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The 1st point is 100% wrong.

Jony Ive's design decisions, post-Steve Jobs, did more damage to Apple's products than Forstall's software decisions. Tim Cook fired the wrong guy.
And your second point is completely subjective.

When it comes to the issues with Apple Intelligence I highly doubt it’s just one person that’s responsible. Craig Federighi is in charge of the operating systems. John Giannandrea is in charge of Siri/AI. Neither are in charge of marketing.
 
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This is the culmination of a trend of bad decisions stemming from marketing people being the ones who rise the ranks, not the engineers. Jobs warned about that.
 
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There are like 20 "drama queens of Apple" that get so upset about the smallest things and DEMAND an apology and are ready at a moments notice to say "I'M CALLING CORPORATE!"

The rest of us, which is basically everyone, are like "It's fine. Calm down."
 
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Funny how so many of us, me included, bitched and wined about Siri for what feels like a decade, well before AI was a common concept… then Siri started falling even more behind and really made us salty and questioning apple and their lack of Siri evolution. Then finally!! New started becoming a rumor. They say iOS 18. Then 18.4. Then 18.5. Now iOS 19. Obviously Siri is still coming but it’s just such a joke how this has all played out over the years. Movie showtimes and sports scores is how apple has innovated Siri in the past decade. I’m sick of my own bitching at this point. I’m consumed in the ecosystem. Congrats apple, you win. But get it together.
 
Tim Cook shouldn't say anything about the Siri delay. He should just keep the supply chain working well. Let the frightened shareholders sell their stock, and that way Apple can buy back as many shares as possible. I don't concern myself about what analysts have to say, as they're usually just guessing about the future. I'm not interested in A.I. taking over everything. Let humans think for themselves. Maybe the fear of tariffs is driving Apple's share price down. Whatever it is, I'm not selling my Apple stock based on what some analysts have to say. I'll just keep collecting my dividends and go on enjoying my life.
 
Jony Ive's design decisions, post-Steve Jobs, did more damage to Apple's products than Forstall's software decisions. Tim Cook fired the wrong guy.

I sense that both Forstall and Ive are not easy people to work with as both seem to have very strong egos and opinions.
Both need someone with an even stronger ego to reign them in.
Steve Jobs was that person.

Forstall had a strong vision for software development. Not everyone agreed, but he was able to drive new ideas forward. But without a counter balance in Steve Jobs, he went too far in too many areas.

Same with Ive. Ive drove Apple into new directions, pushing engineering to creative new developments, culminating in the literal reinvention of the laptop with the 12" MacBook ultra-portable model. Most of its features were "Apple firsts", like the amazing sound system, the static trackpad that simulates virtual clicks via force feedback, USB-C (which Apple co-invented), terraced batteries, anodized aluminium bodies, etc.
All these features later became standard on most laptops. Not just Apple's.
However, without Steve Jobs as a counter balance, Ive went too far, and applied these designs to literally every Apple laptop, which did not go down well with the professional users.


With Steve gone, sadly there was no one left who could reign in these talented people. Cook does not understand software development nor design enough to be able to discuss their issues with them. Instead all he could do was to give them free reigns. And hope for the best.

And that was a mistake. But what else could he have done?
Yet Cook was definitely needed to keep Apple's financials in check. Which Steve deemed the most important quality in his successor.
And there likely was no one else at Apple at the time who could replace Steve as well as Cook. But he was definitely not the ideal person for that job. Yet maybe it is asking too much for an ideal replacement. Steve could not be replaced easily by anyone.
Apple just had to make do.

The result was not a total bust. I remember many commentators at the time gave Apple 3-5 years at most after Jobs.
Cook did a much better job than most thought possible.
However, it was also clear at the time, with Steve gone, that Apple would - over time - likely turn more and more into the IBM of old. With more and more conservative decisions, smaller and smaller iterative product improvements, leading ultimately to stagnation.
That writing was on the wall.
People are only now waking up to that realization.


It was reported that Cook signed the Apple Maps apology only because Steve Forstall refused to sign it.
So this PR stunt was not really an act of leadership by Cook, but more an act of "having no other choice".
If true, then I would not expect Cook to take leadership this time either, he will likely not proclaim or sign anything.
 
I’m not too upset about any of this...

But, I do wish that, oh I don’t know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, that things like Safari Reading List, or iCloud tabs, or Podcasts shows and stations would stay in sync.

Freeform still doenst have folders to store your Boards in.

Apple Music’s ability to sort playlists is different depending on which device you use (why can’t I sort by playlists recently updated on all of my devices?)

There’s no Classical music app for Mac.

On Messages on Mac I cannot tell if a message is from my Primary e-sim or my Secondary e-sim.

In Find My, AirTags shared among our family will not stick. My young son’s wallet AirTag will stay in my Find My for like a week and then disappears for no reasons until we add it again.

OOOOhhhhhhh… and there’s One more thing… (see what I did there)

Screen Time is a mess. Sometimes I manage to be on my device 50 hours in a 24 hour period! App limits works and doesn’t work at random times. Trying to supervise my kids’ devices with the various features is hit or miss. I give them 2 hours a day for games and 4 hours a day total, and it is guess work one day to the next if any of it works.

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I listened today to a YouTube video from the Computer History Museum of Bertrand Serlet. In that interview he talked about the Snow Leopard bug fix decisions.

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maybe one day a decade or two from now, we will listen to computer nerd podcasts talking about 2025–2026 was they era when Apple decided to fix bugs before trying to make new features.
 
Hope people realize that no AI is working on an iPhone in EU at all. People in EU would not even be aware that some features are not there because the entire APPLE intelligence doesn't exist in EU. And btw, personally, I am happy. I would be happy to never have AI
 
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Hi! I'm a Tim Cook fan! There is nothing wrong with Apple Intelligence because Apple is selling a lot of products and is making gigantic profits. High profits = high quality products and services. Tim Cook can do no wrong!
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The problem is that for Apple or Tim Cook to step forward here and to the right thing, they'd have to essentially make the same offer that Jobs made then - if you're not happy with having purchased an iPhone 16 that was supposed to have an advanced Siri, you can return the phone. Does anyone actually think they're going to offer that solution?

Honestly, this is a bad sitch. They sold these devices on the basis of these AI features, and a conversational, useful Siri is probably the feature everyone with an iPhone 16 was most anticipating. As much as I hate to say it, a class-action wouldn't be inappropriate here, and I think ultimately a lot of folks are going to get a payout.
I do not believe there is more than 1% of people that are buying an iPhone because of AI. And I doubt that more than 1% of people that will really care or struggle. To me this is not relevant at all.
 
What uproar? Apart from tech people and so called influencers. The average iPhone usher most likely does not know any better.
 
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You know it’s bad when people are holding up “you’re holding it wrong” as an example of doing it better!
 
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Cook ain’t addressing anything! Apple’s software development team is a joke and he doesn’t care to be honest.
 
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A personal address by Tim Cook means admission of fault and class action lawsuit. Why do you think iPhone 16 product pages were updated so quickly?

Apple has sold 80 million units of the iPhone 16 series so far. Can you imagine what would happen? Right now, Cook's team is just praying nothing big will happen.

iPhone 4 was solved with a 25 cent bumper. It was only a month of sales and people were excited about upgrading their iPhones each year. Not so much with iPhone 16.
There are going to be class action lawsuits anyways, so Apple should own the issue. Not acknowledging the issue shows deceit. Owning the issue shows transparency because it could have been a legitimate misunderstanding of the scope of the project. As the consumer, I don't understand the technical complexity of LLM and AI and Siri. What I do understand is Apple presenting a near term delivery but not delivering.
 
No one is buying an iPhone or any Apple product because of Apple Intelligence.
At all.
The fallout will be a collective shrug.
I didn't buy the 16PM for the emoji or summarization; I bought it for the improved Siri because I use it and because Apple told me that I would be able to instruct my phone on what to do. That is what Apple has not delivered.
 
So… everybody whines and moans that Apple intelligence isn’t a good selling point and a lot of people even say that they keep it turned off… but Apple should grovel and beg for peoples’ forgiveness because one aspect of it isn’t ready yet? Make it make sense.
Surprise, everyone buys things for different reasons. Imagine that. I bought mine because Apple promised an improved Siri. If I had known Apple wasn't going to deliver, I might have held off upgrading to a new phone until the next version. Lord knows that I have had enough problems with the bugs in the 16PM. :rolleyes:
 
He is a rather milquetoast, beige fellow
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