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Kuo: Apple to Use New Scissor Switch Keyboard in Future MacBooks, Starting With 2019 MacBook Air Refresh
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My MacBook Pro from 2013 has the 'old' ( for me the best is not old at all ) keyboard ,which work perfectly after 6 years of heavy use and it still works as on day 1 - comfortable , useful and revertible. For me it's a complete mystery why someone would want to change it...and even love that butterfly thing ,which Apple called 'keyboard'.
...and that is without mentioning the missing USB-A, SD ports, magsafe 2 etc...
My g button either double types or false negatives, and my h button is now starting to do the same.
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No, Ive would have told them long ago he was leaving, but it will have been planned not done in 1 month! Because it heavily affected the stock price so their is responsibility there.
What?????? So you are claiming Apple ‘accidentally’ shipped keyboards that were faulty BY DESIGN in three updates!!??? Hahahahahahaha
Really?!?!?!?
I’ve not read so much rubbish on here for a while, some good Apple apologising right there...
Yes all our fault that the keyboard on a 4 grand laptop, that is KNOWN to have a keyboard DESIGN FLAW breaks if you eat on it; you know something no other laptop suffers from...
What about the dust that breaks them, is that our fault too and nothing to do with Apple?
Why, if Apple ‘accidentally’ shipped a flawed keyboard design across multiple products and multiple updates, did it implement a repair programme? One that the latest release only a few months ago was automatically entered into from day one? That’s factual proof right there that Apple knows it was a design flaw by them and they are trying to fix it, basically factual history has proved what you said totally incorrect.
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I feel sorry for those who jumped on the MBP '16 with all USB-C ports feeling they are future proof.
Well, they keyboards are not as future proof as you thought they might be!
Well, they keyboards are not as future proof as you thought they might be!
First of all, it's a design change - there's always a constant whining from bored people - and there are some advantages. My 2016 15'' feels almost lighter than my 2013 13'' which is great for someone who carries the thing around all day. The touch bar adds functionality for some and the keyboard has almost no light bleed which is less distracting. The keys are bigger and less wobbly, but the less travel means you have to get used to it.
The usb-c ports allow you to charge from either side and adapt almost everything. On my 2013 13'' i had to use an adapter for ethernet, on my 2016 it's the same thing. Not all windows laptops have SD card readers and none of the have mag safe and yet people use them with less drama. The thing with adapters is that you don't have to carry them around if you know you're not going to need it - like a usb-c to vga, ethernet or hdmi.
magsafe is so good it should be standard on all wired equipment/appliances
Why? because it cand break, and you have to get it fixed? Anything can break, why this obsession for this keyboard? Is it sensitive, yes, but it doesn't just fail as some people shout for almost 4 years.
I use CF and Cfast, SD does not belong on a professional product. All my devices have usb-c cables or have had their existing cable replaced with usb-c, and the butterfly keyboard has a lower error rate than the old keyboards when hammering in lines of code.
I just think that even if the 2019's never have issues the butterfly keyboard mentality is that they will always have problems. So it is better for apple to make at least one good year and then return to a more traditional keyboard like the magic one.
That way everyone that bought 2016-2019 can at least get replacements and or 2019 machines with the best the keyboard will be.
I still dont buy it as i dont see apple making these computers much thicker than they are now if anything they would go thinner. Little hard to get a longer travel keyboard in it.
Why would i say that its completely different. My look at technology is adapt to new things and see if they are better than the old. I dont get caught up in little things that dont make a difference. Apple's light up logo and startup chime is ridiculous people care that much about it. It helped nothing at all. The new trackpad is way better than the smaller ones of the 2015 and previous. I have no idea why people hate on a larger trackpad. Ive never had an issue with false touches. If Apple released a car that actually hurt people why would I say its better because its clearly not. I can appreciate new technology that actually improves things in actual work. You just cant go into trying something NEW with a bias. Embrace it my friend. Plenty is much better than old.
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what year did you have? Sounds pretty rough if you had all those issues.
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ive had plenty of problems with old machines its not like Apples stuff is rock solid previously to 2016. My first macbook had plenty of issues back in 08-2010 and apple replaced it with a 2011 macbook pro. That computer died after 4 years. Too many issues got fixed but always had more. What year machines did you advertising agency own?
Scissor mechanism keyboards are not immune to stuck keys, keys that fail, dust/crumbs causing problems, or total keyboard failure. Spend 5 minutes doing an internet search for PC laptop keyboard problems and see for yourself. Apple switching back to scissor mechanism keyboards will not end those types of problems.
So lets say there product A that is 10x more likely to fail than product B. Would you say ‘theres stories of product B failing so its no less reliable than product A?
I have the current one which IMHO is nice. Keyboard takes a while to get used to but over all nice computer.
As for the new "Supposed" model coming out I'll believe it when I see it.
Kuo "believes Apple will do away with its controversial butterfly mechanism keyboard"
All those people that post pictures of the new iPhones and case's need to post pictures of new MacBooks to include the pro line.
As for the new "Supposed" model coming out I'll believe it when I see it.
Kuo "believes Apple will do away with its controversial butterfly mechanism keyboard"
All those people that post pictures of the new iPhones and case's need to post pictures of new MacBooks to include the pro line.
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Yes, the the design change ...and the 10000 issues after that...
)))Still cannot get why we don't have USB-C AND USB-A ports - is that difficult for Apple ?????
Of probably they have a courage exactly as the idiotic decision for removing the iPhone audio jack - NOONE can prove me that wireless quality is better than wired one.. also BOTH ( audio jack and wireless ) can live together, but that is another topic.....
I hope that rumour is true so that we finally have a proper keyboard and a good Apple laptop again after 2015....
It was not so easy to win Jobs approval with a mere good-looking machine, if it was lacking on the function part, he had a good eye for both areas. He would not accept such serious drawbacks as we've seen during the last few years, just for the shake of form. E.g. many heads would've rolled if Jobs was still here, after 4 consecutive years of faulty keyboards.
The most important head is finally rolling: Jony Ive. But agree with you that it took way too long.
You keep coming back to 'everything can break' ... while seemingly ignoring the idea that there's a big difference between something that breaks say, 1% of the time and something that breaks maybe 5% of the time. That's a HUGE difference in reliability.
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Yes I’m sure he decided to leave Apple and form his own company over a keyboard. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
I will be interesting to see what key travel these keyboards actually deliver, keeping "most users wont notice a difference" apart from "improved typing experience".
add "most users won't notice a difference aside from D keys not repeating and the space bar not responding'. Other than that, the typing experience will be identical!
So all of our borked laptops will eventually be replaced with a newer one with functioning keys. huzzah.
How do you know Steve said no to him? Do you have examples you can share? And real stories, not just when you think he would have said no (because you would have said no).
When Apple first launched the MBA their marketing tag line was “Thinnovation”. The obsession with thin didn’t start under Ive. And people are making assumptions he was the one in the company obsessed with it. For all we know it was also a push from marketing. Once a design is boiled down to just a piece of multitouch glass what selling features are there besides cramming an incredible amount of power into an extremely thin and light design? When the 1 port Macbook came out some Windows OEMs were trolling Apple on social media claiming their Windows devices were even thinner and lighter. Yet Windows OEMs don’t get knocked for being obsessed with thinness.
Going back to Steve, there were plenty of things on his watch that people complained about - like the mouse that shipped with the iMac, the plastic cube that cracked, the iPod nano that easily scratched, the buttonless shuffle, the fat nano, the iPhone 4 reception issue which created the ‘you’re holding it wrong’ meme which still exists to this day. The original Air didn’t get great reviews. The ooh and aah’s were all centered around the look of the device and how thin and light it was. But it wasn’t until the 2010 Airs that the product really became a great device. People need to stop romanticizing the Jobs era.
2010 MacBook Air reporting! This computer has been with me through thick and thin, travelling through multiple (dusty) countries. It's my daily driver and I literally eat 3 times a day every day for 9 years in front of it. Bits and pieces of dried pasta sauce, french fries, bread crumbs, hair, skin (so much skin, I shed like a mofo) etc are probably hiding under each and every key. I'm a programmer (and a student) so this computer is always on for as long as I'm awake. For the past 9 years of owning this MacBook Air, I've coded many software, designed websites, watched shows, typed all my notes on it. I mash the keys hard. And guess what ... all the keys still work, no lag, no repetitive letters, nothing. The keyboard works as it should. I have never been once... ever had to go to an Apple Store to fix anything. Before this, I used to have a 17 inch MacBook Pro which I loved before the graphics card died because I raided daily on WoW on it. Before that I had other MacBooks, all of which had never gone to the Apple Store for a keyboard fix.
I've been wanting to upgrade for some time now. Generally my computers last about 5 - 7 years. I've been delaying buying new MacBooks for 3 - 4 years now because of the supposed keyboard issues. One of my biggest (yes, biggest!) regrets in my life was that I did not buy the 2015 MacBookPro then. I know when I use my computer, I abuse it hard, it's really not a choice for me to keep my laptop truly clean just so I can keep the keyboard. I used to travel extensively and in the next few years, I'm going to travel during my summers to developing countries for clinical experience. So I can't expect my computer to always be pristine.
I saw a number of my lecturers using MacBooks as well, and during the short break, they used external keyboards to type. That made me sad!
When I heard that Apple was reverting to the scissor keyboard. I rejoiced. If they used the same or similar keyboard system as my tried-and-true 9-year-old MacBook Air as well as many MacBooks I'd owned before, Apple can count on me as the one of the buyers of the new laptop sporting the new keyboard!
I'm quite happy with the thinness of the 2010 MacBook Air. I would rather keep a slightly thicker keyboard/laptop than to sacrifice functionality over aesthetic.
I've been wanting to upgrade for some time now. Generally my computers last about 5 - 7 years. I've been delaying buying new MacBooks for 3 - 4 years now because of the supposed keyboard issues. One of my biggest (yes, biggest!) regrets in my life was that I did not buy the 2015 MacBookPro then. I know when I use my computer, I abuse it hard, it's really not a choice for me to keep my laptop truly clean just so I can keep the keyboard. I used to travel extensively and in the next few years, I'm going to travel during my summers to developing countries for clinical experience. So I can't expect my computer to always be pristine.
I saw a number of my lecturers using MacBooks as well, and during the short break, they used external keyboards to type. That made me sad!
When I heard that Apple was reverting to the scissor keyboard. I rejoiced. If they used the same or similar keyboard system as my tried-and-true 9-year-old MacBook Air as well as many MacBooks I'd owned before, Apple can count on me as the one of the buyers of the new laptop sporting the new keyboard!
I'm quite happy with the thinness of the 2010 MacBook Air. I would rather keep a slightly thicker keyboard/laptop than to sacrifice functionality over aesthetic.
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