never said there were no flops, I was just pointing out that every single product Apple has ever released was met with derision and derogatory sarcasm on forums like MacRumors. “This is DOA:No one will buy this: Pull it before your reputation is ruined.

There’s something about the company that attracts hate and derision.
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To be fair, there's just as many fan boys and Apple apologists who get giddy over everything Apple releases.
Of course, there's also trolls who just have nothing better to do.

Regardless, this is bound to happen in an open forum. For the most part, it's healthy, to have civil discussion and differing opinions.
 
icemantx said:
Right now the issue I see is the use case for the Vision Pro is not clearly understood. Setting aside the cumbersome nature of wearing the device which has to be attached to a battery via a cable to use, what does this do that cannot be accomplished with a Mac, iPad or iPhone?
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Yes, that's a very popular question. Let's put it to just those 3 products too. What does each do that cannot be accomplished on the others? Mac is the most capable/flexible of the 3. Install a VOIP app on Mac and it becomes a telephone and is already a texting device. Many of the most used iDevice apps are native on Mac. Those that are not could be run in the iDevice emulator on Mac for developers. So why bother with iPad or iPhone when Mac can accomplish what they offer?

Answers to THIS question becomes the seeds to start rationalizing Vpro. For example, iPhone is much more portable than Mac- even MB. You can keep it in your pocket. OK, Vpro is much more portable than trying to bring your TV or big desktop screen on the plane/trip and use it there.

When we set the bar at a level that it must do something entirely different than mainstream flexible devices like Macs and iPhones, we can rule out all other creations... and we can rule out iPhone between those two with some software installs on Mac and some buds.

As hard as our minds work to not imagine any space FOR Vpro, consider the challenge in taking the OTHER side and seeing what we can imagine. Actually try implementing the tagline: "think different:" here's what I think about Vpro now. Now let me try thinking differently about it.

This is a device that can show our eyes ANYTHING and it look as real as actual reality... not just in a small rectangle in our hand or on our laps but for our ENTIRE range of vision. What could be done with that, not possible- or as rich- looking through a little window in the other 3? If we "think different" with the same passionate imagination we expend to project NO rationalization for Vpro, we will find rationalization.

Classic story that might resonate: 2 shoe salespeople are dispatched to the most remote jungles of Africa in search of new markets for a company's shoes:
  • Salesperson #1 reports back: "There is ZERO opportunity here! Nobody wears shoes."
  • Salesperson #2 reports back: "Incredible opportunity here! Nobody has any shoes."
Even a minor change in perspective can make the very same situation seem extraordinarily different.
 
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satchmo said:
To be fair, there's just as many fan boys and Apple apologists who get giddy over everything Apple releases.
Of course, there's also trolls who just have nothing better to do.

Regardless, this is bound to happen in an open forum. For the most part, it's healthy, to have civil discussion and differing opinions.
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The biggest problem with these “civil discussions“ on forums like this, is that everyone treat their options as facts.
 
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arkitect said:
A large number are funding this by credit.
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jo-1 said:
I bought many MACs with 0 % financing
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Actually credit, using the Apple Card, is the way to go even if you can afford buying it outright.

1. 0% financing for 12 months. If you put the money in a savings or investment account you could be making 5% or more on it as you draw it down, possibly more with other investment opportunites. Maybe $125 or more if you are lucky in the markets in extra income.

2. 3% cash back gives you even more savings, ~$150 for a fully configured model.

Using the Apple Card might save you almost $300.

ArtOfWarfare said:
We're in agreement that the HomePod is a total failure, right?
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No. Bringing back the original HomePod demonstrates that Apple doesn't consider it a failure.
 
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SmugMaverick said:
This

So many people are going to buy this to just try out, once they get bored and the novelty wears off after looking at dinosaurs and the sky for the hundredth time and with no YouTube or Netflix, it'll be sent right back.
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You obviously have a good understanding of what the AVP is all about...NOT! How very sad to see how the minds of the haters function.
 
SpringKid said:
But it is a personal experience. I’ve never worn a pair of Airpods Max, but I’ve read here that eeeveryone think they are too heavy. I have other headphones, though, heavier than those, and personally it doesn’t bother me one bit.
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The whole point of the reviews is to create discussion and to help figure out if a product might work for you. Would you rather reviewers censor their experience and not mention the weight or discomfort?

I think that would be rather disingenuous for them not to!
 
aidler said:
It’s so far neither a failure nor a success. It’s too early to come to any conclusions, and even 500k devices in the first year are still a relatively small number.
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500,000 devices would make it a multi-billion dollar item. That's a success for any product in any business at any time. We shall see.
 
AdonisSMU said:
Have you seen the apps on Vision Pro to verify that it’s just “iPad apps”. Word and Zoom and some of these other apps that will be available day 1 are superior to the Desktop and iPad versions.
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You're missing the overarching point that developers can port their existing iPad apps to native visionOS apps as-is. If developers want to take the steps to further enhance the experience unique to visionOS then they can absolutely do so.

And yes, the demo Apple showed at the Vision Pro preview shows Word and Excel have the exact same interface as the iPad version of the app, strongly implying they're derivatives of that app and not the desktop versions. As someone who lives in Excel for his day job I don't find that to be in any way superior to the desktop version. I hope Microsoft does in fact have something better in store for the app when it launches that we haven't seen yet.

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farmboy said:
500,000 devices would make it a multi-billion dollar item. That's a success for any product in any business at any time. We shall see.
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Id say the more of the first gen product they can sell, the better it is for those who will buy a 2nd or 3rd gen device.... as more feedback and testing will have been done in the "wild".

The more the better... and Im 100% not buying a first gen.
 
MacRumors said:


Apple sold between 160,000 and 180,000 Vision Pro headsets during its first pre-order weekend, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

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In a new post on Medium, Kuo said that the headset sold out soon after the pre-order process opened, with shipping times for all models slipping by five to seven weeks. While the instant sell-out and extended shipping times appear to be positive at first glance, Kuo cautioned that shipping dates remain unchanged 48 hours after pre-orders opened, indicating that demand may be quickly tapering off after core enthusiasts placed their orders.

For comparison, new iPhone models similarly sell out soon after pre-orders open, but they usually continue to see a steady increase in shipping dates in the following days, indicating ongoing demand. Kuo believes that shipping 500,000 Vision Pro units this year "should not be challenging," but demand is a key question as "Vision Pro is still a very niche product."

Article Link: Kuo: Apple Has Already Sold Up to 180,000 Vision Pro Headsets
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Who knew we had 179,900 tech YouTubers?
 
Antoniosmalakia said:
The whole point of the reviews is to create discussion and to help figure out if a product might work for you. Would you rather reviewers censor their experience and not mention the weight or discomfort?

I think that would be rather disingenuous for them not to!
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No, what I’m saying is that one experience from a reviewer might not be a problem for everyone else.
 
steve09090 said:
Apparently "dead on arrival". Lolol 😂

Even if he is 50% wrong, it’s still a massive success.
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lol do we need to explain this is initial sales. Certainly not sustainable as kuo has projected.

I believe a fair assessment would be comparing this to the AirPod max.

They sold initially well but became a niche product.

When you see someone wearing an airpod max you go - oh yah they still make that product.

That’s the Apple Vision Pro.
 
TJ82 said:
How many returns from motion sickness I wonder? This really needs solved and I'm not seeing much mention of it.
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It’s apparently not an issue with Vision Pro due to a much higher refresh rate. iJustine and a few others who get sick from other headsets had mentioned they have no motion sickness with VP.
 
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chrono1081 said:
It’s apparently not an issue with Vision Pro due to a much higher refresh rate. iJustine and a few others who get sick from other headsets had mentioned they have no motion sickness with VP.
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I would imagine that pass through also make it way less likely to get sick, as usually it’s the disconnect from the real world that does it with “proper” VR.
 
Wait until people get over the “wow!” And “cool!” Factor then just go back to their old devices. It happens all the time these days. People are tech fatigued.
 
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desslr said:
500k estimated to be sold this year vs the 20 million Oculus headsets sold in Q1 2023.

Like I said dead on arrival.

There is no interest beyond the fanboys specified by Kuo. Zero developer interest especially to cater for 500k.

And that’s me giving Kuo benefit of the doubt it will reach 500k.

Hold me to account in 2 years time but not looking good for you so far! 😂
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What? Your priors are blinding you.
So far it's looking fine. They are selling what they are making. You may be right long term, but your pessimism and concerns are not the future. Based on what we see right now it's looking fine.

20 million Oculus to play beat saber...Apple doesn't care about that. They have a different idea about the device. They might be wrong but the goals are different.

Developers might want to cater to people who actually buy and use products. AND if this turns about being viable there will be developer interest. But right now...it's looking fine.
 
Born Again said:
lol do we need to explain this is initial sales. Certainly not sustainable as kuo has projected.

I believe a fair assessment would be comparing this to the AirPod max.

They sold initially well but became a niche product.

When you see someone wearing an airpod max you go - oh yah they still make that product.

That’s the Apple Vision Pro.
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I believe Apple has always intended this to be a niche device, at least initially. Hence why they didnt make too many. Higher profit margins but less volume.

Also I see airpods max everywhere.
 
Born Again said:
I’m looking forward to the bubbly iJustine video practically having an orgasm as she opens up Apple products.

I’m not exaggerating. This is her shtick and she’s good at it!!!
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Haha very true. It is what it is. At least she’s entertaining
 
Born Again said:
I’m looking forward to the bubbly iJustine video practically having an orgasm as she opens up Apple products.

I’m not exaggerating. This is her shtick and she’s good at it!!!
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She knows her audience I'll give her that.

I must admit though I'm curious to see the packaging, apparently it's a pretty big box
 
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