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This absolutely amazing news! I really hope that this new keyboard will even be able to be replaced in the older machines since they probably will be keeping the same form factors who knows but that would be sweet to keep my 2018 MBA form factor and get a 2019 scissor switch keyboard.... ohh the dream!

You can dream...but you know Apple will never allow you to do that without upgrading your laptop.
 
I don't get why they would go back to scissor keyboard with longer key travel because logically it will require more space to implement. In my opinion only feasible successor for the butterfly keyboards would be force touch keyboards, why not make keys like touchpad in current MacBooks.
Same hostility to human factors that gave us the atrocious low-travel Butterfly keyboard. What kind of “more space” do you really believe reasonable key travel costs? One, maybe two millimeters? Please.
 
Expect a large increase in price as well because i bet having to resort to using a specialist laptop keyboard maker has cost Apple a lot of money

I imagine they'll continue to hold back on storage and memory on the less expensive air models. The Airs make up their cheapest practical option for most people, so I would imagine they would be hesistant to apply a large price increase there. I could be wrong. They have raised prices by a considerable amount over the last few cycles without really adding much that I would personally value.

I don't get why they would go back to scissor keyboard with longer key travel because logically it will require more space to implement. In my opinion only feasible successor for the butterfly keyboards would be force touch keyboards, why not make keys like touchpad in current MacBooks. Of course cost would be issue but eventually it will get down and I don't see that limiting factor today for the current higher end Pro models where price is not the first thing anyone looks.

That would be incredibly uncomfortable if you do a lot of typing and wish to maintain reasonable pace. Most of your muscles, including small ones, require some range of motion to maintain comfort. The current ones are already uncomfortable for me, which is why I don't use one. I tend to think the trend to chiclet keyboards and now this hasn't been worth it. It improves compactness by a small amount at the cost of worse ergonomics.
 
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Ive will have been the one to implement this change... they haven’t suddenly decided this
Just as ive's departure wasn't "suddenly decided". It sounds very logical to me. Perhaps apple -apparently- deciding to ditch the butterfly keyboard was the reason Ive finally decided to leave.

We still don't know if this rumor is true, but if it is, it's hard to deny a connection between both events.
 
Just a quick question. What is the type (name) of the keyboard that Apple previously used before being switched to the Butterfly?
 
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I think you're not alone in this, and that this is the major reason for the change: people postponing upgrades even with money in hand.

Add me to the list: I was in the market to replace my 2011 MBP since late 2014. Wasn't convinced by the performance difference of the model in '14 so I held back. In '15 the then-current machine looked somewhat outdated considering the price. 16 and onwards and after trying the keyboard: no sir, not buying this torture-device without ports. Was cursing myself for not having bought the '15 model regardless of the price, too.

My laptop has been written off for 5 years now, ready to be replaced ... yet still trucking along. ;)
Normally I'd have upgraded to yet another model again by now.

There's however so much wrong with the MBP at the moment that it's hard to see them come around. It's like a PC ultraportable now, priced like a mobile workstation.
 
Who knew it would take 3 years and 3 generations to figure out it wasn't working well.

The original butterfly keyboard was in the 2015 retina 12" macbook. In 2020 that will have been FIVE years.

it was 4 years before they even offered a replacement program.

I've been putting off an upgrade due to the keyboard issues but i'm at the point now where I suspect they'll screw the new machines in some other boneheaded way like price.
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Great, now we can only wait

Yup.

guessing macbook sales are going to tank until this new model comes out :D
 
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You guys do realize that the newer keyboard may cause the current computers to be 1, maybe 2 mm thicker to accommodate this design, don't you????? The shock!!! The horror!!!! What's next? Adding another mm or two to the thickness and make the units have user upgradable RAM and SSDs? What about a replaceable battery??? What's going on here? How can Kim Kardashian strike a pose for the cover of the National Enquirer if the computer doesn't look ultra, ultra thin and slick with no hideous and unfashionable access panels. Surely no one actually ***USES*** a computer for anything, do they????
 
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Jony Ive’s arrogance and obsession with thinness has cost Apple a ton of money and reputation. I’m glad he is leaving the company later this year, primarily because his editor and curator is no longer there.
I'm glad to hear you say this. I hope we can see the iMac gain 10mm of thickness and have a user replaceable hard drive again. I've moved my iMac exactly once, but need a $50 kit with new adhesive to upgrade the hard drive...
 
Headphone jack missing from which Mac now?

If it never left why would it take two years to come back?

Why that disappeared from the phones ( volumes for haptics to offset removal of button and environment ingress protection ) has little to do with the moves made on the Mac keyboard.

*sigh* The point of the comment/joke was that the rumor is making it seem like Apple is going back to tech that worked and wasn't done for "courages" sake.
 
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What? Ive is half the reason why Apple even exists today. This company wouldn’t be where it is without the Jobs & I’ve. Nearly every electronic product is slimmed down over time. It is why Apple has sold so many iPads and many don’t even buy notebooks anymore. It’s one thing to say that the butterfly design wasn’t ready for release and another to suggest that Apple should still be making MBPs with the pre-retina unibody chassis.

The reality here is that many people got so attached to the unibody and original retina designs and didn’t want to entertain any change. And it wasn’t just the keyboard. Some were not happy losing upgradability, others losing the lit up Apple logo, others MagSafe and others did not want to move to USB-C and still don’t.

Whatever Apple releases next expect something very similar to what we have now. It may have a scissor mechanism once again but the overall chassis is not getting fatter and none of those other ports are making a comeback.
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It was not done on purpose man. Apple engineers and employees testing products is one thing and it’s another when millions get their hands on them. Millions of people with all sorts of different habits using them in all sorts of different climates. Some that eat all kinds of stuff while typing, some that never clean their stuff, never wash their hands, etc.

Of course a percentage of products shipped will always have problems regardless of how how expensive they are or how they’re treated.

you showed us most impressingly that you have NO glue about qualitity testing.
the major point in quality testing IS to recreate REAL life usage!
[doublepost=1562310531][/doublepost]i wonder if i really care what apple does - using my surface book 2 with TOUCH display hahahaha - not touch BAR
 
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Finally someone with good thinking and not just spitting out nonsense. I agree with what you said. A lot has gone into it. We still don’t know if the 2019’s will have issues or if the new parts fixed what was causing it. I still think the 2019’s are the safest buy for this generation. We’ll see what happens with the new keyboards in the new machines. I don’t expect any new MacBook Pro model this year either.
If they are reverting to scissors mechanism it’s and indicative that the problems with butterfly keyboard cannot be fixed, don’t you think? It would make absolutely no sense to keep improving the mechanism only to abandon it once you’ve finally fixed it.
 
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Ive will have been the one to implement this change...
Maybe,maybe not (he wasn’t too involved recently according to latest articles so new KB can be other teams idea) but Ive was 100% responsible for the horrible butterfly KB.that’s what we know for sure.
 
You guys do realize that the newer keyboard may cause the current computers to be 1, maybe 2 mm thicker to accommodate this design, don't you????? The shock!!! The horror!!!! What's next? Adding another mm or two to the thickness and make the units have user upgradable RAM and SSDs? What about a replaceable battery??? What's going on here? How can Kim Kardashian strike a pose for the cover of the National Enquirer if the computer doesn't look ultra, ultra thin and slick with no hideous and unfashionable access panels. Surely no one actually ***USES*** a computer for anything, do they????
Apple Power User has morphed from creative/developer/scientist defined by amount of sustained horsepower you need to accomplish your work -> Kardashian/Influencer/Fashionista defined by the number of followers you have. By those metrics they've been making the right calls over the past few years
 
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