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they should have gone with the smaller enclosure like the iphone SE and then edge to edge which would give large display in small enclosure.

If the SE people wanted a iPhone 8 sized SE, they would likely have bought an iphone 7/8.

Exactly, it makes no sense to continue selling new SE with outdated tech.
 
Not at all lol. All five of them are complaining that this thing is too big.
Really I am holding the 4" and 4.7" and there are ridiculously small.
As a bonus, given the A13 energy savings we could be looking at multi-day phone
If you believe Kuo, they will sell 30-40 million which its not nothing.
 
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I have an XR, which I love for the screen size and speakers, but it's too big for on-the-go one-handed usage. For that, I preferred the SE. Bigger screens definitely add a bump to the experience, but should not come at a cost of true mobility for those of us with smaller hands. Apple needs to remember this.

My gf had the 6S and 7, and I never liked the rounded-edge design. Let's hope they have the wisdom to retain the design of the SE, and get an edge-to-edge screen.
 
I could see Apple selling an iPhone 8 type device with updated internals, 32 GB storage, and base price of $349. There are lots of people who just don't need very much onboard data storage. For those minimalists, they could pair the base iPhone with the base iPad ($329) and have their personal computing needs satisfied. It provides a low cost path for folks committed to the Apple ecosystem.

Besides, most people don't buy their work computers. Their company's IT department assign them a PC and a phone, so they just need something simple for personal use.
 
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without double cameras its a wash. my dad wants a new iPhone but he wants the zoom camera so id probably just get him an 8 or a used x
 
Ask yourself this question.
If Apple doesn't meet this demand for this subset of people who want a 4" phone, will those individuals never buy an Apple phone again?
I think the answer is no.

That 10m in projected sales (I realize it's a made up number on your part but let's roll with it); will it drop to zero if they don't make this form factor? Will people jump ship? Again, I think not.

they already have lol
I feel like both of your questions are very similar. To answer them, in short, I don't know. I just bought myself a new SE off eBay to upgrade to 128GB as there just aren't any other phones that interest me. Hopefully it will tide me over another 2-3 years like the last one did. By then maybe we'll all have headsets with AR and phones will remain in our pockets so it won't really matter how big they are...
 
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I feel like it's difficult to hop on an enthusiast forum and gauge what the actual market is doing. There are a lot of people here that likes the SE for its size? Does that reflect the actual market?
Maybe not.

I personally like an SE sized phone, but understand that it is probably a niche market.

I think that most people like big phones, and the bigger the better. Many people view smaller phones as inferior to larger ones.

When I switched from a 6s Plus to a SE, many of my coworkers noticed and commented on my "downgrade", as they called it. While it was a downgrade in cost, the smaller SE was an upgrade in satisfaction and flexibility, imo.

Maybe this isn't what is important to most other people, or what most other people like, but that is okay. I am used to not being into what many other people are into.

For example, I liked Apple products a lot better when hardly anyone used them, and think they made a much better product when compared to the competition back then.
 
I feel like comments like these miss what people, at least those I speak to, like about the SE...the fact that it’s small, not that it’s cheap! An SE based on an iPhone 8 is just a cheap big iPhone. If I wanted that I’d buy the iPhone 8 that’s already on the market.

This is exactly right. The SE crowd loves the fact that they can reach almost the entire screen with their thumb while holding the phone in one hand without stretching too hard - a benefit Jobs alluded to when he introduced that form factor. The 6/6s/7/8 form factor is just too big to have that same benefit.

Indeed, the 6/6s/7/8 form factor is no smaller than the X/Xs/11 form factor. So the SE2 wouldn't be a smaller iPhone, but just a cheaper one.

That said though, some in family use an SE as their primary phone and iOS updates have not been kind to that screen size and resolution. Things just don't fit as well as they did with older versions of iOS - much more scrolling is required.
 
If you believe Kuo, they will sell 30-40 million which its not nothing.
I think a lot of that projection has to do more with the phone meeting a price point than a size requirement.

and that's really my point all along. A lot of folks (on here) are arguing that the SE was all about size. Imo it was All about hitting a price point for Apple. Size was just a bonus, for some.
 
A no home-buttoned design with a thinner bezel would be nice but guessing they just want to keep the same case tooling.
 
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SE was always sold from a price perspective, not size.

My SE purchase was all about the size for me! Price was never considered.

Also, wouldn't it be TE instead of SE 2. SE stood for Second Edition (or so I thought, see edit), how can you have a Second Edition Two? It would be the Third Edition.

EDIT: Apparently the SE stood for Special Edition - https://www.independent.co.uk/life-...name-stands-for-special-edition-a6946211.html

Thank you @redheeler for pointing that out.
 
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SE was always sold from a price perspective, not size.

^I think it is a size thing as it came out around the same time as the 6s and had the same cameras and A9 chip. Like probably many SE owners, I went from 5 to SE instead of the 6 or 6S. I actually returned the 6 because I couldn't get used to the size at the time. Though now, I'm using the 11 pro max hahaa.

Not appealing to me unless it's smaller than the 7, 8, 9, X, Xs, 11, 11 pro. Though, as I said before, I think the a13 with a smaller chassis wouldn't have decent battery life.
 
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This is exactly right. The SE crowd loves the fact that they can reach almost the entire screen with their thumb while holding the phone in one hand without stretching too hard - a benefit Jobs alluded to when he introduced that form factor. The 6/6s/7/8 form factor is just too big to have that same benefit.

Indeed, the 6/6s/7/8 form factor is no smaller than the X/Xs/11 form factor. So the SE2 wouldn't be a smaller iPhone, but just a cheaper one.

That said though, some in family use an SE as their primary phone and iOS updates have not been kind to that screen size and resolution. Things just don't fit as well as they did with older versions of iOS - much more scrolling is required.

The SE form factor isn't really small if it adopts the bezel-less design.
 
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i just will never understand the "its too big" crowd...how is an iPhone 8 (not plus) too big? It's pretty small..besides an SE design is super outdated
 
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The point of the SE fan-base is the small form factor, not the price.

An iPhone X like design with an edge-to-edge screen, but in the same overall exterior form factor of the iPhone SE would be ideal.

Price was never a problem. We all just wanted a premium smaller phone, and I believe a smaller phone like that would sell.
 
As usual the small phone brigade are complaining completely forgetting that a flagship 5.4 device is launching next year.
 
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