It's a keyboard, people. Every other manufacturer has been using successful thin designs for years and years. It's almost a non-thought. It's unfortunate Apple designed a defect-prone keyboard, but worse that they continued to design products that sell for huge dollars with them.
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Kuo: Apple to Use New Scissor Switch Keyboard in Future MacBooks, Starting With 2019 MacBook Air Refresh
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People hate on something they have no idea what use it could be. Most of these people don’t own the machine they just hate because it’s not physical keys and can’t see the benefit of it. They want old ports. Old keyboards. Old startup chime. Old light up Apple logo. Old trackpads. Even if the new technology is better these people won’t want to admit it is.
I'm sure there are other people higher in apple hierarchy who allowed him to implement all of his obsessions instead of setting a limit.
Thats all Im saying, give Marco a listen before jumping on him. Next podcast posts soon (today maybe?). So yea I’m also interested to hear what he and Siracusa say.
Rubbish, he was in charge of design, no one else, that was his job, he has the final say not others.. to make changes like this has lots of planning and R&D which will have had to go through and be approved by Ive.
Yeah a bit wishful. A reliable and usable keyboard and better thermal design could win me over. Till then the five year old machine beats a new one.
Not to forget that these machines cost a sh#t ton of money. I’m happy to pay a premium for something I know will perform well for years, but not one that will be thermally throttled from day one and likely break in some way within a couple of years. Let’s not forget what the name MacBook Pro once represented.
Well it’s hard to predict the future. At least he’s more accurate than others. It’s especially hard with Apples veil of secrecy. I’ll give him an A for effort still
Your flat out wrong there.. bar the crap keyboard NO OTHER LAPTOP on the market can give you the same amount of power in such a portable machine FACT!
It’s not form over function, it’s making an incredibly powerful laptop in an incredibly portable chassis... the best of both worlds most people want.
If you could buy the same mac sans the touch bar for two or three hundred dollars less, which one would you choose?
I think the issue was that they were stuck with a chassi design that basically only could house the butterfly design keyboard (because how thin the chassi is), and so they stuck with it. Not sure how much R&D money goes into every major redesign, but I can imagine it's a lot. R&D, Parts, assembly lines. It's expensive.
Doing the math they probably figured that they could take the financial hit of repairing keyboards rather than switching up the design for this faulty generation. Putting out a new design takes a bit of time as well, even if they were to rush it.
What is thermal throttling to you? You know that the turbo boost numbers are not supposed to be constant they are used in bursts. Does your computer thermal throttle then? If it can maintain the spec CPU speed under pressure it’s not thermal throttling. My 2019 runs at a constant 2.9-3.2ghz easily.
The last good Apple keyboard was the AEK II. What do you expect, honestly?
And the problem is not Jony Ive. Not even Steve Jobs and/or his absence. It's the people. I personally know persons who claim that they absolutely would need 0.3 mm less space because of portability. Apple serves their market well.
Sadly.
And the problem is not Jony Ive. Not even Steve Jobs and/or his absence. It's the people. I personally know persons who claim that they absolutely would need 0.3 mm less space because of portability. Apple serves their market well.
Sadly.
Ive left and now we might get a better keyboard.
If Tim leaves, we get lower prices!
If Tim leaves, we get lower prices!
I like the touchbar, but as with everything it's a matter of preference. I'd like to see them add an SD or better yet MicroSD slot. I use a Nifty Drive in my MBP and backupped regularly to a micro SD card using Carbon Copy Cloner. That way I could always get to critical files if my MBP died unexpectedly. I doubt we'll see that though given Apple's push to the cloud.
As for ports, USB-C is probably the only ones we'll see. I would like a new MagSafe, however. I do have a magnetic USB-C cord that I use for power just to be safe.
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Thanks for that low grade bit of parody to dismiss genuine concerns. I want a keyboard that I can rest my fingers on, that doesn’t go kaput with a piece of dust and doesn’t disturb half the carriage when I work on the train. I want space in front of the keyboard that lets me rest my palms without false readings. I want ports that I can plug in more than ten percent of peripherals. I want keys that don’t need my attention to understand their purpose, or worse to wait till that mystery meat is revealed. Read all of that as: I want something that is usable, and for $3000-5000 why shouldn’t I expect that?
Note my omission of the backlit logo and chime. As nice as they were their only purpose in this discussion is to dismiss our needs as frivolous.
Even if it’s fixed the reputation of the butterfly switches is so damaged at this point that it’s probably pointless to keep iterating on it from a marketing perspective.
That cracked me up. It's grotesquely big, especially on the 15". I can live with the one on the 13", but god damn.
You ppl who are celebrating understand this is a *rumor*, not an Apple press release....right?
Guys, you do understand that palm rejection is a thing, right?
It's been quite consistently great on Apple devices, and apart from the "too big" nobody actually gave an explanation what is actually the problem.
I rest my hand on the computer all the time and I never had one reading of my palms that affected my work. Hell, I the palm rejection ****s up so little, I can't even remember when was the last time I accidentally moved my mouse.
It's been quite consistently great on Apple devices, and apart from the "too big
" nobody actually gave an explanation what is actually the problem.I rest my hand on the computer all the time and I never had one reading of my palms that affected my work. Hell, I the palm rejection ****s up so little, I can't even remember when was the last time I accidentally moved my mouse.
There was never going to be "a fix" for the butterfly keyboard.
It was a terrible design "from the start".
The only possible solution was to replace it with the "older-style", proven scissors design (even with some modified parts as mentioned in the original post above).
Apple's designers and management probably came to this conclusion early on with the butterfly KeyGate disaster, but pride prevented them from s***canning the design too soon, so the orders from above were "fix it!" to make the bad design work -- which (of course) was impossible.
So... after a "decent interval" of time, they're going to do what they SHOULD HAVE done with the 2017 models -- put in a keyboard that works, based on a proven design.
It was a terrible design "from the start".
The only possible solution was to replace it with the "older-style", proven scissors design (even with some modified parts as mentioned in the original post above).
Apple's designers and management probably came to this conclusion early on with the butterfly KeyGate disaster, but pride prevented them from s***canning the design too soon, so the orders from above were "fix it!" to make the bad design work -- which (of course) was impossible.
So... after a "decent interval" of time, they're going to do what they SHOULD HAVE done with the 2017 models -- put in a keyboard that works, based on a proven design.
Guys, you do understand that palm rejection is a thing, right?
It's been quite consistently great on Apple devices, and apart from the "too big
I rest my hand on the computer all the time and I never had one reading of my palms that affected my work. Hell, I the palm rejection ****s up so little, I can't even remember when was the last time I accidentally moved my mouse.
Yeah I don't get this either. I actually really like the larger trackpad. I don't ever have any issues with with my palms causing the curser to move. I've never understood the "its too big" narrative. When I look at my 2015 model it almost seems too small now.
I will say this though, the 2019 trackpad really sounds clunky to me. I loved the silent click on the 2015 models but the 2019 is really loud comparatively. It's louder than the 2018 model and also the new MacBook Airs. I'm not sure if it has to do with the new keyboard design, but something about it doesn't hit my ear quite right. Side by side with a 2018 model there is a clear difference in how they sound.
This is welcome news that I hope is true.
Apple attributing their success to their present standards for "thin and light" is like if Howard Hughes attributed his wealth to abstinence from bathing and cutting his nails.
"These products are thin and light and that is why they are selling!"
"Banging these sticks together keeps mountain lions away - see, bang bang bang - no mountain lions."
Apple attributing their success to their present standards for "thin and light" is like if Howard Hughes attributed his wealth to abstinence from bathing and cutting his nails.
"These products are thin and light and that is why they are selling!"
"Banging these sticks together keeps mountain lions away - see, bang bang bang - no mountain lions."