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Gives you an idea how far ahead Apple is in unit sales. 40-45M units for their flagships?

Apple sells 215M iPhones at an ASP of $769.

Also, growth over the S9 is practically meaningless since the S9 was a complete dud. It had better grow over the S9.
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The finger print sensor wins the day in my book... enough for me to actually be considering switching from my current 6s Plus.
I'm not a fan of Face ID on any device and Apples take on the technology is cumbersome.
So you don’t own an iPhone with Face ID yet you say you don’t like it and it’s cumbersome?

Quite the opposite, really.
 
For everyone who is worried about this news, Apple will still release a new iPhone this September and you will still want it.

I haven't wanted a new iPhone since the 6s plus.

Every iPhone design since then has had downgraded features for a higher price.
 
As much as I support your argument, you're bringing a weights savings of 17-18 grams into an argument as if it means something in the long run. That's just over three nickels.

20 grams, not 17-18. And on something that weighs 157g, that 20 grams is not insignificant from an engineering standpoint.

When Apple gimped the MBP's the apologists were bragging about a much smaller weight savings as percentage of overall weight vs the competition. And my point was the S10 is hardly gimped to save weight, it has a larger screen and larger battery in the lighter package.
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I haven't wanted a new iPhone since the 6s plus.

Every iPhone design since then has had downgraded features for a higher price.

The 6S plus was the last one to have a headphone jack. I agree with you each newer model has had such a small improvement and downgrades so much you lose more than you gain. And the price hikes each time.
 
On average, the iPhone XS 64GB costs €1259 in EU ($1423 + Tax). Galaxy S10 6.1 128GB costs €899 ($1016 + tax).

That’s unbelievable, the S10 is literally better in every way (except personal preferences) and €360 ($400) cheaper!

Maybe that’s the reason android has a market share of almost 80% in the EU :p
 
On average, the iPhone XS 64GB costs €1259 in EU ($1423 + Tax). Galaxy S10 6.1 128GB costs €899 ($1016 + tax).

That’s unbelievable, the S10 is literally better in every way (except personal preferences) and €360 ($400) cheaper!

Maybe that’s the reason android has a market share of almost 80% in the EU :p
No, it's not better in every way, and the phone isn't that much more expensive over here at least. The reason why Android has an 80% market share in Europe isn't because everyone is buying the Galaxy phones (in case you haven't noticed, Samsung sales have been hammered in recent years much more than Apple), it's because they're buying the really cheap Android phones.
 
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I have a simple 4 digit password on my iPad because I never take it out of my house, and I sincerely find it a lot of the time easier to use that than my fingerprint scanner. The muscle memory that you have to develop to use a Fingerprint ID just feels foreign and clunky after a time. Remember, I only have to open my iPad a fraction of the number of times that I have to open a phone so using the password really isn't a problem and I don't see the point anymore in muscle memorying Touch ID anymore. I'd say I use my password about 60% of the time.

You've never used Face ID so you really have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of people who've gotten used to Face ID hate going back to the home button on other devices.
Just wondering how entering a 4 digital code is easier than touch id?
 
How is it that the Galaxy S10e weighs as much as an iPhone 8 but has the screen size of a XS?
 
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Actually you’re wrong. I’ve had every iPhone with Touch ID for the exception of the SE versions and the iPhone 8. I’ve had the iPhone X and XS Max. I could tell you without a doubt, Face ID is more convenient and easier to use than Touch ID. Also the notch is almost invisible, what I mean by that is you only notice it when you think about it.

Remember when some phones had their brand name or carrier brand name on the front of the phone? Ugly. That's how it is with the notch.
 
It's probably tough to get a real read on these preorder numbers. At one time I had 3 pre-orders active, as new and better deals were revealed over the week. All of these orders were for 2 phones each. So, for a time, I had preorders in for 6 phones. I have to think I'm not the only one.

I've cancelled all but the one from Best Buy. Taking advantage of the Verizon "BOGO" offer (actually a $750 discount that I applied to the S10), the Samsung $550 trade in on my son's S9 ($50 more than I paid for it), Best Buy's $50 per phone discount, free Galaxy buds. I think there is another promo that I'm missing. All told, I think it was around $400ish for the 2 phones after promos and trading in my son's S9.

I posted all of that to say, there are so many deals on this phone right now, that the numbers are hard to interpret, and it wouldn't surprise me if many of the pre-order folks had multiple orders in.

I am leaving the Apple ecosystem for the first time in 23 years. I work in an OR where I always have a mask on, so FaceID doesn't work for me there. In my ideal world, there would be both Apple's FaceID and Samsung's in-screen Touch ID, but I have to have Touch ID and I'm tired of using this POS iPhone 7. The battery life is horrendous, even though it's a brand new phone.

You can program an alternate appearance with FaceID. I use it for when I’m wearing my motorcycle helmet — it’s great to not have to take my gloves off if I’m stopped on the road or something. You could use it with your masked face, just fyi.
 
No, it's not better in every way, and the phone isn't that much more expensive over here at least. The reason why Android has an 80% market share in Europe isn't because everyone is buying the Galaxy phones (in case you haven't noticed, Samsung sales have been hammered in recent years much more than Apple), it's because they're buying the really cheap Android phones.
Samsung galaxy ownership is quite high in the UK. About the same as the iPhone.
 
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No, it's not better in every way, and the phone isn't that much more expensive over here at least. The reason why Android has an 80% market share in Europe isn't because everyone is buying the Galaxy phones (in case you haven't noticed, Samsung sales have been hammered in recent years much more than Apple), it's because they're buying the really cheap Android phones.

The S10 has better camera, better screen, larger battery, fingerprint sensor, faster charging, reverse wireless charging, 128GB standard, micro SD, headphones jack and €360 ($400) cheaper than the iPhone XS.

In EU people are buying android flagship phones, because they are significantly cheaper and offer no less features than iPhones...
 
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For everyone who is worried about this news, Apple will still release a new iPhone this September and you will still want it.

That hasn't been true for me since the iPhone 3Gs. But I also haven't wanted a Samsung anymore since the Galaxy Note 4.

I now buy Xiaomi. More bang for the buck. Looking at what you guys are willing to pay for a gadget with a two year life span, I save around a thousand bucks and don't miss out ob anything. But everybody feel free to spend your money on over-priced toys. I'm sure the new emojis are worth it. :)
 
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What are the distinguishing features on a phone these days? The S10 has a better camera system, better and larger screen -- without being a larger phone, so the S10 has a better screen to body ratio, more RAM, 8-core CPU, more base storage, fingerprint sensor under the screen, dual sim cards without resorting to apple's eSim cop-out which doesn't seem well supported. The galaxy is about 1/8th lighter despite having a larger battery. No notch and less elongated screen for even more screen real estate (which is exacerbated on the iPhone by the notch). A headphone jack (and since you're free to use wireless headphones and the S10 is waterproof, there is zero reason to say not having a headphone jack is better in any way). A mircoSD slot (and same point, if you don't like it, don't use it).

And the S10 is significantly cheaper.

And before the fanatics start calling me a Samsung shill, let me be clear I don't like Samsung or Android -- the privacy and data protection issues are much more important than features imo. My current phone is an iPhone XR, and I wouldn't recommend Android to anyone. But it's very important for Apple users to understand just where Apple stands and how low-quality and behind the times their overpriced phones really way.
First off, I find the camera systems on all of these phones to be really overrated. I can't remember the last time someone on any system sent me a photo that just blew me away. The photos I took with my iPhone 6 5 years ago hold up very well with the photos I take with my X or the photos my Galaxy or Pixel friends send me. It's not like the early teens when the cameras were making huge leaps every year. So maybe they've figured out some way of taking photos that's way better than the photos everyone else is taking or more likely they're just doing the same incremental improvements reviewers and commenters often overhype. (And of course, in 6 months Apple will come out with a camera system that if trends hold, will be incrementally better than the Galaxy phones.)

The screen to body ratio is really incredibly slight and I would say overblown (if it was such a big deal Galaxy and Note phones would have flown off the shelves last year.) I'd also add that once you put a case on your phone, even those differences pretty much disappear. The S10 has an 8 core processor, which according to some testing I saw tonight gives it a slight edge when it comes to multi core processing vs last year's A12 but it's still far behind in single core processing. I don't really see where the RAM offers it much of a meaningful advantage in real use. Being lighter is nice, but in real terms, you're talking about less than an ounce. How many people in this country at least care about dual sim card readers? I don't really have any problems with the notch, and I personally prefer it to Samsung's hole which of course also limits the amount of usable space on the phone as they have to come up with ways of hiding that.

Samsung is part of a dwindling group of high end phone companies that still support a headphone jack and so I imagine the number of people who really care about that is a dwindling number. Most people I know use whatever headphones come with their phones.

I honestly don't see where anyone who's used Face ID would rather have a fingerprint sensor.

The XR pretty much costs the same as the base S10. I know a lot of people want to dump on the XR's screen, but I know lots of people with XRs and their screens look pretty much as good as my X screen. The Apple phones seem to be around $100 more than the Galaxy phones, but while that seems significant, I think it was a bigger difference back when people were trading in their phones every 1-2 years. Given the fact that Apple can be expected to support an iPhone for up to 6 years versus God knows how long for a Galaxy, one could make a strong argument the iPhone is less expensive.

2-3 years ago there was a yawning gap between the hardware of an iPhone and the top Samsung phones. That gap is mostly if not entirely gone now though I'm sure lots of Android sheep will jump on me over this. Much of the edge this phone has is due to the fact that it's 6 months newer than the iPhone models are.

The big thing about all of these phones is the big phones are all really pretty terrific hardware wise with few meaningful differences between them. Apple will probably at some point have to come down in price, but so will Samsung, Google, and all of the other high end phone makers.
 
For everyone who is worried about this news, Apple will still release a new iPhone this September and you will still want it.
I won't. I bought an iPhone X in 2018 and I'll be disappointed if it doesn't last me at least five years. I had an iPhone 6 before that and only gave it up because I changed employers and they wanted it back.

I'd be hard pushed to say what the X gives me over the 6 (all the parts are better but the whole is much the same), so I'm not expecting much for the next couple of years.
 
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Thankfully, most of us don't want to live in an echo chamber like you. If you cannot comprehend why news about iPhone's competition is relevant and interesting to iPhone fans, there's just nothing to do but let you enjoy your own ignorance.
There aren’t enough words to describe how wrong you are. And you’re simplistic echo chamber argument indicates you wouldn’t understand anyway. In case somebody is truly interested in understanding Apple’s competition, at least get your knowledge from an expert.

http://asymco.com
 
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First off, I find the camera systems on all of these phones to be really overrated. I can't remember the last time someone on any system sent me a photo that just blew me away..

I did read your entire post and I won't reply point to point only because every single thing you addressed amounts to "yeah the S10 is a bit better in that respect but I don't care about that feature" or "the S10 is a bit better in that respect but it doesn't really matter". For example, your dual sim card comment, you believe few people in your country would use it. But having the second slot literally costs you nothing, it's just there. Don't use it if you don't want it. For anyone who travels, it's literally a reason by itself to decide which phone you want. I carry 2 phones when I travel, it's a nuisance that Apple inflicts on their customers for no reason. I can also get very cheap data-only plans in my country intended for tablets and very cheap prepaid voice-only plans intended for luddites. But traditional smartphone plans are very expensive and still tied to phone subsidies. Dual sim would let me split my service across 2 plans and in 2 years I'd save the price difference for an Xs Max vs and S10. What possible reason is there not to include a dual sim. Your belief that most people wouldn't use it is not a reason to not include a feature with zero downside.

The point is there are just so many ways the S10 does beat the iPhone that it's ridiculous. Each of the things you dismiss so casually as not mattering is a reason to buy an S10 over an iPhone for some group of people. And there's no reason for it other than Apple is milking their customers to squeeze short term profit at the expense of user experience. These are not features where it's the Samsung way or the Apple way. They're all something present on Samsung and a giant vacuum on Apple.

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There aren’t enough words to describe how wrong you are. And you’re simplistic echo chamber argument indicates you wouldn’t understand anyway. In case somebody is truly interested in understanding Apple’s competition, at least get your knowledge from an expert.

Well there seem to be plenty of people enjoying the discussion here proving you wrong. If you're so dead-set against even acknowledging the existence of anything non-Apple, there's about a dozen Apple-only threads from today on the homepage for your pleasure.
 
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Still with the headphone jack?

Apple includes a wired pair for no charge. BT works fine. There is an adapter if you really need it.

Anyway, for me---not an issue, but to each their own I suppose.

BT works fine if you want sub-par audio quality. Suppose you have 16/24 bit audio on your iPhone. Then what? The iPhone does not even support aptX-HD so that you can stream HD tracks.
 
Cheaper? Cook would rather the company go bankrupt than reduce the price of any product by even $1.

If anything, lower sales = even bigger price increases in the future.

The cheapest Mac laptop used to be $999 in Canada. Now it’s $1,500. Apple has gone insane.
Wow, I didn’t realize that the value of the Canadian dollar had fallen so drastically. That really is insane. But why blame Apple?

btw, you have some nerve complaining about C$1,500 lol. That’s only USD1,115 after the currency conversion—almost USD100 cheaper than the MacBook Air is here in the US, which is USD1,199. If it were priced at the correct exchange rate, it would be over C$1,600.

Before the MBA got upgraded with the retina screen, TouchID and force touch trackpad, it was USD999. But with your weak dollar, that would still be C$1,350 today. Sure, wasn’t it awesome back in 2012 when the Canadian dollar was so strong it was actually more valuable than the US dollar. You could have bought that USD999 MacBook Air for possibly as little as C$950. But that extra C$400 is not on Apple. Blame your own government if you want someone to blame.

And re: your first point, Apple has cut prices, including in China, and by much more than $1. They’ve also cut prices in countries that have been affected by the strong US dollar—apparently including Canada.
 
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The Xs Max is the first "face id" phone i have had, and i really miss touch id. If both were available it would be great, faceID alone doesnt cut it. Everytime i want to see what time it is when i wake up in the night i have to hoover my face above the phone laying next to me, thats SUPER annoying. Previously i just had to place my finger and i could see what time it is.

So - FaceID alone as a solution has been a clear decline in user friendliness seen from my point of view. Under screen fingerprint sensor in addition would be nice.

Not saying im going for Android or anything like that, but they sure have some awesome hardware, and in many cases superior to Apple. (besides cpu's, noone will beat apple there)
 
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I work in an OR where I always have a mask on, so FaceID doesn't work for me there.
In OR you should have gloves which makes fingerprint useless anyway, and oh...in an OR please leave your phone off!
 
The facial recognition on the S10 is garbage. It's easily bypassed.

...and of course that really matters to no one, it may come as a shock to you but even 90% of IOS devices in use don’t have FaceID....run for the hills
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Just get some AirPods. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’ll be good to go wireless. I’ve had to replace the wire on my headphones once, and they need replacing again. I will wait to see if AirPods 2 come out at the end of March. As for Face ID, I’m glad I don’t have to keep cleaning my finger to use my phone

So you never touch it?
 
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