Kuo Increases Galaxy S10 Shipment Estimates Due to 'Spec Differentiation From iPhone Models'

[Abazigal]

People generally celebrate opposing Apple news mainly because Apple comes across as very arrogant. Arguably that is subjective, but that is the vibe I get when talking to people and reading news.

Now let’s think about this. How do most people feel about arrogance?

That’s precisely what I love and admire about Apple. How they march to their own beat and really couldn’t care less about what everyone else thinks.

 

[Substance90]

I just played with the new S10 and S10E in the store, and as an iPhone user since 2009, I must say I was very impressed (both by the hardware and software). I'm sticking to my iPhone 7 currently only because it still works fine. If I was in the market for a new smartphone now, the S10 would be very high up on my list.

I was comparing them side by side and I must say Samsung has done an awesome job at emulating Apple with their One UI. In a way, a better job than Apple themselves with the latest iterations of iOS (ever since the the Control Center buttons became floating blobs over a blurred background).

 

[ColdShadow]

Think we’re saying the same thing.

I don't know.
You said Samsung didn't innovate with under display ultra sonic FP Scanner cause they were not the first, (wrong) but I explained to you it is Ultra Sonic FB Scanner and different to the other type of under display FP scanner.
so they did innovate by making this since no one else did that before them.and it is very useful and important feature.

let put this this way, there is nothing innovative about iPhone Xs,Xs Max and Xr at all (reality) so there is no reason for Xs/Xs Max to be priced so high,BUT I think the original iPhone X had one innovation : Face ID.(still this doesn't justify the price but lets ignore that for now).
it was an innovation because other types of face recognition used in phones are basically 2D face detection or Iris scanner and neither are as accurate and as reliable as Face ID...they work differently.so while Apple wasn't the first to make facial recognition ,their version works differently and solved problems of other versions, so this is an innovation.
same applies to the under display ultra sonic finger print scanner of Samsung.

 

[9081094]

I think people vastly overestimate the power of the competition while simultaneously underestimating the stickiness of the Apple ecosystem.

For one, the existence of cheaper android phones is not a new phenomenon. It was the case back in 2013 when it seemed like everyone was so sure that Apple would lose to Samsung's S3 phone and a never-ending onslaught of cheaper, better-specced Android smartphones. For a while, it seemed like it was just me against the entire world on Cnet, each with their own "expert" take on why Apple was doomed.

And the world lost.

As it turned out, it would be the competition that would go on to crash and burn (no surprise there that selling tons of cheap handsets at razor-thin margins would not be a sustainable move, something which seems to have been conveniently overlooked by the "pundits"), and Apple would go on to sell even more iPhones at ever increasing ASPs.

I myself still don't quite know the exact reasons for this seemingly anomalous trend in consumer buying habits, but I am not one to look a gift horse in the mouth. What I can conclude, however, is that there is something in the user experience afforded by Apple products that goes beyond hardware specs. Maybe it's simply the tight integration between hardware, software and services. I can't distill this "value" and quantify it the way I would a benchmark test, but it's there, it can be felt by iPhone users, and it's evidently significant enough that there is still no lack of consumers willing to pay Apple's asking prices for their products.

It is no different today. It's clearer than ever today that Apple has a multi-year lead with Face ID and all that is associated with the technology (hardware and software), that will be very difficult for the competition to effectively replicate. Furthermore, Apple's software adds value to its hardware, unlike Samsung which has little control over their software and barely has an ecosystem to speak of. I would even go so far as to assert that being able to control your destiny by owning the core technologies powering your devices ends up being a competitive moat for Apple in the long run.

I am also seeing an increasing number of reviews criticising the S10's much-hyped fingerprint sensor as being not super easy to use, not as good as Apple’s old Touch ID, and DEFINITELY not as fast or easy as Face ID. Not to mention their face scanner is a joke. I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant number of S10 owners eventually abandon using any kind of biometrics at all and just go back to 4 digit or 6 digit number codes, which kinda defeats the whole point of spending so much on the S10 with so many *options* in the first place.

In addition, 5G is irrelevant at this point so pushing to release it early is not benefiting customers except in fringe cases. Value will be very limited for another couple of years at least.

Folding screens is equally irrelevant as a customer facing innovation at this point, especially at their current asking prices. And to add insult to injury, you get an OS that is atrocious for tablets. I continue to maintain that “Apple should do a folding screen just cos” is not a good decision making paradigm.

You all refuse to believe me when I assert time and time again that we are just bearing witness to the start of Apple's ascendency all the way to the top, and that's perfectly fine. Wait and watch and learn, as Apple continues to suck all the money out of the respective markets they deal in, while the rest of the competition decimate each other like cannibalistic piranhas in a game of mutually assured destruction.

Then again, what do these companies expect when neither the ideas nor the product is *theirs* and they're all pushing the same filling? These companies literally sold their souls to Google and embraced android as their saviour. And for what? A misguided belief that they could somehow repeat the Windows model all over again?

They should fail.

You’re like an STD. Annoying to get and hard to get rid off. That said, all your opinions are based on assumptions and those assumptions are really outdated. You think Apple has the upper hand in customer satisfaction, but going from my own experience with Apple computers lately and reading the experiences of others, it’s hard to belief. Besides that is that Apple’s eco of services is more of an handicap than it brings you any benefits when living outside the USA. Many services don’t work or are half baked compared to what’s on the market already. Apple Pay still doesn’t work, Maps is a disaster compared to google maps, iCloud is very limited and Siri is a complete joke. Together with very stagnant development it’s nothing to brag about.

The total landscape of Apple is way overdue and way overpriced. Areas as user friendliness or other areas they excelled in have gotten overhauled by the competition. They have lost the education almost completely and the video and creative industry as well.

I feel sorry for your students getting brainwashed by a teacher with assumptions and opinions from the past. Not only are you forcing them to use overpriced hardware but take away the chance to use the best educational experience as well. When you were up to date and more open to facts, you could save yourself and your students a lot of money and do something with that saved money what every student deserves namely the best unbiased educational experience possible.

But you know the saying.... teachers are stubborn by nature

 

[1050792]

That’s precisely what I love and admire about Apple. How they march to their own beat and really couldn’t care less about what everyone else thinks.

They sure make their own prices and don't care what everyone else thinks.

 

[9081094]

That’s precisely what I love and admire about Apple. How they march to their own beat and really couldn’t care less about what everyone else thinks.

When it gives you benefits you haven’t seen or know off, it’s okay. Almost everybody loves progress. But that’s the problem here. Apple is handicapping you and squeezing your wallet lately and by doing that, it gives you very little in return.
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That’s precisely what I love and admire about Apple. How they march to their own beat and really couldn’t care less about what everyone else thinks.

You’ve copied their attitude

 

[The Game 161]

They sure make their own prices and don't care what everyone else thinks.

They also don’t care when they include only a 5w charger in the box.

 

[9081094]

What I can conclude, however, is that there is something in the user experience afforded by Apple products that goes beyond hardware specs. Maybe it's simply the tight integration between hardware, software and services. I can't distill this "value" and quantify it the way I would a benchmark test, but it's there, it can be felt by iPhone users, and it's evidently significant enough that there is still no lack of consumers willing to pay Apple's asking prices for their products.

Are you high or on drugs? Anyway, it made me laugh, so thank you

 

[1050792]

They also don’t care when they include only a 5w charger in the box.

Courage!

 

[Brandon916]

The way I figure it is this. With Apple, they and my carrier have access to my data. With Samsung, Google, Facebook, which cannot be deleted, Samsung and my carrrier have access to my data. That’s one of the main reasons I chose Apple. Am I naive to think this way?

It can be disabled. Same with some of Apple's app. They have a list of apps you can't delete.
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Samsung's been playing "spec differentiation" for years but I don't see why that would increase sales for these particular models.

They've finally branched off. They're creating their own identity now. One UI is their own philosophy on how to deal large phone with a beautiful UI. It's their own thing. There's a handful of stuff that they're doing feels like it's Samsung and not copying anymore. Stuff like no notch, kept the headphone jack, advance fingerprint sensor, curved display and One UI. People are digging it.

 

[nouveau_redneck]

Can I PLEASE have the S10 with iOS on it? PLEASE!
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And it has no notch!

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What amazes me is how many people defend the notch. Guaranteed, once Apple FINALLY gets rid of that ugly aberration, people will start looking back and admitting what a disaster the notch was.

Mark my words, it will happen.

 

[Brandon916]

Can I PLEASE have the S10 with iOS on it? PLEASE!
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What amazes me is how many people defend the notch. Guaranteed, once Apple FINALLY gets rid of that ugly aberration, people will start looking back and admitting what a disaster the notch was.

Mark my words, it will happen.

I agree with you 100%. I couldn't believe Apple actually went that route. They are known for beautiful design but boy that notch was ugggggly. Not to mention that stupid camera bump on the back. Texting sucks when the phone is lying down.

 

[I7guy]

I don't know.
You said Samsung didn't innovate with under display ultra sonic FP Scanner cause they were not the first, (wrong) but I explained to you it is Ultra Sonic FB Scanner and different to the other type of under display FP scanner.
so they did innovate by making this since no one else did that before them.and it is very useful and important feature.

let put this this way, there is nothing innovative about iPhone Xs,Xs Max and Xr at all (reality) so there is no reason for Xs/Xs Max to be priced so high,BUT I think the original iPhone X had one innovation : Face ID.(still this doesn't justify the price but lets ignore that for now).
it was an innovation because other types of face recognition used in phones are basically 2D face detection or Iris scanner and neither are as accurate and as reliable as Face ID...they work differently.so while Apple wasn't the first to make facial recognition ,their version works differently and solved problems of other versions, so this is an innovation.
same applies to the under display ultra sonic finger print scanner of Samsung.

No. I said an under display finger print wasn’t innovation because it wasout by the time the s10 released. That Samsung improved the method of delivery was innovation.

That’s my view of the totality of innovation in the s10. The remainder is incremental improvements.

As far as the Xs, IMO, the neural engine, smart hdr, dynamic range videos are innovation. Your personal benchmark of innovation may characterize them differently.

 

[Bigskydoc]

Personally, I find the notch (personally used for over a year) to be less annoying than the punch (seen in person, but not used on a daily basis yet). Personally, I find the whole concept to be moronic. Punches and notches just to make the screen ~8.9mm taller, and that ~8.9 mm isn't actually usable screen, its just there so manufacturers and consumers can brag about a bigger screen and get closer to 100% screen to body ratio. Until they make a camera module that works through a screen, like the S10 fingerprint sensor, I think they should just leave thin forehead to accommodate the camera.

I also realize that I am in the super minority here.

 

[realtuner]

The new S10s are nice phones for sure. However, my Note 9 only received Android Pie last month. 5 months after it came out. Sorry, but if you spend $1,000 on a new smartphone you deserve to get treated better and get support (future OS releases) for more than 2 years.

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

Personally, I find the notch (personally used for over a year) to be less annoying than the punch (seen in person, but not used on a daily basis yet). Personally, I find the whole concept to be moronic. Punches and notches just to make the screen ~8.9mm taller, and that ~8.9 mm isn't actually usable screen, its just there so manufacturers and consumers can brag about a bigger screen and get closer to 100% screen to body ratio. Until they make a camera module that works through a screen, like the S10 fingerprint sensor, I think they should just leave thin forehead to accommodate the camera.

I also realize that I am in the super minority here.

I can take a notch if it is not too wide and the screen either side is black (notch colour) and dedicated to status info.

 

[burgman]

The adapter has usb and Lightening but not a head phone output so you need another adapter or or a different rig but the point is..with older iPad or iPhones its not a problem.
Some of us would like the horsepower of the new iPads or iPhones for running synths and not have to bring
a bunch of adapters. So is it thousands of people that would like the headphone jack back or millions,
no idea but a lot of musicians, DJ's and performers.

Uhh the lightening to headphone adapter for newer iPhones is what I’m talking about. I have heard your connection complaints from other musicians at work, using older devices. My question is, given the popularity of iPads in music production there has to be a solution. Just asked, those that have upgraded use a DAC and are happy. Most laughed, given how much equipment they carry to gigs about two small adapters.

 

[realtuner]

The adapter has usb and Lightening but not a head phone output so you need another adapter or or a different rig but the point is..with older iPad or iPhones its not a problem.
Some of us would like the horsepower of the new iPads or iPhones for running synths and not have to bring
a bunch of adapters. So is it thousands of people that would like the headphone jack back or millions,
no idea but a lot of musicians, DJ's and performers.

Everyone I know who does anything music related on iOS devices would have an I/O interface. A single Lightning connection to your iPhone/iPad can give you headphone, line in/out or MIDI. Lots to choose from with different combinations depending on what you do.

I don't see why anyone would need a "bunch" of adapters.

 

[ColdShadow]

That’s my view of the totality of innovation in the s10. The remainder is incremental improvements.

As far as the Xs, IMO, the neural engine, smart hdr, dynamic range videos are innovation. Your personal benchmark of innovation may characterize them differently.

let's check the definition of innovation in dictionary one more time..and see who's interpretation is closer to the actual meaning?
or maybe refer to general opinion and ratings of users/reviewers/blogs and see if they are more impressed about features and innovations of S10 or Xs?
because if one person is biased, they can only see what they want and ignore the rest.
I'm not biased,I own dozens of Apple products, but when I see another brand making something great and in many ways better,I will say that.and this is the case when comparing S10 and Xs.

 

[I7guy]

You’re like an STD. Annoying to get and hard to get rid off. That said, all your opinions are based on assumptions and those assumptions are really outdated. You think Apple has the upper hand in customer satisfaction, but going from my own experience with Apple computers lately and reading the experiences of others, it’s hard to belief. Besides that is that Apple’s eco of services is more of an handicap than it brings you any benefits when living outside the USA. Many services don’t work or are half baked compared to what’s on the market already. Apple Pay still doesn’t work, Maps is a disaster compared to google maps, iCloud is very limited and Siri is a complete joke. Together with very stagnant development it’s nothing to brag about.

The total landscape of Apple is way overdue and way overpriced. Areas as user friendliness or other areas they excelled in have gotten overhauled by the competition. They have lost the education almost completely and the video and creative industry as well.

I feel sorry for your students getting brainwashed by a teacher with assumptions and opinions from the past. Not only are you forcing them to use overpriced hardware but take away the chance to use the best educational experience as well. When you were up to date and more open to facts, you could save yourself and your students a lot of money and do something with that saved money what every student deserves namely the best unbiased educational experience possible.

But you know the saying.... teachers are stubborn by nature

You're entitled to your opinion, but the universe is against you. You're entitled to say apple made $84B products off the backs of fans who just bought mediocre products. But all of that doesn't really matter. Does it? You can buy what you want and say what you want. And surprisingly, after all of the Apple is doomed discussions, it still managed $84B last quarter. That's why ASP, revenue, profits are important. To counter the Apple is "going to the dogs" rhetoric that is fairly pervasive and yet doesn't seem to represent reality.

let's check the definition of innovation in dictionary one more time..and see who's interpretation is closer to the actual meaning?
or maybe refer to general opinion and ratings of users/reviewers/blogs and see if they are more impressed about features and innovations of S10 or Xs?
because if one person is biased, they can only see what they want and ignore the rest.
I'm not biased,I own dozens of Apple products, but when I see another brand making something great and in many ways better,I will say that.and this is the case when comparing S10 and Xs.

A great product is not necessarily innovative. Nor can you say a crappy product doesn't contain any innovation. And since bias was brought up, that word is in line my proposal of having a personal definition of innovation.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...lds-most-innovative-company-rankings.2170698/

While one can debate the methodology and even the veracity of this site, where is Samsung? So I agree about seeing what "they" want and ignoring the rest. It happens all too frequently; bias is very insidious.

 

[Abazigal]

I feel sorry for your students getting brainwashed by a teacher with assumptions and opinions from the past. Not only are you forcing them to use overpriced hardware but take away the chance to use the best educational experience as well. When you were up to date and more open to facts, you could save yourself and your students a lot of money and do something with that saved money what every student deserves namely the best unbiased educational experience possible.

But you know the saying.... teachers are stubborn by nature

I have no idea why you keep parroting this line.

I am the only one in my school who uses an iPad to teach in my school. Everything is paid for out of my own pocket, and it’s entirety out of my own volition because an iPad works better for my work needs compared to anything else out there.

My students use windows laptops which they purchase on their own. My school doesn’t use any Macs, and while we have a small trove of iPads, it’s more reserved for the younger students who don’t yet have their own laptops (and the teachers tend to prefer them because they are easier for the students to handle).

When have I never said that I am forcing my beliefs on my students and making them use overpriced hardware against their will?

 

[Abazigal]

You’re like an STD. Annoying to get and hard to get rid off.

Thank you.

That said, all your opinions are based on assumptions and those assumptions are really outdated. You think Apple has the upper hand in customer satisfaction, but going from my own experience with Apple computers lately and reading the experiences of others, it’s hard to belief. Besides that is that Apple’s eco of services is more of an handicap than it brings you any benefits when living outside the USA. Many services don’t work or are half baked compared to what’s on the market already. Apple Pay still doesn’t work, Maps is a disaster compared to google maps, iCloud is very limited and Siri is a complete joke. Together with very stagnant development it’s nothing to brag about.

It’s based on my personal experience, and I like how you are basically claiming that my experiences are invalid by attempting to override them with your own.

Also, what you started is a clear oversimplification. What is more likely the case is that Apple’s services is unevenly spread out across the globe.

For example, here in Singapore, I get Apple Pay pretty much working in most stores I go to, and maps is good enough to get me to where I need to go. I use Siri, shortcuts and Siri shortcuts multiple times a day and it works great for me. My photos are synced via iCloud and I enjoy a decent selection of songs via Apple Music (I opted for it over Spotify back then because it had a wider selection of Kpop music at the time). The only features I don’t get are news, TV app, Apple Pay cash and the ECG feature of the Apple Watch. We even got our first Apple store a couple of years back where I can do my shopping and get product support if needed.

That Apple’s services might suck in some other country is irrelevant to how I experience and enjoy them right here in my country.

 

[mib1800]

Thank you.



It’s based on my personal experience, and I like how you are basically claiming that my experiences are invalid by attempting to override them with your own.

Also, what you started is a clear oversimplification. What is more likely the case is that Apple’s services is unevenly spread out across the globe.

For example, here in Singapore, I get Apple Pay pretty much working in most stores I go to, and maps is good enough to get me to where I need to go. I use Siri, shortcuts and Siri shortcuts multiple times a day and it works great for me. My photos are synced via iCloud and I enjoy a decent selection of songs via Apple Music (I opted for it over Spotify back then because it had a wider selection of Kpop music at the time). The only features I don’t get are news, TV app, Apple Pay cash and the ECG feature of the Apple Watch. We even got our first Apple store a couple of years back where I can do my shopping and get product support if needed.

That Apple’s services might suck in some other country is irrelevant to how I experience and enjoy them right here in my country.

You can get the same experience with s10 as well. It is not like apple is the only one having an eco-system. But unlike others apple is the only eco-system that ties overpriced hardware to it.

Why should anyone give credence to apple eco-system which the main attraction is to lock you in and milk you with over-priced hardware? Compared this to other eco-systems that tries to attract you by competing to offer you the best in services and software innovation.

 

[I7guy]

You can get the same experience with s10 as well. It is not like apple is the only one having an eco-system. But unlike others apple is the only eco-system that ties overpriced hardware to it.

Why should anyone give credence to apple eco-system which the main attraction is to lock you in and milk you with over-priced hardware? Compared this to other eco-systems that tries to attract you by competing to offer you the best in services and software innovation.

Well apple’s revenues to the tune of almost $84b, show that’s some apple customers don’t share your “opinion”.

 

[mib1800]

Well apple’s revenues to the tune of almost $84b, show that’s some apple customers don’t share your “opinion”.

Hence the milking continues...