Kuo Increases Galaxy S10 Shipment Estimates Due to 'Spec Differentiation From iPhone Models'

[Baymowe335]

Oh well it doesn’t stop the S10 being a good phone even if it doesn’t sell as much as the iPhone.

Remember that 200 million units include older iPhones not only the current iPhone. Ming’s figure for Samsung only includes the latest model.

Of course it includes all iPhones but the key is ASP of $769. That means ppl spend money on iPhones. These aren’t $200 phones like much of Samsung volume.

 

[Rigby]

You may have a point about convenience… but only if you’re ignoring the fact you can ‘arm’ ApplePay prior to needing to pay at the checkout, so convenience of Touch ID over Face ID is moot at that point.

The great thing about Apple Pay with Touch ID is that you don't need to "arm" it, double click, raise the phone to your face or whatever. You just pull it out of your pocket and hold it to the terminal. It can't possibly be any simpler. The way they implemented this was a strike of genius.

 

[Baymowe335]

Fun social experiment idea. Let’s see how many threads/posts Baymowe responds to with the words “profit”, “margin”, or “revenue”.

It’s all relevant to keep you guys straight with facts.

 

[tridley68]

I'm presuming you'll go silent now - However what exactly has the Galaxy s10 range stolen from the iPhone?

Samsung has been copying Apple for years what proof do you need their phone looks exactly Like the I Phone.
On a different note
How's the weather their ?

 

[Romeo_Nightfall]

Truth be told, I am not really using the dual camera on my iPhone 8+ much. I have not taken a single bokeh photo to date. I am mainly staying for the ecosystem. I suspect that any better cameras the next iPhone brings with it will likely assist more with AR than better photo quality.

To me, the main difference between Apple and Samsung can be summed up as such.

Imagine both are restaurants. Samsung has great ingredients they grow themselves, but they can't cook for nuts, and this often fails to do justice to the ingredients they use in their dishes. They may grow excellent wagyu beef, but the sauce doesn't go well with it, or it arrives not cooked properly.The quality of their ingredients is impeccable, but there's just something about the preparation process which mars the final dining experience. I might eat at this restaurant if I want to boast that I have had wagyu beef at a somewhat affordable price, but I can't say from the bottom of my heart that the meal was all that fantastic.

Conversely, Apple uses mainly off the shelf parts, but their expertise lies in being able to use the right ingredients to create great dining experiences that consumers are willing to pay for. Maybe they give you beef stew, at a terrific markup over the cost of ingredients, but the chef knows his stuff, and his special sauce creates a unique experience which can't be replicated elsewhere, no matter how hard the competitors try. And so consumers pay, despite complaining over the high prices, because they can't get the same taste anywhere else. And so they pay.

It's not necessary the best analogy, but it's also been a long day for me, and it's the best I can come up with at the moment before going to take a shower.

So the issue here is not that Samsung isn't "innovative" despite coming up with inventions like ultrasonic fingerprint sensors (I concur that it is likely a technological marvel in its own right), but that they just can't seem to put them all together to create a cohesive experience, mainly due to (I feel) their lack of control over software and services.

Because at the end of the day, that's what I am paying for. An integrated and cohesive user experience, not great specs on paper.

And whichever device offers me the better user experience gets my money, whatever its specs.

Your roar was true, with old apple. Not true anymore. Android is way better now, and samsung hardware anyways

 

[AppleScruff1]

Fun social experiment idea. Let’s see how many threads/posts Baymowe responds to with the words “profit”, “margin”, or “revenue”.

I’ll bet the over.

 

[9081094]

Makes sense, people will pay a premium for obvious features like triple camera and under display fingerprint readers.

Huawei used that strategy last year and it worked. Samsung followed with the S10. Apple will do this same this year with the camera.

Face ID is fun, but in the end, it's just another form of biometrics.

And again Apple is coming to the party when the party is over.

 

[tridley68]

Yep Samsung have been using their time machine again. Having features like the in display FPS, reverse wireless charging and wide screen lens. Not on any iPhone but Samsung have stolen them nonetheless.

Explosive evidence you have there.

 

[gnipgnop]

Well, Appleinsider is the most Pro Apple site I know off. Can’t imagine they put something on their site that will hurt Apple or put biased tests online.

You don't need to "imagine" anything. The Anandtech link I posted has the accurate scores for the Snapdragon 855 vs the A12. There are also screenshots from A12 users in the comments section that show multicore scores that are much higher than what AI posted.

Here it is again:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13786/snapdragon-855-performance-preview/5

 

[pl1984]

Samsung has been copying Apple for years what proof do you need their phone looks exactly Like the I Phone.
On a different note
How's the weather their ?

Good lord! What is a smartphone supposed to look like other than a rectangle?

 

[spacemnspiff]

It would be interesting to see if Samsung can make appreciable profits off their top tier phones. Last year was lackluster for Samsung top tier phones, I don't think they made much profit off the top tier category. Samsung's profits come from chips, memories, displays and mass market phones. The top tier phone market is like an expensive experiment to stay in the race as an 'also ran', even if no profits come from it.

A slight increase in sales as one analyst is predicting is not probably appreciable to the bottom line. And the price of the phones and Chinese not buying Korean phones doesn't help, the market is small for Samsung in this category.

Samsung logically should reduce the price of the phone because most if not all the OS/software development costs are borne by Google.

 

[9081094]

Why are there still bezels ok this phone? The whole point of the punch dot was to eliminate the bezels.

What bezels are you talking about? The biggest bezel is on the chin and that’s even thinner as all bezels on the iPhone XS.

 

[tridley68]

Lol iPhones don’t have half the features the S10 has that’s part of the issue with iPhones these days.

features like software updates at least a year or more behind .no thanks i'll pass

 

[gnipgnop]

Define competitive. I would say that, for the vast majority of users, phone technology reached a point where "competitive" is no longer relevant.

I already defined competitive as being market related. The last time Samsung was competing with Apple for flagship phone sales was in the iPhone 4/4s era. That obviously makes sense as a "competitive" marker since this article is talking about the S10 increasing flagship sales for Samsung.

 

[The Game 161]

features like software updates at least a year or more behind .no thanks i'll pass

Sorry I don’t spend 1k on a phone just to get faster updates. Certainly when the software updates you get on IOS still don’t give you the same features android already has

 

[9081094]

It would be interesting to see if Samsung can make appreciable profits off their top tier phones. Last year was lackluster for Samsung top tier phones, I don't think they made much profit off the top tier category. Samsung's profits come from chips, memories, displays and mass market phones. The top tier phone market is like an expensive experiment to stay in the race as an 'also ran', even if no profits come from it.

A slight increase in sales as one analyst is predicting is not probably appreciable to the bottom line. And the price of the phones and Chinese not buying Korean phones doesn't help, the market is small for Samsung in this category.

Samsung logically should reduce the price of the phone because most if not all the OS/software development costs are borne by Google.

You forget that Samsung also sells screens and ram to, guess who lol. Samsung isn’t loosing money. Apple has to buy all its components because it doesn’t produce any at all.

 

[tridley68]

Sorry I don’t spend 1k on a phone just to get faster updates. Certainly when the software updates you get on IOS still don’t give you the same features android already has

My Bad you are the king today.

 

[Dave.UK]

Samsung has been copying Apple for years what proof do you need their phone looks exactly Like the I Phone.
On a different note
How's the weather their ?

Not what I asked. What has the s10 range copied from the iPhone? What iPhone does the s10 range look like?

And it's there*

 

[Shanghaichica]

Samsung has been copying Apple for years what proof do you need their phone looks exactly Like the I Phone.
On a different note
How's the weather their ?

Yep those curved edges and the hole punch just scream iphone.

 

[dspdoc]

Have had me S10+ since yesterday. This was the last piece needed to complete my ship jumping. Bye bye Apple.

 

[spacemnspiff]

You forget that Samsung also sells screens and ram to, guess who lol. Samsung isn’t loosing money. Apple has to buy all its components because it doesn’t produce any at all.

Thanks for restating what I mentioned in my post.

 

[tridley68]

Works both ways......

I hear that's a feature you pay extra for on a Samsung phone .

 

[dspdoc]

Not what I asked. What has the s10 range copied from the iPhone? What iPhone does the s10 range look like?

And it's there*

Ha ha ha! This is NOTHING like an iPhone!

 

[9081094]

Of course it includes all iPhones but the key is ASP of $769. That means ppl spend money on iPhones. These aren’t $200 phones like much of Samsung volume.

I predict the S10 will overtake Apple’s volume this year. By the time Apple is releasing its incremental update in September/October. Samsung’s next flagship the Note will come out to deliver the knockout

 

[nt5672]

For everyone who is worried about this news, Apple will still release a new iPhone this September and you will still want it.

Yep, because non-Apple devices are socially unacceptable to a lot of people.