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And also them throwing in free galaxy buds with preorders definitely helped with the numbers.

Sometimes if the products don’t sell themselves you gotta throw something in to sweeten the deal, and it’s working.
 
You should not be touching your phone when you are driving, so your argument for Touch ID over Face ID is a non-starter. Sorry friend.
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That's fine for him. Completely understandable from a boredom perspective. It's good that he'll gain experience with other devices. That will let him make a more informed decision next time, rather than just going with what's cool or different for the sake of it.

We need to remember that sometimes a phone is a productivity driver for a lot of people. I would be completely lost if I switched platforms. It would be a lot more work to setup and configure an Android phone to do what my iPhone does for me.
I seriously wonder how many people who come on here to post that they're switching are really switching. It's one of the more tiresome poses people make on boards like this.
 
I know the new Samsungs are impressive, and I’m glad to see them elevating the game, but there just is nothing on the Android market tempting enough to leave iOS and all of the benefits of the Apple ecosystem, at least for me personally. I’m already looking forward to the XS replacement this Fall.

Android is so superior to ios / way more possibilities and a really good notification center
 
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I'm not going to argue with you about that, I actually agree. But to think that what Samsung is doing is irrelevant to Apple and and iPhone is idiocy.
It's true that whatever happens in the Android world usually filters back to Apple and vice versa. But there's nothing really new or interesting in these phones.
 
It has nothing to do with "echo chambers" or "ignorance" at all for me. It has everything to do with privacy and the fact that I will never trust my data to either Samsung or Google regardless of what so called amazing features their phones have. To each their own I say.

I agree with you, and that's why I don't and won't own anything Google or Samsung. But, what kind of head-in-the-sand ignorance do you want to have? You don't even care to know what features and options are out there, you just want to remain blind and only see what Apple's marketing department wants to show you? How can you not thing that's dumb ignorance?

You're living with an echo-chamber because all you're willing to hear is echo's of your own belief that only Apple matters.
 
LOL, the same people creaming their pants over the ultrasonic fingertip detection were the ones who thought that moving the fingerprint sensor to the back of the phone was a good idea (the main thing the ultrasonic fingerprint sensor really does it lets you move the sensor to the front of the phone). These are the same people who don't get how much better Face ID is than fingerprint readers, but then of course they love 2013 tech in new clothes. As for the new screen, Samsung's shaved a couple of mms off the bezels while leaving a gaping hole in the front while the cameras are at best an incremental improvement.

Of course, the Android fanboys are trapped in the Google reality distortion field, and so they're super excited about this phone.
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If people aren't intelligent enough to grasp how much better Face ID is at this point, there's nothing anyone can say to reach them. The Touch ID crowd are either people so completely set in their ways they won't change (and for the most part, those people aren't on here) or people so committed to the Android ideology in which everything about Android is better than everything about Apple there's nothing one can do to reach them. The Android fanboys who are enraptured with fingerprint sensors are the same people who last year thought putting the sensors on the back of the phone was a great idea.

The only really good argument I've read for the superiority of fingerprint scanners is the one someone posted about how so many people in Asia wear masks over their faces for health reasons. Look, when I read that Samsung had iris scanners, I thought that was amazing until I found out how insecure they were.

If face id is so cool, why not implement it where it makes sense / in the mac! There it would work really magically and naturally / in the iphone its another story - and its a safety risk too
 
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Totally agree. I also still have my 6s (last iPhone series with an audio jack). It really irritates me Apple eliminated the audio jack and the fingerprint sensor. They came up with a bunch of lame excuses like water resistance, etc., but Samsung is having no problem advancing their phone while keeping a fingerprint sensor and audio jack.
Just get some AirPods. I’ve come to the conclusion that it’ll be good to go wireless. I’ve had to replace the wire on my headphones once, and they need replacing again. I will wait to see if AirPods 2 come out at the end of March. As for Face ID, I’m glad I don’t have to keep cleaning my finger to use my phone
 
This should put some pressure on Apple to release better phones at lower prices.
What about these phones is better than what Apple is releasing? The only real improvement is maybe the 3rd camera (I tend to think the camera improvements on the new phones are way overhyped), and even that Apple is widely reported to be adopting in the fall.
 
No way I am giving up my iPhone any time soon, but Samsung pre-order shipments on the increase and iPhone sales on the decrease … does not sound good.

Agreed. What the blind fanatics don't get is that Apple's position in the phone market is a cliff. Once people start turning away, it will be too late to fix it with a cheaper and more feature-rich phone. Just ask Blackberry and Nokia about that. They both owned the phone market in their day and lost it almost overnight though their own arrogance.

But they tame the hardcore zealots here wake up that there actually is a problem, Apple will be last year's news.
 
Its all a matter of tradeoffs, i work in an office environment where my phone is laying on my desk all day, Facial unlock is useless in this situation, hence i'm so glad to have the In Screen FPS AND Facial unlock. (Yes i know facial unlock isn't that secure but its fine for the office and all apps thats need security use the FPS like Banking apps)
I can't think of when I have unlocked my phone without looking at my phone or my watch. It seems with this scanner in the S10 that you are going to have to look at the screen in order to unlock it anyway (I don't recall anything that helps guide you to where the fingerprint scanner is). I also don't see how useful it was with the scanner on the back of the phone.
 
I can't think of when I have unlocked my phone without looking at my phone or my watch. It seems with this scanner in the S10 that you are going to have to look at the screen in order to unlock it anyway (I don't recall anything that helps guide you to where the fingerprint scanner is). I also don't see how useful it was with the scanner on the back of the phone.
Well i've been using it all day on my desk, it's very easy to learn where to place your finger. Obviously you have not even tried it. The scanner on the back was a pita, hence why the in screen FPS is such a big deal to anybody who isn't bias.
 
Agreed. What the blind fanatics don't get is that Apple's position in the phone market is a cliff. Once people start turning away, it will be too late to fix it with a cheaper and more feature-rich phone. Just ask Blackberry and Nokia about that. They both owned the phone market in their day and lost it almost overnight though their own arrogance.

But they tame the hardcore zealots here wake up that there actually is a problem, Apple will be last year's news.
LOL, the real big fanatics I see on here are the Android zealots. This is just another silly Android sheep comment.

There's a certain irony in posting this complaint about expensive iPhones in a story about an expensive Android phone.
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Well i've been using it all day on my desk, it's very easy to learn where to place your finger. Obviously you have not even tried it.
LOL, if you could read accurately I would believe your comment more. I just said I can't think of a time when I have used my phone without looking at it or my watch. It's also kind of silly thinking that anyone who is using Face ID hasn't used a fingerprint scanner. I've used both and I recognize how much better Face ID is than a fingerprint scanner. Hell, I've got a fingerprint scanner on my iPad, and I use my password on it more than I use the scanner because I can't stand fingerprint scanners at this point.
 
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Face ID isn't as secure as you think it is. The system has trouble in low light conditions and people who look approximately to one another. My older sibling has got a decade on me. I can unlock his phone, an XS, with my face in low-light conditions, artificial or not. We vaguely look alike. Earlier this year, a Federal judge made a ruling on Face and Touch ID in relation to 5A. I suspect that ruling will roll around for years. You want ultimate security? Set up a PIN.

Both Android and iOS will wipe the phone with enough bad attempts.

I myself have twin children. Identical twins. I suspect if facial recognition is still a thing when they're old enough to have cell phones, they likely won't use such an insecure system.

And by then, no amount of plastic surgery or botox will help me fool whatever system is in play then. And, for the record, Apple bought Face ID tech.
 
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And also them throwing in free galaxy buds with preorders definitely helped with the numbers.

Sometimes if the products don’t sell themselves you gotta throw something in to sweeten the deal, and it’s working.
It seems like last year the Galaxy sales started off well before falling off a cliff.
 
What about these phones is better than what Apple is releasing? The only real improvement is maybe the 3rd camera (I tend to think the camera improvements on the new phones are way overhyped), and even that Apple is widely reported to be adopting in the fall.

What are the distinguishing features on a phone these days? The S10 has a better camera system, better and larger screen -- without being a larger phone, so the S10 has a better screen to body ratio, more RAM, 8-core CPU, more base storage, fingerprint sensor under the screen, dual sim cards without resorting to apple's eSim cop-out which doesn't seem well supported. The galaxy is about 1/8th lighter despite having a larger battery. No notch and less elongated screen for even more screen real estate (which is exacerbated on the iPhone by the notch). A headphone jack (and since you're free to use wireless headphones and the S10 is waterproof, there is zero reason to say not having a headphone jack is better in any way). A mircoSD slot (and same point, if you don't like it, don't use it).

And the S10 is significantly cheaper.

And before the fanatics start calling me a Samsung shill, let me be clear I don't like Samsung or Android -- the privacy and data protection issues are much more important than features imo. My current phone is an iPhone XR, and I wouldn't recommend Android to anyone. But it's very important for Apple users to understand just where Apple stands and how low-quality and behind the times their overpriced phones really way.
 
LOL, the real big fanatics I see on here are the Android zealots. This is just another silly Android sheep comment.

There's a certain irony in posting this complaint about expensive iPhones in a story about an expensive Android phone.
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LOL, if you could read accurately I would believe your comment more. I just said I can't think of a time when I have used my phone without looking at it or my watch. It's also kind of silly thinking that anyone who is using Face ID hasn't used a fingerprint scanner. I've used both and I recognize how much better Face ID is than a fingerprint scanner. Hell, I've got a fingerprint scanner on my iPad, and I use my password on it more than I use the scanner because I can't stand fingerprint scanners at this point.
You use a password over the FPS, ok you lost all credibility with that cracker of a comment. Have a good day. Oh and read what i wrote properly, you are the one that has an issue with comprehension.
 
Face ID isn't as secure as you think it is. The system has trouble in low light conditions and people who look approximately to one another. My older sibling is in his 50s. I can unlock his phone with my face. We vaguely look alike.
I don't know how accurate your comment is. I do know my brother who looks like my brother can't unlock my phone. I also know that it works in absolutely every light condition including pitch dark (it can't get any lower light than pitch dark). I think there are some conditions with certain kind of bright lights where it doesn't work (I have in 15 months yet to experience that) but there are far more situations where I had a problem with fingerprint scanners. I'd also add that fingerprint scanners are even less secure.

Someone pointed out when Face ID came out if the only people who can unlock your phone are close relatives, you have deeper problems than phone security if you have to worry about that. What you really want with security is to buy yourself a few hours so that if you lose your phone or its stolen you have enough time to secure everything that's on it.
 
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The galaxy is about 1/8th lighter despite having a larger battery.
As much as I support your argument, you're bringing a weights savings of 17-18 grams into an argument as if it means something in the long run. That's just over three nickels.
 
I don't know how accurate your comment is. I do know my brother who looks like my brother can't unlock my phone. I also know that it works in absolutely every light condition including pitch dark (it can't get any lower light than pitch dark). I think there are some conditions with certain kind of bright lights where it doesn't work (I have in 15 months yet to experience that) but there are far more situations where I had a problem with fingerprint scanners. I'd also add that fingerprint scanners are even less secure.

Someone pointed out when Face ID came out if the only people who can unlock your phone are close relatives, you have deeper problems than phone security if you have to worry about that. What you really want with security is to buy yourself a few hours so that if you lose your phone or its stolen you have enough time to secure everything that's on it.
My brother is in his mid-late 50s. I can unlock his phone in low light. We vaguely resemble one another. My point was I'd still trust a PIN, which can vary in length from 4-32 characters over Face ID or any scan technology. I own two S9s; one for person use and one for work. I hold precious data on my work S9. If my S9 had Apple's exact Face ID system, I still wouldn't trust it over a PIN. IIRC max length for Samsung is 16 characters/numbers. Android can be compiled to hold 100 characters.

At the end of the day, I wouldn't trust a system that can be fooled in certain conditions.
 
You use a password over the FPS, ok you lost all credibility with that cracker of a comment. Have a good day.
I have a simple 4 digit password on my iPad because I never take it out of my house, and I sincerely find it a lot of the time easier to use that than my fingerprint scanner. The muscle memory that you have to develop to use a Fingerprint ID just feels foreign and clunky after a time. Remember, I only have to open my iPad a fraction of the number of times that I have to open a phone so using the password really isn't a problem and I don't see the point anymore in muscle memorying Touch ID anymore. I'd say I use my password about 60% of the time.

You've never used Face ID so you really have no idea what you're talking about. Lots of people who've gotten used to Face ID hate going back to the home button on other devices.
 
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