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if that was true, Uber wouldn’t have practically driven the taxi industry out of business because they run on turn by turn maps that keep them out of traffic jams. Didn’t matter how much a yellow cab was speeding if it would simply get stuck on the next jam

Here in the U.K. Uber are being banned from more and more cities for bad business practices. They are most definitely not driving any cabs out of business and have a pretty poor reputation after the media heavily criticised them.
 
I can’t begin to imagine how expensive the car will be, subscription model or not. But if it’s self-driving I might do it when I’m an old fart.
 
I always get a chuckle out of these "nobody will own cars" comments. I have no doubt that many people living and working in urban areas might be willing to forgo car ownership, but unless there are rules requiring this kind of service in rural areas at an affordable rate like there are for power or phone companies, plenty of people will own cars well into the future.
Don't you know that you need an insurance for driving a car? What will happen when insurance companies decide to support only non-owned and non-human-driven transportation? A "lot of people" will still own cars then? And... do you think this will only apply to driving cars? (hint: no, it won't).
 
Neither Musk nor Tesla fit Apple's culture.

Tesla has significant manufacturing and profitability issues.
Yes. Elon and Apple are like oil and water. Not because they are different. More because they are the same in different directions. Tesla's true fate will be known when they have to compete. They are not doing that now. No one offers a EV that does what they do. That is rapidly changing. I personally do not believe they CAN compete with GM or Ford. Not to mention the Germans and the Asia region.
 
Neither Musk nor Tesla fit Apple's culture.

Tesla has significant manufacturing and profitability issues.

There are big issues culture issues between the two. Tesla is a startup and capable of turning on a dime (or a tweet) and operating on slim margins. Apple is much more mainline, with layers of infrastructure. This is why Field never fit at Tesla and was essentially told to go home when he could not make the radical changes needed to hit the Model 3 production timelines.
 
Don't you know that you need an insurance for driving a car? What will happen when insurance companies decide to support only non-owned and non-human-driven transportation? A "lot of people" will still own cars then? And... do you think this will only apply to driving cars? (hint: no, it won't).
I hope that people will not underestimate your point. You are allowed to drive a car today with insurance because there is no other choice. But when there is another choice, one that will vastly reduce the risk of financial loss (not to mention the human costs) that is the choice you will have.
 
[...] But the idea is that software with 360 sensors will make better decisions than the average driver, better than you or me [...]

Why would you want to own one? Why not just request it from an app so that the car drives to you. If you want to drive it, that's fine. If you don't want to, that's fine too. No need to own the car, just rent it on demand.

It's shocking to realise how the same sentences you listened at Sci-Fi movies, with characters surrendering to electronic/robotic dictatorship are no longer fiction, but freely chosen by real people, in our real world, in this moment. It's obvious that we've doing something very wrong for a century.
 
Don't you know that you need an insurance for driving a car? What will happen when insurance companies decide to support only non-owned and non-human-driven transportation? A "lot of people" will still own cars then? And... do you think this will only apply to driving cars? (hint: no, it won't).

Insurance companies are not going to force you out of car ownership...
 
Have you ever watched the classic Fritz Lang film Metropolis? It's a silent film but is says volumes about the "modern" world some forecast as our future. From what I see we are headed into a Digital Dark Age where most will eek out a life as well-connected slaves.

Only people that cannot adapt to change. Make sure you are not the equivalent of a elevator operator in the 1940s or a telephone operator in the 1990s. Learn and adapt. No technology every created has not resulted in new jobs for those that could adapt.
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I hope that people will not underestimate your point. You are allowed to drive a car today with insurance because there is no other choice. But when there is another choice, one that will vastly reduce the risk of financial loss (not to mention the human costs) that is the choice you will have.

Agreed. And the need for individual policy insurance may disappear. The cost of insurance can be factored into the price of a car or car service.
 
Insurance companies are not going to force you out of car ownership...
I didn't say just owning a car. I said both owning and driving it. Be fair, please. You are defending that it's better that we lose our current freedom. Don't try to pretend the opposite now.
 
Only $49,999
No, not really, it will be as cheap as Gmail. Just like storing your mail in someone else's servers turns the email free (specially when you also allow to use your mail for marketing purposes), the same will happen with automated cars: you don't own them, you don't drive them, your company collects your data and uses it for their benefit... you can expect a very cheap service, in accordance with how cheap you are selling your freedom and the value of your life.
 
It's your decision. If you don't feel safe ordering a self driving car, don't turn it on. You're at fault if you decide to use buggy software. But the idea is that software with 360 sensors will make better decisions than the average driver, better than you or me.

If it asks you to take over right away, it's not full self driving. That's level3/level4 autonomy.
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Why would you want to own one? Why not just request it from an app so that the car drives to you. If you want to drive it, that's fine. If you don't want to, that's fine too. No need to own the car, just rent it on demand.
Because at the end it will always come our way more expensive. Try replacing your car with Lyft rides or Zipcar. It adds up. I’d rather own the car.
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So first I'll say that I am skeptical about Apple building a car. But IF they do, we will not be the customer. The customer will be car sharing and ride providing companies.

If one is looking to get into the car business, one must understand the future. Not just the future of car technology, but the future of human life. A key part of that future is automation. Cars will be automated for safety. But so will everything else. This leads to other "unwanted" changes. Like that the System/Automation can do your job better than you can. So why do they need you. They don't.

Here's a clue where things are going. GM is slowly releasing the changes that they are making as they prepare for a new time. Cruse Automation- Self driving car systems provider. Maven-Car sharing services. Long range Ev's. Partnership with Lyft. A time where you don't drive a car- it drives itself. A time where you don't own a car. Because without a job you can not.

IF Apple is really looking to enter the car business, that business will be totally different than today. Because everything will be different than today.
I just wish it won’t be as expensive as Lyft. I guess with this and public transit I can make it work though.

Speaking of which where are our public transit cards inside of Apple Pay?
 
Think what you would do if you could take any object and place it where you wanted in the real world. And by object, I mean any character, place, thing or process.
You hit on some of the use cases. Place virtual clocks, pictures, art, portals to a Japanese garden on your walls. Giving a presentation? Virtual teleprompter. Have a USMC Drill Sergeant 'assist' you with your exercise routine. Have your Outlook calendar projected on the wall with upcoming events. And with ARKit 2, I believe you can allow others to see what you are looking at, so there is a lot of potential with social and gaming applications.

....love the idea of the virtual teleprompter for speeches. That would be beyond amazing. But with regard to the Apple Car and VR goggles, I wonder if there aren't better options. I would personally much prefer to have Apple iPhone graphics up on the interior windshield, with placement of graphics where appropriate and voice controlled. In current cars, the screens for navigation and other activities are generally lower right to visual field and a distraction to operate manually. It would be safer to have visual indicators of turns, parking boundaries in the windshield visual field so you don't have to take your eyes off the road and other information could be across the bottom or top of the screen so drivers eyes don't have to leave the road.
 
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That's exactly the areas where Apple can step in.
You can't make a failing manufacturing business profitable very easily. Cars are a fiercely competitive environment with huge capital expense. Apple has designed their hardware manufacturing to use partners, so they don't have to be involved in the nonsense of manufacturing themselves. It's low margin and capital intensive.

Tesla currently doesn't offer a solution to a problem. If you buy a Tesla, you are going backwards in a lot of ways. Charging, limited range, cost, etc. Cars have gotten so good that a $20k Accord gets 35mpg, looks nice, and will run forever with basic maintenance. A $12,000 Kia has a 100k warranty and gets you from point A to point B.

Gas is still relatively cheap, Teslas are relatively expensive, and gas cars work very well with unlimited range.
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There are big issues culture issues between the two. Tesla is a startup and capable of turning on a dime (or a tweet) and operating on slim margins. Apple is much more mainline, with layers of infrastructure. This is why Field never fit at Tesla and was essentially told to go home when he could not make the radical changes needed to hit the Model 3 production timelines.
Tesla has negative margins and lost more money than ever before just a few weeks ago.

I'd argue Apple can turn faster than Tesla. Tesla is MARRIED to their current manufacturing limitations and all the problems that come with manufacturing. Apple doesn't manufacture anything. They can change suppliers, squeeze margin out of others, and use their leverage to get what they want. It's been incredibly successful. Apple is dominating and Tesla is wondering how they'll pay their debt.
 
What impresses me?

Let's see...

Less than 3 seconds to 60mph
300 + mile range
Some of the best safety ratings in the industry
It can park itself and pick you up when you're ready to go
It can drive itself from point A to point B without any driver input

It has zero emotions (I buy 100% wind power for my home)
It looks amazing -- I get this is subjective and you clearly don't agree, but still
Handles that fold back into the door... it's just neat.
Interior tech that is in a class of its own

So, I guess there are a few things....

By the way... Wife test drove a BMW and I've spend a good amount of time in the 7-series. Neither one of us was impressed. Everyone has a different taste. But Tesla is pretty revolutionary by any standard.

Losing money? Amazon lost money for well over a decade. Twitter, Facebook... all lost money for years before becoming profitable. I am not sure this is the way I would measure Tesla's success. They are not perfect, but that wasn't the point.

so, you would not prefer a Transformer, right?
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Fixed that for you.

And expect the car to be remarkably "thin." I picture it being like Rose on that door in Titanic, except with some really little wheels. Then again, if it leans on Apple Maps for self-driving directions, I expect it to be like Rose on the door in Titanic...

Preemptive note to the ADF: all JOKES (hopefully).

Adult Diaper Fetish?
source: urban dictionary
 
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My country recently had an electric car sharing service introduced. You are able to rent an electric car to drive from a charging station and are charged by the minute.

Seems like this scheme wouldn't encourage the best driving habits.
 
Do they have a path to profitability?
They do. In the last quarterly meeting, Elon Musk said that Tesla will be profitable and cash-flow positive starting this quarter, and then every quarter from here on. The production bottlenecks that have plagued Model 3 production have mostly been solved.

Musk is known for optimistic promises, so you can take it with a grain of salt, of course. In any case you don’t have to wait long (less than three months) to find out. Even if Tesla doesn’t make it all the way to profitability, any significant reduction in loss for the quarter would be evidence that Tesla is “on the path” to get there.
 
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