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Kuo: Apple to Launch 'iPhone SE 2' in Early 2020 With Similar Design as iPhone 8, A13 Chip, and 3GB RAM

recoil80 said:
So it would be better than iPhone 8, but with a similar design. What's the point in having both? If they just want to sell a "cheap" iPhone they can cut the price of 8 and call it a day.
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Unless they remove other iPhone 8 features (like 3D Touch, P3 colour gamut, wireless charging), there will be no point in keeping the iPhone 8 in the line-up. Otherwise they would have to sell the SE2 at a higher price than the iPhone 8 (either pricing the SE2 higher than the current iPhone 8 price or cutting the price of the latter further).

But the case against just keeping the iPhone 8 at its current price point or cutting its price further is that an iPhone SE2 with an A13 would be much more powerful and long-lasting from a performance and support status than the iPhone 8 with its A11 (two more years more long-lasting to be exact).
 
JPack said:
That valuable survey data is what phone manufacturers pay tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for.

Actions speak louder than words. Either every single smartphone manufacturer in the world including Apple is wrong and there’s a huge untapped demand for small phones. Or they’re right that’s why nobody makes small phones in 2019.
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I understand the point you're making and there's no doubt there must be truth in it. However, there is also clearly a market for a 4" iPhone (based off of people on these forums and those I know who own the SE).

The question is, how big is the market? Could Apple pay off the R&D costs on a new 4" iPhone with the sales generated? Even if they only sold 10M I think the answer is yes...
 
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lordofthereef said:
I feel like it's difficult to hop on an enthusiast forum and gauge what the actual market is doing. There are a lot of people here that likes the SE for its size? Does that reflect the actual market?

I always respond with the assumption that Apple has done some level of market research, at least more than anyone on this forum has.
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Agreed, people here seem to believe their sample count of a few dozen represents the entire market. Do we believe the entire smartphone industry acted on bad market research or is simply too stupid to act on this mythical demand for small phones?
 
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Eagle1337 said:
they should have gone with the smaller enclosure like the iphone SE and then edge to edge which would give large display in small enclosure.

If the SE people wanted a iPhone 8 sized SE, they would likely have bought an iphone 7/8.
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And if the SE people wanted an iPhone 5s sized device (at the point in time when the SE was launched), they would have bought an iPhone 5s???

Yet those people bought the SE not a 5s (because the SE had an A9 and the 5s an A7). The same way people will buy an SE2 instead of an 8 because it will have an A13 instead of an A11.
 
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Mad Mac Maniac said:
What people loved about the SE were the size, the frame, the flush camera
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All this is true for me. Being cheaper was just a bonus.

I remember when I switched to the 6s Plus from the 5s, I thought I would like the larger size even though I didn't like the design of the iPhone 6s Plus, such as the look, the rounded edges, and camera bump.

It wasn't long after getting the larger 6s Plus that I realized my mistake. I couldn't put it in my pockets, I had no where to put it in some of my cars, it was really hard to take one handed photos.

I knew I had a problem with the size when I was winter coat shopping and I was basing my purchase on whether or not my phone fit in the pockets.

When 128GB SE came out, I ended up selling my iPhone 6s Plus and going to an SE. I could have dealt with the a 6s or 7 sized iPhone, but it is still a little bigger, and has a design I don't like.

When the SE went on clearance, I purchased a spare for me. If something happens to my current SE and the spare, I will probably go with the rumored SE2, but reluctantly.
 
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Merode said:
It's astounding that:
  1. Apple still doesn't get why people loved SE.
  2. People here still don't get it as well.
Apple thinks that SE is a phone for those on the budget. A lot of people here probably agree.. What SE fans wanted was a SMALL, premium phone. iPhone 8 form factor is NOT small. That's why we complain. Just go to previous articles and try to find one SE fan saying: man, I wish they did SE in 8 form factor. Nobody EVER said that.
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Perfectly put.
 
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CrazyForCashews said:
It won't.

Because an iPhone SE 2 is never going to happen. It was a one off device, a one time thing, an anomaly.

Rumours of an iPhone SE 2 are just click-bait.

These rumours are about a refreshed iPhone 8, not the SE.
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ahhh, you can probably tell I didn't read it. I usually do but skipped this one.
 
Olz said:
I understand the point you're making and there's no doubt there must be truth in it. However, there is also clearly a market for a 4" iPhone (based off of people on these forums and those I know who own the SE).

The question is, how big is the market? Could Apple pay off the R&D costs on a new 4" iPhone with the sales generated? Even if they only sold 10M I think the answer is yes...
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I think we both want to know the answer. Apple’s corporate philosophy suggests they doesn’t chase niche markets. That’s why there’s no rugged MacBook Pro, iPad Mini Pro, or iPhone 6.9”.
 
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Olz said:
I understand the point you're making and there's no doubt there must be truth in it. However, there is also clearly a market for a 4" iPhone (based off of people on these forums and those I know who own the SE).

The question is, how big is the market? Could Apple pay off the R&D costs on a new 4" iPhone with the sales generated? Even if they only sold 10M I think the answer is yes...
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Ask yourself this question.
If Apple doesn't meet this demand for this subset of people who want a 4" phone, will those individuals never buy an Apple phone again?
I think the answer is no.

That 10m in projected sales (I realize it's a made up number on your part but let's roll with it); will it drop to zero if they don't make this form factor? Will people jump ship? Again, I think not.
Baymowe335 said:
If it happens, people here will still find a way to complain.
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they already have lol
 
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So next years flagship iPhone will take the shape of the iPhone 4/SE, and the SE will take the shape form on the iPhone 8 and above? Interesting.
 
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Olz said:
The question is, how big is the market? Could Apple pay off the R&D costs on a new 4" iPhone with the sales generated? Even if they only sold 10M I think the answer is yes...
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There is also the question how Apple wants to segment the market. If Apple were to release an iPhone 11 mini (eg, an iPhone 11 shrunk down to a 4.5" to 5" screen), at let's say the current iPhone 8 price of $449 that might cut into the iPhone 11 ($699) and Xr ($599) sales. By keeping the SE2 at the old design, it's less of a competition for the 'current' generation of iPhones.

EDIT: Imagine an iPhone 11 mini at $599. That would clash with the Xr. Prices of different iPhone or Mac models can overlap if done via different internals (more storage, different processors) but Apple wants to have a clean lineup where it says:
  • $449 iPhone 8
  • $549 iPhone 8 Plus
  • $599 iPhone Xr
  • $699 iPhone 11
  • $999 iPhone 11 Pro
  • $1099 iPhone 11 Pro Max
 
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Best rumor in a long time, could be better if it was a real SE, but I’ll take an updated iPhone 8 over anything else in the current line up.
 
CarlJ said:
It's not like they have a warehouse full of these. But they still have the assembly line with all the machines and jigs for making them.
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Beyond that, iPhone se and iPhone 5s parts aren't interchangeable. The points of attachment and how the things come together are differently. It's undoubtedly going to be the same here. Even if they did have a bunch of iPhone 8 shells laying around, the SE successor likely wouldn't boil down to dropping the innards into an old chassis and calling it a day.
 
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