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If I were directing Apple's future watches department, I think I'd want two strands. First, and very obviously, try to do the things like BP, temperature, etc., which are accepted by the medical establishment as being useful measures.

And, in parallel, a team looking at what sensors exist, or could be developed, which could be incorporated despite there not yet being known or obvious medical utility. Is there are possibility of detecting very fine movements. Which might be able to show variations on muscle relaxation. And what could be detected by various lasers and how the underlying skin affects the reflected light.
I just want a watch that warns people “you’re flexing too hard. Calm down.”
 
I predict we will see the standard Apple spec bump and that is going to be it, outside of some new watchOS health tracking features. Body temp isn't happening this year. Can I be on the front page? :D
 
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I predict we will see the standard Apple spec bump and that is going to be it, outside of some new watchOS health tracking features. Body temp isn't happening this year. Can I be on the front page? :D
All Apple Penryn’s get front page rights.
 
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I eventually got one of the CGM sensors that mounts on the arm. I get to try it out for 2 weeks then it stops. IF these things work, I would love it if Apple could get the blood glucose, blood pressure to work. Definitely it would help by just looking down on the arm and seeing that perhaps eating that giant piece of chocolate cake wasn't the best thought. Blood pressure is one of the biggest killers, dubbed the silent killer. diabetes is up there too.
 
No they won’t. I sell medical devices for a living. The Apple Watch (or any smartwatch for that matter) is not medical grade diagnostic equipment and will never be used as such.
Yes and no. Stuff like arrhythmia detection in Apple Watch is in fact FDA and Health Canada cleared as a medical device (and elsewhere too), and does save lives. OTOH, stuff like oxygen and eventually blood pressure measurement? Not so much.
 
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No they won’t. I sell medical devices for a living. The Apple Watch (or any smartwatch for that matter) is not medical grade diagnostic equipment and will never be used as such.
I have a CGM, you need a prescription for one of those things. Just took my BG , 145 on the unit, 135 with a finger stick. Both are medical grade equipment, 10 point gap. Even if the apple watch device is not the industry standard, it can be close enough to get someone concerned enough to see a doctor and get on the right track. But with my situation, both are considered worthy of being a medical device. Have you ever wondered how much of what the watch or phone tracks is close to being accurate? Oh the readings, I just ate breakfast and since this discussion was going on, would give my two cents. I have the watch 7 and going to keep it a while longer.
 
I have a CGM, you need a prescription for one of those things. Just took my BG , 145 on the unit, 135 with a finger stick. Both are medical grade equipment, 10 point gap. Even if the apple watch device is not the industry standard, it can be close enough to get someone concerned enough to see a doctor and get on the right track. But with my situation, both are considered worthy of being a medical device. Have you ever wondered how much of what the watch or phone tracks is close to being accurate? Oh the readings, I just ate breakfast and since this discussion was going on, would give my two cents. I have the watch 7 and going to keep it a while longer.
He's talking about official recognition from the national health agencies as medical devices and saying that the Apple Watch doesn't qualify. And he's wrong. Apple Watch is actually an officially cleared medical device in several countries. However, this is only with regards to two features, ECG and arrhythmia detection.

OTOH, I doubt blood pressure will make the cut any time soon, and I also have my doubts about glucose measurement. I suspect Apple will not pursue this in the near term. They may include the features, but advertise them as "wellness" features.
 
He's talking about official recognition from the national health agencies as medical devices and saying that the Apple Watch doesn't qualify. And he's wrong. Apple Watch is actually an officially cleared medical device in several countries. However, this is only with regards to two features, ECG and arrhythmia detection.

OTOH, I doubt blood pressure will make the cut any time soon, and I also have my doubts about glucose measurement. I suspect Apple will not pursue this in the near term. They may include the features, but advertise them as "wellness" features.
What apple could do is work with the companies who make CGM's and get the apple watch to read the sensors that are used. My Freestyle sensor on my arm, the iphone reads it via bluetooth. Why not have the watch read it too?
 
No they won’t. I sell medical devices for a living. The Apple Watch (or any smartwatch for that matter) is not medical grade diagnostic equipment and will never be used as such.
Which is exactly why they will save lives. The average person isn’t buying a “medical grade device”. It’s the indication from a consumer device that they should get checked out by a medical grade device that will be what saves lives.
 
What apple could do is work with the companies who make CGM's and get the apple watch to read the sensors that are used. My Freestyle sensor on my arm, the iphone reads it via bluetooth. Why not have the watch read it too?
What's the point? You need an iPhone anyway. I don't see this as a priority, aside from the iPhone sending the alert to the Watch.

Which is exactly why they will save lives. The average person isn’t buying a “medical grade device”. It’s the indication from a consumer device that they should get checked out by a medical grade device that will be what saves lives.
The Apple Watch's oxygen sensor likely isn't saving lives. It's mostly a gimmick. And as already mentioned, the Apple Watch is a medical device, for stuff like arrhythmia detection. Part of the reason is that it is much more accurate for stuff like arrhythmia detection.
 
Not surprised. Getting the temperature from your skin is BS anyway. In Mexico you are / were required to have your temperature taken during the pandemic to get access to indoors. The amount of times I supposedly had 35 degrees body temperature ?
 
What a wonderful way of finding out your nearest and dearest have reached their ends.

Beep Beep Beep Flashing alert: <close friend or family member> is dead.

"Siri can contact funeral parlours near you. Would you like to listen to Mozart's Requiem?"
Don't be silly. Siri can barely set alarms etc. What fantasy makes you think Siri could find let alone contact a funeral service?
 
Let’s help Apple pick and choose.

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Not surprised. Getting the temperature from your skin is BS anyway. In Mexico you are / were required to have your temperature taken during the pandemic to get access to indoors. The amount of times I supposedly had 35 degrees body temperature ?
I remember “temperatura normal” ??
but we are probably talking about a contact temperature sensor not infrared. It supposed to be more reliable in measurement
 
if that is all that AW8 will add from a health sensor perspective - it'll be a NO for me...
Samsung is currently leading with having temp and good pressure sensing, whether or not their algorithm is a weak point, don/t know ut Apple needs to UP it's game for the watch
 
Probably because of WFH employees. Get them back to the office ASAP.

Edit: I'm absolutely not kidding. All the delays and bugs over the last 2.5 years must have a lot to do with employees "working" from home. This is why Cook and other big tech companies are so adamant that employees return to office. They clearly all have strong internal evidence that shows execution has been lacking since COVID.

"Clearly have evidence"? WTF are you even taking about? Besides, Apple had LOTs of bugs and delays before COVID, though technically unannounced features cannot be delayed. Defects have been a perennial complaint on this site for as long as I can remember.
 
"Clearly have evidence"? WTF are you even taking about? Besides, Apple had LOTs of bugs and delays before COVID, though technically unannounced features cannot be delayed. Defects have been a perennial complaint on this site for as long as I can remember.
All big tech want their employees to return to the office. These companies have huge budgets for HR that conduct studies on productivity. You honestly think WFH hasn't affected execution? Of course it has.
 
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