They'll fix the keyboard and break something else no doubt.The Mac is back baby, the Mac is back!
They'll fix the keyboard and break something else no doubt.The Mac is back baby, the Mac is back!
This absolutely amazing news! I really hope that this new keyboard will even be able to be replaced in the older machines since they probably will be keeping the same form factors who knows but that would be sweet to keep my 2018 MBA form factor and get a 2019 scissor switch keyboard.... ohh the dream!
Same hostility to human factors that gave us the atrocious low-travel Butterfly keyboard. What kind of “more space” do you really believe reasonable key travel costs? One, maybe two millimeters? Please.I don't get why they would go back to scissor keyboard with longer key travel because logically it will require more space to implement. In my opinion only feasible successor for the butterfly keyboards would be force touch keyboards, why not make keys like touchpad in current MacBooks.
Expect a large increase in price as well because i bet having to resort to using a specialist laptop keyboard maker has cost Apple a lot of money
I don't get why they would go back to scissor keyboard with longer key travel because logically it will require more space to implement. In my opinion only feasible successor for the butterfly keyboards would be force touch keyboards, why not make keys like touchpad in current MacBooks. Of course cost would be issue but eventually it will get down and I don't see that limiting factor today for the current higher end Pro models where price is not the first thing anyone looks.
Just as ive's departure wasn't "suddenly decided". It sounds very logical to me. Perhaps apple -apparently- deciding to ditch the butterfly keyboard was the reason Ive finally decided to leave.Ive will have been the one to implement this change... they haven’t suddenly decided this
Of course they understand. If you get lost in a dark cave and see a speck of light, you would celebrate.You ppl who are celebrating understand this is a *rumor*, not an Apple press release....right?
Oh of course not! That would take courage to do that...You can dream...but you know Apple will never allow you to do that without upgrading your laptop.
Just a quick question. What is the type (name) of the keyboard that Apple previously used before being switched to the Butterfly?
Nah, the whole keyboard will be like that eventuallyHopefully, a removal of gimmicky OLED strip is next on the list.
I think you're not alone in this, and that this is the major reason for the change: people postponing upgrades even with money in hand.
Who knew it would take 3 years and 3 generations to figure out it wasn't working well.
Great, now we can only wait
I'm glad to hear you say this. I hope we can see the iMac gain 10mm of thickness and have a user replaceable hard drive again. I've moved my iMac exactly once, but need a $50 kit with new adhesive to upgrade the hard drive...Jony Ive’s arrogance and obsession with thinness has cost Apple a ton of money and reputation. I’m glad he is leaving the company later this year, primarily because his editor and curator is no longer there.
Headphone jack missing from which Mac now?
If it never left why would it take two years to come back?
Why that disappeared from the phones ( volumes for haptics to offset removal of button and environment ingress protection ) has little to do with the moves made on the Mac keyboard.
What? Ive is half the reason why Apple even exists today. This company wouldn’t be where it is without the Jobs & I’ve. Nearly every electronic product is slimmed down over time. It is why Apple has sold so many iPads and many don’t even buy notebooks anymore. It’s one thing to say that the butterfly design wasn’t ready for release and another to suggest that Apple should still be making MBPs with the pre-retina unibody chassis.
The reality here is that many people got so attached to the unibody and original retina designs and didn’t want to entertain any change. And it wasn’t just the keyboard. Some were not happy losing upgradability, others losing the lit up Apple logo, others MagSafe and others did not want to move to USB-C and still don’t.
Whatever Apple releases next expect something very similar to what we have now. It may have a scissor mechanism once again but the overall chassis is not getting fatter and none of those other ports are making a comeback.
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It was not done on purpose man. Apple engineers and employees testing products is one thing and it’s another when millions get their hands on them. Millions of people with all sorts of different habits using them in all sorts of different climates. Some that eat all kinds of stuff while typing, some that never clean their stuff, never wash their hands, etc.
Of course a percentage of products shipped will always have problems regardless of how how expensive they are or how they’re treated.
If they are reverting to scissors mechanism it’s and indicative that the problems with butterfly keyboard cannot be fixed, don’t you think? It would make absolutely no sense to keep improving the mechanism only to abandon it once you’ve finally fixed it.Finally someone with good thinking and not just spitting out nonsense. I agree with what you said. A lot has gone into it. We still don’t know if the 2019’s will have issues or if the new parts fixed what was causing it. I still think the 2019’s are the safest buy for this generation. We’ll see what happens with the new keyboards in the new machines. I don’t expect any new MacBook Pro model this year either.
Maybe,maybe not (he wasn’t too involved recently according to latest articles so new KB can be other teams idea) but Ive was 100% responsible for the horrible butterfly KB.that’s what we know for sure.Ive will have been the one to implement this change...
Apple Power User has morphed from creative/developer/scientist defined by amount of sustained horsepower you need to accomplish your work -> Kardashian/Influencer/Fashionista defined by the number of followers you have. By those metrics they've been making the right calls over the past few yearsYou guys do realize that the newer keyboard may cause the current computers to be 1, maybe 2 mm thicker to accommodate this design, don't you????? The shock!!! The horror!!!! What's next? Adding another mm or two to the thickness and make the units have user upgradable RAM and SSDs? What about a replaceable battery??? What's going on here? How can Kim Kardashian strike a pose for the cover of the National Enquirer if the computer doesn't look ultra, ultra thin and slick with no hideous and unfashionable access panels. Surely no one actually ***USES*** a computer for anything, do they????