Kuo Increases Galaxy S10 Shipment Estimates Due to 'Spec Differentiation From iPhone Models'

[Abazigal]

You can get the same experience with s10 as well. It is not like apple is the only one having an eco-system. But unlike others apple is the only eco-system that ties overpriced hardware to it.

Why should anyone give credence to apple eco-system which the main attraction is to lock you in and milk you with over-priced hardware? Compared this to other eco-systems that tries to attract you by competing to offer you the best in services and software innovation.

That’s up to the individual to decide. For me, even if a particular Apple product lags behind another competing alternative in some way, the integrated nature of Apple’s ecosystem and the way their various projects all work seamlessly together more than makes up for this.

I have never said that Apple products were for everyone.

You are the ones saying that they aren’t for anyone.

That’s the difference.

 

[I7guy]

Hence the milking continues...

Well it does show your "opinion" is irrelevant to a certain segment of the population.

 

[Abazigal]

Hence the milking continues...

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[dan110]

If Apple releases a rehashed version of X/XS line of phone this year, then they will fall behind at least three Chinese hardware companies and Samsung.

If I were Samsung, I'd beef up the software and security teams to make their Android skin's updates more on par with Apple's iOS updates. Aside from Google's Android One devices, OnePlus is crushing it with the best Android upgrade cycle.

It appears that Apple can't chew gum and walk at the same time. They should be wowing us with hardware and software, but ... emojis.

 

[I7guy]

If Apple releases a rehashed version of X/XS line of phone this year, then they will fall behind at least three Chinese hardware companies and Samsung.

If I were Samsung, I'd beef up the software and security teams to make their Android skin's updates more on par with Apple's iOS updates. Aside from Google's Android One devices, OnePlus is crushing it with the best Android upgrade cycle.

It appears that Apple can't chew gum and walk at the same time. They should be wowing us with hardware and software, but ... emojis.

Other than the wide angle lens and reverse charging (of which there have been rumors about) how will apple fall behind Samsung. I expect(guessing) the same type of incremental improvements in the Xi and Xis(?) and Xrii that Samsung incorporated into the S10. And I know you said "if", but I am very wowed with the max.

 

[dan110]

Other than the wide angle lens and reverse charging (of which there have been rumors about) how will apple fall behind Samsung. I expect(guessing) the same type of incremental improvements in the Xi and Xis(?) and Xrii that Samsung incorporated into the S10. And I know you said "if", but I am very wowed with the max.

To expand on my thinking, aside from iOS ecosystem, Apple isn't really doing anything that Android hasn't or already does at a lower price point.

I've slowly been moving out of the Apple ecosystem and I don't think I can ever return if things remain as they are at the prices Apple tries to get away with. With very few exceptions I can do all and more of what I used to do with an iPhone running the latest OS.

 

[I7guy]

To expand on my thinking, aside from iOS ecosystem, Apple isn't really doing anything that Android hasn't or already does at a lower price point.

I've slowly been moving out of the Apple ecosystem and I don't think I can ever return if things remain as they are at the prices Apple tries to get away with. With very few exceptions I can do all and more of what I used to do with an iPhone running the latest OS.

To the point of features, all smartphones have similar features, it's the difference in the execution. I like the execution of the iphone and the ecosystem and have had a good run with all my devices: ipads, iphones, apple tv, macbooks, apple watch, air pods etc. That good run, coupled with the iphones do what I need them to do is the reason that in the foreseeable future my family and I (and there about 40 of us on ios) are sticking with iphone. Even my son, who went android a few years ago, is back on ios with a 6s+ that we bought him. He missed out on too much.

 

[mib1800]

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I sleep very well. Thank you. I am not the one who needs to second guess whether it is wise choice paying $400 more for a less functional xs max spec wise

 

[Abazigal]

I am not the one who needs to second guess whether it is wise choice paying $400 more for a less functional xs max spec wise

Neither do I.

 

[9081094]

Why should anyone give credence to apple eco-system which the main attraction is to lock you in and milk you with over-priced hardware? Compared this to other eco-systems that tries to attract you by competing to offer you the best in services and software innovation.

Very well said.

 

[I7guy]

Very well said.

Not really, it’s a stupid, uninformed comment.

 

[ColdShadow]

A great product is not necessarily innovative. Nor can you say a crappy product doesn't contain any innovation.

this is true.I agree.
but why and how do you want to relate this to the discussion of Samsung S10 / iPhone Xs??
you are skipping what I asked ,is the Face ID on the original iPhone X, innovative or not? if yes, why? (my answer is yes, and I explained why I think so) I want to know your opinion..

And since bias was brought up, that word is in line my proposal of having a personal definition of innovation.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...lds-most-innovative-company-rankings.2170698/

While one can debate the methodology and even the veracity of this site, where is Samsung? So I agree about seeing what "they" want and ignoring the rest. It happens all too frequently; bias is very insidious.

the problem is you are generalising things.while I'm talking about some very specific products.
I'm not talking about whether Apple in general is an innovative company or not.
I wouldn't have spent so much money on all my Apple gear if I didn't believe they were the best choice (with exception of my iPhone Xs Max and that's only now that it's been bettered by Samsung)

I'm talking about iPhone Xs compared to Samsung S10.only these two product lines.

 

[I7guy]

this is true.I agree.
but why and how do you want to relate this to the discussion of Samsung S10 / iPhone Xs??
you are skipping what I asked ,is the Face ID on the original iPhone X, innovative or not? if yes, why? (my answer is yes, and I explained why I think so) I want to know your opinion..

the problem is you are generalising things.while I'm talking about some very specific products.
I'm not talking about whether Apple in general is an innovative company or not.
I wouldn't have spent so much money on all my Apple gear if I didn't believe they were the best choice (with exception of my iPhone Xs Max and that's only now that it's been bettered by Samsung)

I'm talking about iPhone Xs compared to Samsung S10.only these two product lines.

So back to basics. The concepts in the s10, are not innovative and have been done before and the s10 is an iterative design. Like apple some of their hardware comes from other companies. What Samsung did, is to move the needle forward for under the display fingerprint hardware. The camera hardware isn't innovative either, just a better iterative design.

Maybe much of the above can be said about the max, although imo, the neural engine is innovative as well as some of the uses for it such as smart hdr and dynamic video.

 

[Abazigal]

Other than the wide angle lens and reverse charging (of which there have been rumors about) how will apple fall behind Samsung. I expect(guessing) the same type of incremental improvements in the Xi and Xis(?) and Xrii that Samsung incorporated into the S10. And I know you said "if", but I am very wowed with the max.

I am not even sure reverse wireless charging makes sense on a mobile device anymore. I was initially intrigued by the possibility of being able to charge my airpods and Apple Watch on the move (should the feature ever come to the iphone), but from some reviews I am reading, it can take up to 2.5 hours to recharge your galaxy watch, which kinda defeats the whole point (how many people will actually have the time to set aside their watch on their phone for this amount of time while not using it?). Yeah, you can argue that it’s a handy feature to have in a pinch but it’s increasingly seeming more and more like a gimmick that isn’t going to see much use.

Even if you use it to save yourself from carrying around an extra charging cable when you travel overseas, is it really such a good idea to leave your phone’s wireless charging capabilities on overnight?

 

[I7guy]

I am not even sure reverse wireless charging makes sense on a mobile device anymore. I was initially intrigued by the possibility of being able to charge my airpods and Apple Watch on the move (should the feature ever come to the iphone), but from some reviews I am reading, it can take up to 2.5 hours to recharge your galaxy watch, which kinda defeats the whole point (how many people will actually have the time to set aside their watch on their phone for this amount of time while not using it?). Yeah, you can argue that it’s a handy feature to have in a pinch but it’s increasingly seeming more and more like a gimmick that isn’t going to see much use.

Even if you use it to save yourself from carrying around an extra charging cable when you travel overseas, is it really such a good idea to leave your phone’s wireless charging capabilities on overnight?

Some of the discussions encountered over time is that a half-baked feature is better than no feature at all. I agree about charging times, who is going to set aside their phone for hours to charge a watch. Some people will have trouble setting aside their phone the alleged 15 minutes it takes to charge the buds. (And that same comment would be directed at apple also and their rumored reverse charging feature)

As far as saving yourself a cable or two, I travel fully loaded with accessories, dongles and what have you. Save .5 lb and some space in the luggage pales in comparison to wasting time waiting for your personal electronic devices to recharge.

Now what would make sense, if I could plug my airpods into my iphones lightning port to reverse charge like that. Granted battery drain and all that, but at least my phone could be used whilst the airpods were charging.

 

[9081094]

That’s up to the individual to decide. For me, even if a particular Apple product lags behind another competing alternative in some way, the integrated nature of Apple’s ecosystem and the way their various projects all work seamlessly together more than makes up for this.

I have never said that Apple products were for everyone.

You are the ones saying that they aren’t for anyone.

That’s the difference.

Since you don’t use any other product than Apple and by that commenting that ‘if a particular Apple product lags behind’ I’ve got great news for you: mostly all their products are lagging behind. The neglect of the products by Apple, if its hard- or software has been going on since 2012. Even if they put money where their mouth is, it will take them years to catch up. Not to mention that competitors aren’t standing still.

The so called Apple ecosystem has become a closed trap where others are offering the same or even better while playing nice with other systems. It’s no wonder Apple is offering iTunes, airplay 2, HomeKit to others because their AppleTV has been an sitting duck for years.

iPhones will from now on never set new standards again and will become a me too product for the foreseeable future. It will go the same route as the Mac and therefore Apple is scrambling to take their services to everyone. Too bad they will have a hard time selling it because Apple hasn’t been playing nice with others for years.
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It’s based on my personal experience, and I like how you are basically claiming that my experiences are invalid by attempting to override them with your own.

Your personal experience is based on one brand. One brand only and claiming that brand is delivering all your needs. I could accept that if you weren’t spreading your tiresome broken mantra of clueless assumptions of other brands you’ve never touched.

 

[I7guy]

Since you don’t use any other product than Apple and by that commenting that ‘if a particular Apple product lags behind’ I’ve got great news for you: mostly all their products are lagging behind.

Totally false. Let's go through every product that apple makes and see the similar products from the competition and decide. The issue that will be faced in deciding who lags who, is the criteria used to make the final determination.

The neglect of the products by Apple, if its hard- or software has been going on since 2012. Even if they put money where their mouth is, it will take them years to catch up. Not to mention that competitors aren’t standing still.

That's your opinion. My opinion is Apple has moved the needle as it explosively went into new markets to which the competition is still catching up. I wonder if this is similar to the allegory of the three blind men and the elephant...

The so called Apple ecosystem has become a closed trap where others are offering the same or even better while playing nice with other systems. It’s no wonder Apple is offering iTunes, airplay 2, HomeKit to others because their AppleTV has been an sitting duck for years.

Same or better what? It's easy to say and hard to debate, especially if one doesn't want to use google.

iPhones will from now on never set new standards again and will become a me too product for the foreseeable future. It will go the same route as the Mac and therefore Apple is scrambling to take their services to everyone. Too bad they will have a hard time selling it because Apple hasn’t been playing nice with others for years.

You really haven't been watching apple or maybe your bias prevents you from understanding the impact this giant has on the world.

 

[9081094]

You really haven't been watching apple or maybe your bias prevents you from understanding the impact this giant has on the world.

Hello again mr I7guy. Let us together watch how this giant will impact the world this coming years . You take the beer, I’ll bring the popcorn, okay
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Not really, it’s a stupid, uninformed comment.

Why?
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You predict the S10 is going to sell 200M units?

Yeah, and the Earth is flat.

I don’t know if it will be 200 million, all I know it will attract lots of buyers even from the iPhone.

 

[Baymowe335]

Hello again mr I7guy. Let us together watch how this giant will impact the world this coming years . You take the beer, I’ll bring the popcorn, okay
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Why?
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I don’t know if it will be 200 million, all I know it will attract lots of buyers even from the iPhone.

You actually don't know that.

If anything, with the iPhone low switch rates we constantly hear about, the S10 will likely hurt Huawei and other Android manufacturers a lot more. And no, it's not going to be 200M or anything close to it. Maybe 40-45M.

The Galaxy line has been successful before. It started falling off a lot, but maybe will gain strength. iPhone unit sales are largely unchanged the last 3 years, but their pricing power is strong.

 

[9081094]

You actually don't know that.

If anything, with the iPhone low switch rates we constantly hear about, the S10 will likely hurt Huawei and other Android manufacturers a lot more. And no, it's not going to be 200M or anything close to it. Maybe 40-45M.

The Galaxy line has been successful before. It started falling off a lot, but maybe will gain strength. iPhone unit sales are largely unchanged the last 3 years, but their pricing power is strong.

Let’s agree we both don’t know what the future holds and we differ in our predictions

 

[Baymowe335]

Let’s agree we both don’t know what the future holds and we differ in our predictions

We can agree the Galaxy line has never sold anything near 200M units and the iPhone has sold over 215M the last 3 years.

 

[1050792]

We can agree the Galaxy line has never sold anything near 200M units and the iPhone has sold over 215M the last 3 years.

Source.

 

[Baymowe335]

Source.

iPhone sales 10K.

Source for Galaxy, Kuo’s estimate of 40-45M galaxies this year and that being an upside surprise.

Samsung doesn’t provide unit sales by model, but every estimate is nothing close to 200M for Galaxy.

 

[1050792]

iPhone sales 10K.

Source for Galaxy, Kuo’s estimate of 40-45M galaxies this year and that being an upside surprise.

Samsung doesn’t provide unit sales by model, but every estimate is nothing close to 200M for Galaxy.

I'm not asking for estimates but for the source where it shows "the iPhone has sold over 215M the last 3 years".

 

[I7guy]

Hello again mr I7guy. Let us together watch how this giant will impact the world this coming years . You take the beer, I’ll bring the popcorn, okay

Sure let's measure that against Samsung Mobile division. But let's decide on this in advance, we don't want the goal posts to be moved, they have to be set in cement. I'll start with something related to the ecosystem; ekg.

Why?

Because a large majority of the posts, including the one quoted, is either hyperbole, blatantly incorrect or some form of trolling.

I don’t know if it will be 200 million, all I know it will attract lots of buyers even from the iPhone.

Churn is inevitable as well as churn to the iphone. Churn works both ways, it's not a one way street.
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I'm not asking for estimates but for the source where it shows "the iPhone has sold over 215M the last 3 years".

Google "how many iphones were sold in the last three years".