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Loving my s10+!!! It makes the iPhone xs look dated. And I love pip while I'm texting and browsing the web .
 
Played with the S10+ in a store and it's a really great phone. That screen design is gorgeous. But to be honest, while the software has improved, it's still nowhere as smooth as iOS or even up there with flagship OnePlus phones or Huawei phones. If there was a reliable way to install iOS 12 on the S10+ hardware...oh boy...

I totally agree, Samsung and Huawei have to really on looks than functionality also CPU processing power, Apple is years ahead in that area but soon processing power is not going to matter a great deal and functionality is closing so Apple needs a big leap no later than 2020 or they will end up like Mac v PC, were iPhobe yes better slicker but the Android dose what I need it to do just fine at a fraction of the price.

The future is services and if Apple allowed iOS to be installed on other none Apple devices that would also bring Apple services to them devices increasing Apple services business side.
 
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It's probably tough to get a real read on these preorder numbers. At one time I had 3 pre-orders active, as new and better deals were revealed over the week. All of these orders were for 2 phones each. So, for a time, I had preorders in for 6 phones. I have to think I'm not the only one.

I've cancelled all but the one from Best Buy. Taking advantage of the Verizon "BOGO" offer (actually a $750 discount that I applied to the S10), the Samsung $550 trade in on my son's S9 ($50 more than I paid for it), Best Buy's $50 per phone discount, free Galaxy buds. I think there is another promo that I'm missing. All told, I think it was around $400ish for the 2 phones after promos and trading in my son's S9.

I posted all of that to say, there are so many deals on this phone right now, that the numbers are hard to interpret, and it wouldn't surprise me if many of the pre-order folks had multiple orders in.

I am leaving the Apple ecosystem for the first time in 23 years. I work in an OR where I always have a mask on, so FaceID doesn't work for me there. In my ideal world, there would be both Apple's FaceID and Samsung's in-screen Touch ID, but I have to have Touch ID and I'm tired of using this POS iPhone 7. The battery life is horrendous, even though it's a brand new phone.

Are you implying you don’t wear gloves the OR?
 
The finger print sensor wins the day in my book... enough for me to actually be considering switching from my current 6s Plus.
I'm not a fan of Face ID on any device and Apples take on the technology is cumbersome.
Actually once you set it up correctly face ID is great!
But if you want less security and the problems of android go for it!
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why not both though?
When do you need both?
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Totally agree. I also still have my 6s (last iPhone series with an audio jack). It really irritates me Apple eliminated the audio jack and the fingerprint sensor. They came up with a bunch of lame excuses like water resistance, etc., but Samsung is having no problem advancing their phone while keeping a fingerprint sensor and audio jack.
The headphone jack removal is a real pain. Not sure if its enough for me to go to android with all it problems, security and otherwise. The music software and the audio subsystem of android is not as good either but the removal of the headphone jack from the iPhone is a real pain for us musicians.
 
Jobs made then remade Apple by motivating people to make what they thought they couldn't and convincing people who didn't know they needed those things to buy them. Current leadership just doesn't have that vision. Cook is too concerned with dividends, yields, and market demographics. Reality is what it is. I have a XR and it's nice, but not "holly cow how'd I live without this?" nice. People will only pay a premium for the latter, and Apple's fan base will only pony up the cash to save face for so long. They're going back to the late 80s/early 90s, unable to comprehend why people aren't impressed with them just by being Apple. They'll start bleeding money until someone who gets it takes the reins; good thing they have a lot of it.
 
I wish Apple had not abandoned the fingerprint sensor. I am not against facial recognition, but I still want a fingerprint unlock.

EDIT: Oh yea, and Samsung still offers a traditional audio jack. Apple screwed up eliminating these two things.
I disagree. The fingerprint sensor never worked well for me. Face ID has been great. Come on, the 3.5mm is dead. Once you've had AirPods you'll never miss a 3.5mm and if you need it, simply use the lightning connector adaptor. ALL of my earphone cables broke at the 3.5mm plug connection so my word, i don't miss it. I take it that you maybe don't like change?
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Actually once you set it up correctly face ID is great!
But if you want less security and the problems of android go for it!
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When do you need both?
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The headphone jack removal is a real pain. Not sure if its enough for me to go to android with all it problems, security and otherwise. The music software and the audio subsystem of android is not as good either but the removal of the headphone jack from the iPhone is a real pain for us musicians.

Use the lightning adaptor. It's hardly a problem is it? PLUS it doesn't put strain on the 3.5mm plug and thin cable
 
Still with the headphone jack?

Apple includes a wired pair for no charge. BT works fine. There is an adapter if you really need it.

Anyway, for me---not an issue, but to each their own I suppose.
If you're a musician it is an issue. With the older iPhones you could connect a keyboard to your iPhone
and run the audio out the headphone jack to a mixer with the new iPhones and iPads you cannot do this.
The BT works fine line is getting old..if you are just listening to music its fine.
If you are creating music it is not fine.
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That’s true, but fingerprint readers also have their pros. One big one is a factor in Asia. A lot of us wear masks to protect us from pollen or pollution or other people who are sick. It’s kind of annoying having to pull it down just to avoid entering my passcode or to use Apple Pay.
You can set it up to recognize you with a mask on, open preferences.
 
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If you're a musician it is an issue. With the older iPhones you could connect a keyboard to your iPhone
and run the audio out the headphone jack to a mixer with the new iPhones and iPads you cannot do this.
The BT works fine line is getting old..if you are just listening to music its fine.
If you are creating music it is not fine.
That makes sense if you are using it to create music.

I’d venture the vast majority of iPhone users don’t have the issue you’re referring to, however. Most people just consume audio through their phones.

The jack was removed three generations ago. At this point, if it’s that essential, switch phones, because that jack is never coming back. Complaining about the lack of a headphone jack is getting old
 
I disagree. The fingerprint sensor never worked well for me. Face ID has been great. Come on, the 3.5mm is dead. Once you've had AirPods you'll never miss a 3.5mm and if you need it, simply use the lightning connector adaptor. ALL of my earphone cables broke at the 3.5mm plug connection so my word, i don't miss it. I take it that you maybe don't like change?
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Use the lightning adaptor. It's hardly a problem is it? PLUS it doesn't put strain on the 3.5mm plug and thin cable
Have you tried this with a keyboard? Not the solution if you are a musician trust me.
 
Actually once you set it up correctly face ID is great!
But if you want less security and the problems of android go for it!
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When do you need both?.

No one is questioning whether faceID ‘works’. My point is that sonetimes when I grab my phone I specifically do NOT want it to unlock. I just want to see the time or whatever else is on my lock screen.
And with face ID, all someone has to do is wave the phone in front of your face and they have full access. With touch ID you’d actually have to grab my finger and force me to put it on the screen, which is harder to do.
So as far as I’m concerned, touch ID is the ideal balance of security, convenience and user control.
 
That makes sense if you are using it to create music.

I’d venture the vast majority of iPhone users don’t have the issue you’re referring to, however. Most people just consume audio through their phones.

The jack was removed three generations ago. At this point, if it’s that essential, switch phones, because that jack is never coming back. Complaining about the lack of a headphone jack is getting old
Im not so sure its not coming back. There are many people making music with the iPhone and iPad
using them live..Sorry you don't want to hear it..Bluetooth is not the answer
 
The thing about touch ID is that it relies on me to decide exactly when I choose to unlock my phone. Sometimes when I grab my phone I specifically do NOT want it to unlock, I just want to check the time or whatever else I have on my lock screen.

As far as security goes, Face ID is less secure just for the fact that all someone has to do is wave my phone in front of my face and they have full access. With fingerprint ID they have to be much more intrusive and grab my finger and force me to touch the phone.

I have never used touch ID and felt - 'wow this is a pain, wish there were a better way to unlock my phone'. To me, touchID is the perfect balance of security, convenience, and user control.
As someone who is currently using an iPhone 8+ and the 2018 iPad Pro, I find that Face ID does have its pros and cons compared to Touch ID. It's not perfect, but I think that at the end, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

One thing that has always irritated me about my iPhone is when I use "Hey Siri" from the lock screen, and then Siri tells me that I have to unlock my phone first. And unlocking it via Touch ID just mars what should have been a fairly smooth and straightforward interaction with my phone.

With my iPad, I just look at it, then say "Hey Siri, launch Overcast), and it launches. The message "You need to unlock your iPad first" still comes up, but then Face ID unlocks the device and it launches into overcast. In a sense, it does require you to slightly modify the way you interact with your devices, but the end result is that it has saved me an action.

And it's not so much that this single action takes a lot of effort. Rather, it's the difference between needing to do something, and not having to lift a finger at all. It's the difference between inaction, and the need for action.

Face ID is also convenient when auto-filling passwords. It now happens without me having to do anything.

You probably have a point about a crook simply having to wave my phone in my face to unlock it, but it hasn't been an issue for me, and I am not sure whether this will even be a problem down the road.

Meanwhile, the cons of Face ID (on the iPad) is that I tend to cover the sensor when I hold my iPad in landscape mode. Plus, the range isn't that fantastic, so it has difficult detecting my face when it's lying flat on a table and I am standing right over it (something I typically do as a teacher). That said, this likely won't be a problem for the iPhone, as it won't be used the same way.

I also suspect Face ID will play a larger role with AR glasses (where the Kinect sensor will allow you to control your glasses via gestures).

No one is questioning whether faceID ‘works’. My point is that sonetimes when I grab my phone I specifically do NOT want it to unlock. I just want to see the time or whatever else is on my lock screen.

But the point is that you are still at the lock screen regardless of whether your phone is locked or not, so what does it matter?

When I wake my iPad, it's unlocked but I am still at the lock screen, so nothing has changed. I can still see my notifications, but anyone else with my device can't see them. I think it's a nice little privacy feature that again, doesn't need me to do anything extra on my part. It just works seamlessly in the background.
 
I disagree. The fingerprint sensor never worked well for me. Face ID has been great. Come on, the 3.5mm is dead. Once you've had AirPods you'll never miss a 3.5mm and if you need it, simply use the lightning connector adaptor. ALL of my earphone cables broke at the 3.5mm plug connection so my word, i don't miss it. I take it that you maybe don't like change?
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Use the lightning adaptor. It's hardly a problem is it? PLUS it doesn't put strain on the 3.5mm plug and thin cable

Umm, sonit puts a strain on the lightning adapter plug and thin cable :oops:
 
No one is questioning whether faceID ‘works’. My point is that sonetimes when I grab my phone I specifically do NOT want it to unlock. I just want to see the time or whatever else is on my lock screen.
And with face ID, all someone has to do is wave the phone in front of your face and they have full access. With touch ID you’d actually have to grab my finger and force me to put it on the screen, which is harder to do.
So as far as I’m concerned, touch ID is the ideal balance of security, convenience and user control.
I guess my life isn't as "James BOND" as yours :)
 
BT works fine if you want sub-par audio quality. Suppose you have 16/24 bit audio on your iPhone. Then what? The iPhone does not even support aptX-HD so that you can stream HD tracks.
What you mention is not an issue for like 99% of iPhone users.
Im not so sure its not coming back. There are many people making music with the iPhone and iPad
using them live..Sorry you don't want to hear it..Bluetooth is not the answer
I don’t really care. I’m just tired of the crying. By all means, continue to pound on your high chair with your wooden spoon.
 
As someone who is currently using an iPhone 8+ and the 2018 iPad Pro, I find that Face ID does have its pros and cons compared to Touch ID. It's not perfect, but I think that at the end, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

One thing that has always irritated me about my iPhone is when I use "Hey Siri" from the lock screen, and then Siri tells me that I have to unlock my phone first. And unlocking it via Touch ID just mars what should have been a fairly smooth and straightforward interaction with my phone.

With my iPad, I just look at it, then say "Hey Siri, launch Overcast), and it launches. The message "You need to unlock your iPad first" still comes up, but then Face ID unlocks the device and it launches into overcast. In a sense, it does require you to slightly modify the way you interact with your devices, but the end result is that it has saved me an action.

And it's not so much that this single action takes a lot of effort. Rather, it's the difference between needing to do something, and not having to lift a finger at all. It's the difference between inaction, and the need for action.

Face ID is also convenient when auto-filling passwords. It now happens without me having to do anything.

You probably have a point about a crook simply having to wave my phone in my face to unlock it, but it hasn't been an issue for me, and I am not sure whether this will even be a problem down the road.

Meanwhile, the cons of Face ID (on the iPad) is that I tend to cover the sensor when I hold my iPad in landscape mode. Plus, the range isn't that fantastic, so it has difficult detecting my face when it's lying flat on a table and I am standing right over it (something I typically do as a teacher). That said, this likely won't be a problem for the iPhone, as it won't be used the same way.

I also suspect Face ID will play a larger role with AR glasses (where the Kinect sensor will allow you to control your glasses via gestures).

But the point is that you are still at the lock screen regardless of whether your phone is locked or not, so what does it matter?

When I wake my iPad, it's unlocked but I am still at the lock screen, so nothing has changed. I can still see my notifications, but anyone else with my device can't see them. I think it's a nice little privacy feature that again, doesn't need me to do anything extra on my part. It just works seamlessly in the background.

I dont want my phone always unlocking automatically when i look at it. Its as simple as that. I want control over exactly when it unlocks.
 
One example: when you are trying to use your iPhone from an obstructed angle or a viewing angle that is not anywhere near 90 degrees (I.e. laying flat on a table).

Happens daily to me
Ok, I get that.. not a big deal to me..so you help me get the headphone jack back and I'll help you get
the fingerprint reader back?!
 
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