Kuo: Apple to Launch Apple Car in 2023 to 2025

[Joe The Dragon]

liability would be standard just as how it is now. if you own the car, you'll be liable because you activated the self driving vehicle. if you're running a service like Uber and own the car, you'll be liable as a company. of course you'll have car insurance. only difference is, car insurance premiums would go down because car accidents would go down

self driving laws will likely be finalized before 2025. possibly 2021 we'll see a draft, and 2022 we'll get a final version.

So ordering an self driving uber makes you face criminal liability if the software f* ups and kills someone?
Even if you own the car and the software is buggy?
and it's said to be you need to ready to take over right away (more unsafe then full manual)?

But it can make for an good movie where the end user end ups doing hard time for an self driving car mess ups and due to EULA the you are stuck with all liability and you can't even get the source code or read out full logs from your car.

 

[SactoGuy18]

I don't think Apple will build its own car per se. A far more likely scenario is an automobile from a major manufacturer that uses Apple's autonomous technologies.

 

[Plutonius]

Based on recent software releases, would anyone here trust their lives to a version 1 of the car ?

 

[Baymowe335]

Elon is too busy doing stuff that actually matters to most humans. Tim just sells a helpful, but not necessary piece of technology and touts how much they’re changing lives with emojis.

My point is, nothing wrong with what Apple is doing but my goodness, you’d think they’re curing cancer with all their marketing speak. Plenty of other companies that are doing way more important things to help the human kind.
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False. Apparently you didn’t pay attention to their most recent quarter. It pays to stay up on the stuff that you’re trying to make a claim about.

They lost $742M, biggest loss ever. You long? I’d be scared too.

Tesla isn’t doing anything magical or even proprietary. Again, every other car manufacturer with more brand loyalty can match or beat Tesla at their game.

There are legions of faithful BMW customers for example. It’s not like Tesla is a household name. They have immense competition.

Apple is absolutely dominating their industry and the word. Tesla can’t make money, which is the goal in the end.

Tesla will be bankrupt if they fail to do that. Investors don’t care about humanity. They care about earnings.

 

[Baymowe335]

It's becoming quite apparent that you don't know much about Teslas. When I say "park itself" I mean it will valet itself and then come pick you when you're ready to go. As in drop you off, go park somewhere, come back and get you.

Anyway... they are pretty revolutionary. Yes, there are issues with the battery than even the manufacturing and disposal process are way more environmentally sound than burning fossil fuel. Self driving function is insanely great. They are revolutionary and yet... as you said, still no profit.

Apple -- a phone company -- will do better?

Yes, they will. The feature you mention is a gimmick with far more limitations than you mention. It’s also not proprietary.

Even if your car being your personal driver were a thing, the battery, charging, reliability, cost and manufacturing issues far outweighs any small tech benefits. Tesla needs to make money and sell way more cars to make a dent. Their entire valuation is a story told by a brilliant man.

 

[farmboy]

Based on recent software releases, would anyone here trust their lives to a version 1 of the car ?

Yes.

I have never had any of the software issues some people seem to be stricken with, with either OS X or iOS, going all the way back. Microsoft Office yes indeed. Apple, never. Plenty of things I didn’t like, some I still don’t, but nothing that interfered with work or didn’t disappear after a restart.

Other than a few drives, mice and keyboards that failed (since 1985), no hardware issues either.

 

[neutralguy]

A company that can't build a laptop correct anymore, a company that pulls a software off because of performance issue, is going to build a car in next 5 years? Car is not like a laptop. Plus has Kuo seen what Tesla is going through? Unless apple wants to be like made-to-order car company!

 

[az431]

We're due for a major market correction that will put us in a very deep recession if not depression. Things are already slowing down and people are tapped out, I doubt Apple or any new car company will emerge, its all just talk. Tesla is close to bankruptcy already and might not make it till end of the year the way things are going, unless Apple wants to buy them.

Yes, the economy is cyclical. That’s like predicting that a person will grow old or that the sun will rise tomorrow.

And as to your so called facts, no, Tesla is not anywhere “close to bankruptcy” and there is no evidence that things are “slowing down.”

 

[gavroche]

Elon might start making phones and show Tim what a real ceo can do...

He has been in the news a lot lately, amd sadly it hasnt been to demonstrate being a good ceo.

 

[haganah]

I just don't understand what the potential for AR is. I am not saying it's not there, just that I don't easily grasp it. I know Magic Leap is also coming out with something, there were the Google glasses, supposedly Chinese police have special glasses, etc. but I can't see it for myself.

In the future, would I walk around with special glasses on that pull up my calendar if needed or show names next to people I see through them?

Will I only put the glasses on to play a game?

 

[dontwalkhand]

They’re saving that to be integrated into the dash of the Apple Car which will control car functions as part of the head unit.

There’s already Windows equivalents on city buses. See Clever Devices IVN4 (WES7) or Conduent IVU (Windows 10). They control everything down to engine and transmission and even the automated announcements you hear. If they can trust Windows for this, Apple should be fine

Phoenix’s Valley Metro even uses something called secure bus access, which means the bus won’t move until Windows is fully up, the system is logged on, and the driver’s ID is verified. Once the driver leaves the seat it leaves the engine running, but does not allow the transmission to shift until he re-logs in (they can just tap a smart card on the same smart card reader on the farebox that’s used for passes, the farebox is on the same J1908 VAN). I’ve worked with buses many times before, all of this is possible because of J1708 and J1908...a more advanced bus version of CAN.

Something tells me Apple can build on top of this technology for a vehicle and no need for what we have in consumer cars now.

There is a failsafe on buses, if the onboard PC crashes for any reason, it leaves the bus intact until it’s shut off. But good luck restarting it without repair. It’d has to be towed at that point.

Wow I’m off topic but what I’m getting at is OS X can run on a vehicle fine if Windows does.

 

[GaryMumford]

Where do I sign up for the appleCar public beta?

Oh wait, maybe not... I can see the headline now. “Apple pulls breaking system from carOS pb7. Apple says this feature will be released at a later date!!”

 

[zantafio]

Does Apple really want to get all the liabilities that come with being a car manufacturer?

 

[macpeach55]

supposedly Chinese police have special glasses, etc. but I can't see it for myself.

I "see" what you did there!

 

[Abazigal]

Autonomous ride-sharing makes more sense, rather than selling cars. A lot of things can change in the next decade, and people may not even want / need to own cars by then.

I suspect that a lot of the jibes here about the Apple car being glued shut will end up aging fairly poorly. What does it matter when you are not the one owning the Apple car?

 

[StevieD100]

Apple Car with dealer only service. any non dealer stuff will lock the car into an limited limp mode
With oil changes at each 3000-5000 mile at $129 a pop. if you hit 6500 miles without one (dealer only code needed to reset counter) then limp mode
Need new tires that will be $299 each
Need to replace lights that will be $99-$249 each

Doh! The car will be electric. And a lot of the rest of the world has 12,000mile/12 month service intervals and have had for 20+ years.
I was listening to an old Rock Album last night. I think you are somewhat 'Living in the Past'.

 

[acorntoy]

Elon might start making phones and show Tim what a real ceo can do...

“Introducing the new budget iPhone! Colors are a $50 option”

a car that self drives will not be something you own. it'll be a service.

I disagree. I want a car that drives itself in traffic and then let’s me drive when I want.

They lost $742M, biggest loss ever. You long? I’d be scared too.

Tesla isn’t doing anything magical or even proprietary. Again, every other car manufacturer with more brand loyalty can match or beat Tesla at their game.

There are legions of faithful BMW customers for example. It’s not like Tesla is a household name. They have immense competition.

Apple is absolutely dominating their industry and the word. Tesla can’t make money, which is the goal in the end.

Tesla will be bankrupt if they fail to do that. Investors don’t care about humanity. They care about earnings.

I agree Tesla isn’t doing anything other car manufactures can’t, but their battery technology is actually something special, and probably sought after if Tesla went bankrupt. Can’t remember if it’s part of all those patents they gave away though.

The real question is wether Tesla can get their foot in the door before it gets closed on them.

 

[Chancha]

I sure would love to buy a car where its brakes can be stuck by road debris, can refuse to climb uphill with its engine throttling due to heat, and the navigation system cracks the same lame joke every time it mishear my directions.

 

[kwikdeth]

Looking forward to having to exchange cars to replace the broken proprietary door handle that can't be replaced after it's built. Special Apple chargers needed to run it. But hey the tightly optimized ecosystem means the cars won't go over 50 and Apple will tell us nobody needs to actually go faster than that.
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the same lame joke every time it mishear my directions.

Cant wait to hear Siri mangle and fail to recognize most proper names since that's what many street names are.

 

[Delgibbons]

Calling it ...

$599 for the Apple Glasses

Starts at $50k and comes with 8 GB of storage Apple Car

$30k extra per wheel required
[doublepost=1534313636][/doublepost]You charge the Apple car by sticking it out the bottom of your iPad lightning port

 

[apolloa]

Utter utter utter utter rubbish, I call this Apple Car rumour to be as dead as the Apple Television Set rumour many including Koh we’re predicting to be real with launch dates and pricing and specs.

As for a VR headset, hmm I don’t believe that either yet. I certainly don’t want one thanks.

 

[acorntoy]

Utter utter utter utter rubbish, I call this Apple Car rumour to be as dead as the Apple Television Set rumour many including Koh we’re predicting to be real with launch dates and pricing and specs.

As for a VR headset, hmm I don’t believe that either yet. I certainly don’t want one thanks.

I agree, many said eventually that Apple probably avoided it due to fierce competition and low margins.

If that’s true the car market does not seem to be a logical next step.

 

[apolloa]

Apple car is great for the first two years, but then the battery wears and it gets slower and slower and slower and starts randomly crashing

But then an update appears and auto installs, you only know about this after reading the internet, and the batteries seem better but you swear the performance isn’t as good? You go to your Apple maintenance centre who run full Apple diagnostics and happily proclaim nothing is wrong, and then ask if you’ve see the new Apple car 3.0, it would be an awesome upgrade.......

 

[jeremiah256]

I just don't understand what the potential for AR is. I am not saying it's not there, just that I don't easily grasp it. I know Magic Leap is also coming out with something, there were the Google glasses, supposedly Chinese police have special glasses, etc. but I can't see it for myself.

In the future, would I walk around with special glasses on that pull up my calendar if needed or show names next to people I see through them?

Will I only put the glasses on to play a game?

Think what you would do if you could take any object and place it where you wanted in the real world. And by object, I mean any character, place, thing or process.

You hit on some of the use cases. Place virtual clocks, pictures, art, portals to a Japanese garden on your walls. Giving a presentation? Virtual teleprompter. Have a USMC Drill Sergeant 'assist' you with your exercise routine. Have your Outlook calendar projected on the wall with upcoming events. And with ARKit 2, I believe you can allow others to see what you are looking at, so there is a lot of potential with social and gaming applications.

 

[dontwalkhand]

I sure would love to buy a car where its brakes can be stuck by road debris, can refuse to climb uphill with its engine throttling due to heat, and the navigation system cracks the same lame joke every time it mishear my directions.

Hey Siri I need to get to Walgreens.

Searching the web for I need to get to Walgreens.

Sorry this is not available while you’re driving as you have do not disturb while driving enabled.

Oh Apple Car sounds great.