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Kuo: Apple Vision Pro to Sell Out Fast, Leading to Long Shipping Delays
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HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
What are you talking about? Apple demoed using it with a keyboard and trackpad in the WWDC video...
And I- for one- would like to use it like that... a mobile, super-sized Mac screen wherever I happen to want to get some laptop-based work done... such as on long flights where space for even an open laptop can be constrained. Right now, about 75% of my interest in this thing revolves around how well it can do this one thing. Since some cheapie varaiants can do this, obviously Vpro can too... presumably at much better resolution than the cheapie options.
IMO: this is one of the standout, albeit simple, features of the product. No folds. No creases. No rolls. Go anywhere in the laptop-like bag. Use it when you want more than 16" of screen R.E. Put it away when done with that kind of work, just like putting away a laptop.
I presume this IS the 17" MBpro, the 18" MBpro, the 20" MBpro, 22", 24", 27", 30", 32", 36", 40", 50", 60", etc, all rolled into one relatively-small, carry-anywhere package. Summon your iMac 27", iMac 30", iMac 32", iMac 40" screen wherever you happen to be... including in spaces- again like those airplane seats- where there would be no practical way to use the real thing. Similarly, summon your 55"-85" television for consumption wherever you happen to be. Try to balance the actual thing on the tray table using the TV you already have.
Bottom line: all of the players are making great efforts to find ways to deliver bigger screens in mobile products. That's why folds & rolls are a thing. Perhaps this an Apple cut at the same concept, sans hinges, creases, mechanical wear, etc. And instead of turning 6" X 2.5" screen into a 6" X 5" screen, this can take both dimensions to any size.
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Long flights? Firstly, you'd wear this in a public flight? But it's 2.5 hrs battery life. Define "long".What are you talking about? Apple demoed using it with a keyboard and trackpad in the WWDC video...
And I- for one- would like to use it like that... a mobile, super-sized Mac screen wherever I happen to want to get some laptop-based work done... such as on long flights where space for even an open laptop can be constrained. Right now, about 75% of my interest in this thing revolves around how well it can do this one thing. Since some cheapie varaiants can, obviously Vpro can too... presumably at much better resolution than the cheapie options.
You can plug it in and even most regular class seats, well maybe not Southwest Airlines LOL, have a USB port for power.
Ahhh that’s actually a good point. But will people really wear this in public you think? 😳 it’s..gaudy.
Comments look a lot like they did when Apple announced the first iPod. I take this as a good sign. I'm excited and I can't wait to buy one.
I have never been less interested in an Apple product, and I've not heard a single word about it outside of Apple-focused websites. It might not be a total flop, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
Dude, have you seen what most people wear when flying?
I personally think it looks cool, but would you wear it to escape staring at the back of the seat in front of you? To watch a video on a large screen instead of a tiny screen. To be able to do work on a large screen instead of the small laptop screens which only fit on the tray table.
The fact that this is shipping with the M2 chip when the M3 launched months ago, makes me think that they are rushing this release to dump the M2 models as quickly as possible before other products in their lineup are updated to M3.
A device like this has a lot to gain going from M2 to M3.
Don't be surprised if they update Vision Pro Gen 1 to Gen 2 in less than one years time like they did with the iPad 3rd Gen to 4th Gen or Apple Watch Series 0 to Series 1 and 2 and the 14" and 16" 2nd Gen to 3rd Gen MBPs.
A device like this has a lot to gain going from M2 to M3.
Don't be surprised if they update Vision Pro Gen 1 to Gen 2 in less than one years time like they did with the iPad 3rd Gen to 4th Gen
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At least the AV has WiFi and more space than a Nomad. 😀
The iPad 3 sure, but the Series 1 watch came out a year and a half after the Series 0. The Series 1 was a lot more affordable too.
cant say ive ever looked to be honest.
And the Vision Pro, about which we are talking here, has an external battery anyway.
My point being, these returned units with no faults will just be re-boxed theres no need whatsoever to tinker with them. If Apple want to provide a brand new external battery module then thats up to them. Either way its going to take a while for these to end up in the refurbished store at whatever discount Apple will apply.
But, again back to the point I originally made - there will be a plethora of these bought for no reason beyond self-publicity and curiosity and for all those genuinely wanting one they will have to elbow their way past the YouTubers who will be returning their units anyway and had no intention whatsoever of keeping the $3500 device.
I just checked and the M2 Max 14" is $2700 refurbished, which is $400 off its $3100 MSRP. Who knows how much the AVP-1 refurbs will be considering we don't know how mount the AVP-2 will sell for, but without a price drop I think at least a 10% discount is a reliable guess.
And it will come with a new battery. They would probably replace any of the soft fabric bits which touch your head and face.
I don't think you can legally sell something as refurbished which hasn't been refurbished to some degree; that would be considered an open box sale.
I agree. Most Youtube reviewers do this.
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I've been an early adopter all my life… but I have ZERO interest in this. Maybe I'm finally gettin old 🤣
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
When I purchased my Powerbook G4, it had only 2 hours of battery life in a little battery pack. Knowing I would want to compute on long flights for longer than 2 hours, I did the craziest thing: I bought 2 more battery packs. I know, I know... complete insanity to solve a simple problem by buying what one needs to make tech do what they want. But that actually worked for me and I got much work done on long flights, well beyond 2 hours.
And on public flights, I see people with those donut pillows inflated and wrapped around their necks...
Headphones are everywhere- sometimes it's headphones, covid masks and eye masks/sun glasses obscuring their entire face/head. I see people working all kinds of tricks to try to prop laptop screens up in odd ways to watch something in a space where it just doesn't sit correctly on a tray table. I see people with heads jammed against the wall of the plane, mouths hanging open and drooling. On my last flight, a guy behind me was snoring at a level to make people several rows forwards and back laugh out loud. Who cares?
Since I'd prefer to get work done on a long flight than not, I don't give one bit of care if a bunch of strangers I'll never see again see me with one of these on my head... just like those using inflatable neck pillow donuts don't care either. I'll land with work done and not see those people ever again. But productive work will get done instead of not get done.
Gen 1 of this product will be taken by specific niche use cases... the public aren't jumping on this for another 2-3 generations.
You and me both.
I do like VR - I have a Meta Quest 3 (previously the 2 also).
But, its a bit obvious to say that Apple's VR headset regardless of its functionality and perceived use cases is priced well beyond the reach of the majority of people.
Im not in the market for > £1,800 computers and the vision pro headset blows this limit out the water for me.
Also, this is the 'pro' so maybe an 'SE' will come one day with many compromises.
Also, also... there are some elements to this which clearly scream V1.0 such as the external battery with only 2.5 hours run time connected by a cable.
The reality is that although id love to have a go with one.... im not wanting to own one at that price.
Maybe one day when they are on sale for around £1000 which is still double the Meta Quest 3 - it might be more attainable for most but there will still have to be a very compelling use case to have one.... even if you just leave it on your desk and use it as a huge virtual monitor for your mac and buy it instead of a monitor....
It's an interesting thing to watch as it emerges. Who will buy one.. what will they do with them... will there be enough apps on it to justify its existence and entice more to buy it... or will developers simply not bother to support the platform as they will never make enough money from sales given the low ownership of the device.
This could easily go one of 2 ways... either the next big thing with Apple selling millions over the years and everyone wanting to have one...
.. or it just becomes the iPod HiFi of this generation and quietly disappears after a year or two after disappointing sales.
Heh I read your post quickly and thought i read specific nut cases
Perhaps you're right, I snore & luckily am aware enough to have found remedies for it.
But I do think all those things differ in gaudiness, neck pillows make sense because well sleep is simply a must not an aberration. A headset that involves you making facial expressions, etc is a bit different. Including potentially typing on thin air(which sounds so cool haha).
Just in case this affects your buying decision, I’m very confident that this can only act as a single (probably mirrored) external display for MacOS. Only vision/iOS apps cancrun along side it.
If you travel with the intention of doing work, you're going to bring a keyboard and trackpad/mouse, both of which you will have more space for than a laptop with a decently sized screen.
There might be something in this.
If I think back to my younger self in the 1990s, my late 20s early 30s… single, carefree with lots of expendable cash, living by myself, I'd have been in the queue to buy this.
I think that is probably the demographic that are mostly finding this so appealing.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
If you are making odd facial expressions with mask on, nobody can see it- your face is obscured under the mask. If you are instead have a FaceTime call with someone via phone or tablet, your whole face is visible and every expression can be seen by anyone. I don't see the latter inhibiting anyone wanting to FaceTime on phones or tablets.
In my use case, I'm not typing on thin air- I'm typing on an actual keyboard just like Apple demoed in that segment at WWDC.
Neck pillows are acceptable because they are already established. Most flyers have already seen people using them, probably many times. Go back to the first neck donut though and I bet there were some double takes... and maybe some ridicule.
This is a new product and no one has seen one "in the wild" yet. But after a while, they will see them and it won't take long before most will see them like neck donuts or headphones are seen now. I'm still trying to get used to the people seemingly talking to themselves when on the phone not held to an ear (as if they are talking to themselves). That can still look a bit odd to me a decade+ since people were doing it. Does the person making the call care how me as complete stranger feels? Not at all. They are accustomed to using their phone that way and it's fine by them.
I believe you're right, but what's interesting is that you can use that 4K Mac display in addition to other Spatial apps. You can probably also make use of MacOS expose/spaces/etc on that single display. So you can have multiple displays, but only one of them would be MacOS; kind of like using an iPad to also remote into your Mac.
