Please have onboard 10Gb Ethernet with built in RJ45 connector. As an IT admin BUILTIN RJ45 very important. Walking around office with dongle hanging out in embarrassing...we’ll for me anyway.
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Kuo: iPad Pro With Rear 3D ToF Camera and Scissor Mechanism MacBooks to Launch in First Half of 2020
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Ah yes, by then my MacBook Pro will be 7 years old... and I would be an absolute idiot to buy one now due to the horrible keyboards and all the other quality problems. I mean I'd be okay paying say, a quarter of the asking price for the current MacBook Pros, because that's roughly how much they're worth since you have to pretty much throw them out after a year or so and they still crash thanks to the built in T2 chip (seriously, what is that thing for anyway, besides crashing?).
But maybe waiting for the next MacBook Pro that has a "new" (i.e. new for Apple but actually 20 year old) keyboard design is the stupid thing? I'm starting to think that actually waiting for any Apple computer is retarded. Despite returning to older technology, instead of lowering the price, they'll just raise the price even more, despite the prices already being absolutely ridiculous and unjustified. They'll deliver a product that fails in new and unexpected ways due to how badly it's manufactured, it will get a repairability score of -2, they won't give you more than 1 year of warranty by default, they'll make you pay extra for 2 more years of warranty after which you're completely on your own, they will refuse to fix things until they get sued 10 times after which they'll announce a repair program for "a very very VERY small number of very very unfortunate users". And if you want to use your computer for more than 4 years, then even the repair program won't apply to you anymore.
Do we actually want this? Honestly, I hate Windows, but I also hate this.
But maybe waiting for the next MacBook Pro that has a "new" (i.e. new for Apple but actually 20 year old) keyboard design is the stupid thing? I'm starting to think that actually waiting for any Apple computer is retarded. Despite returning to older technology, instead of lowering the price, they'll just raise the price even more, despite the prices already being absolutely ridiculous and unjustified. They'll deliver a product that fails in new and unexpected ways due to how badly it's manufactured, it will get a repairability score of -2, they won't give you more than 1 year of warranty by default, they'll make you pay extra for 2 more years of warranty after which you're completely on your own, they will refuse to fix things until they get sued 10 times after which they'll announce a repair program for "a very very VERY small number of very very unfortunate users". And if you want to use your computer for more than 4 years, then even the repair program won't apply to you anymore.
Do we actually want this? Honestly, I hate Windows, but I also hate this.
Everyone knows the butterfly keyboards were badly engineered & flawed. Hence the change.
I wish they would make some of this stuff optional. I really don't want to have to pay an extra $500 for camera features I will never use.
How big can the market for this possibly be with iPad Pro users???
How big can the market for this possibly be with iPad Pro users???
You know, I've had a butterfly keyboard since almost the day they were announced and have had absolutely ZERO problems with it. I wish it had slightly longer key travel, but that's it. Now that obviously hasn't been everyone's experience, and they've certainly needed to move on from it, but it wasn't like EVERYONE that used one had it fail.
Apple isn't retrofitting it.
Your butterfly keyboard will still work. (Well, you know...)
For sure if there is a meeting this November they will not announce only the MacBook Pro 16”, the rest being CPU updates for Macs.
Without wanting jinx myself.... I actually quite like the butterfly keyboard for typing now I've adjusted to it.
Assuming this 4th gen one holds up and doesn't actually break, the only problem with the keyboard is the up/down arrow keys which I will never adjust to and is horrible.
Also the Touch Bar, it's well useful! However, everyone is right though, a physical escape key would be a better solution for that one key, although I've adjusted to it a lot better than the up/down arrows.
Assuming this 4th gen one holds up and doesn't actually break, the only problem with the keyboard is the up/down arrow keys which I will never adjust to and is horrible.
Also the Touch Bar, it's well useful! However, everyone is right though, a physical escape key would be a better solution for that one key, although I've adjusted to it a lot better than the up/down arrows.
You may not have had issues with the keyboard, but I'll bet people nearby you who had to suffer with the irritatingly loud CLACK CLACK CLCK as you typed had issues. Try studying in a library next to somebody with a scissor keyboard MacBook Pro - it's disgusting.
If the rumours carry any weight then it will be a 16" MBP with thinner bezels and a proper keyboard. Same footprint as the current 15".
I use ethernet all the time and I have to say the RJ45 connector is the worst connector ever invented and needs to just die. It's monstrously huge and highly prone to breakage. While Apple has decidedly gone overboard trading off thinness for pretty much everything else, I think the trade-off was worth it when that particular connector got squeezed out. This isn't just a Mac issue, modern PC laptops have also gone the same way.
I don’t see why there is so much love lost for the butterfly keyboard. Admittedly it was very troublesome early on with the 2016-17 models. But Apple has done a very good job of improving it since then. We have heard little to no complaints of issues with the keyboard for the 2019 MBP after the latest redesigned keyboard.
Baryon, dude, those are fighting words in this forum. And you will be attacked by the acolytes.
But I agree with the tenor of your take.
As you, I own a fully-loaded MBPr, mid-2012, still rocking without issues (no butterflies, no T2, and preserved with a red-blooded ESC/F-key row).
Yet, I am queued awaiting the newfangled 16-inch MBP, and see if it is a worthwhile upgrade.
But until then, nada, zilch purchases to feed and encourage greed.
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If they actually get the scissors keyboard right - something similar to the 2015 MBP, they're in for a super upgrade cycle! But sadly, I can't help but feel pessimistic. I can see the video now...
"But our engineers faced a daunting challenge: How could we combine the reliability of a scissors mechanism with the short travel distance and painful backstop of a butterfly keyboard? How could retain the poor ergonomics and incredible tapping noise using a technology previously designed for comfort? Well... we have succeeded!"
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For me, it has nothing at all to do with reliability. They are downright painful to use, and so loud they are banned from meetings. I actually can type faster on the iPad Pro keyboard cover. And to me, the two most important parts of a laptop are the keyboard and screen - I can't take an external keyboard with me everywhere.
If you've never had a good keyboard, you won't know. Just like good headphones, a great keyboard is a joy to use and a source of immediate pleasure. It's not something you have to "get used to." I remember, the 2015 MBP keyboard was so good that when I first used it, it was actually distracting. When I'd start typing something on it, all of a sudden I'd stop and notice how amazing the keyboard felt. A keyboard I actually *want* to use - *prefer* to use. If you've never tried one, the closest feel I've found is Apple's external keyboard, the A1243 wired. It's not quite as good, and it's lounder, but it's an amazing feel. When I have to use a butterfly Mac I use that with it. More recent Apple external keyboards have lost that feel - they're just "meh".
"But our engineers faced a daunting challenge: How could we combine the reliability of a scissors mechanism with the short travel distance and painful backstop of a butterfly keyboard? How could retain the poor ergonomics and incredible tapping noise using a technology previously designed for comfort? Well... we have succeeded!"
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For me, it has nothing at all to do with reliability. They are downright painful to use, and so loud they are banned from meetings. I actually can type faster on the iPad Pro keyboard cover. And to me, the two most important parts of a laptop are the keyboard and screen - I can't take an external keyboard with me everywhere.
If you've never had a good keyboard, you won't know. Just like good headphones, a great keyboard is a joy to use and a source of immediate pleasure. It's not something you have to "get used to." I remember, the 2015 MBP keyboard was so good that when I first used it, it was actually distracting. When I'd start typing something on it, all of a sudden I'd stop and notice how amazing the keyboard felt. A keyboard I actually *want* to use - *prefer* to use. If you've never tried one, the closest feel I've found is Apple's external keyboard, the A1243 wired. It's not quite as good, and it's lounder, but it's an amazing feel. When I have to use a butterfly Mac I use that with it. More recent Apple external keyboards have lost that feel - they're just "meh".
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On the one hand, I very much welcome the potential return of good keyboards to MacBooks. On the other hand, I've saved a lot of money over the past 5 years because there have been no current MacBooks I care to own.
question.. when is apple 1st quarter actually? I heard Apple's fiscal year ends in September? So the 1st quarter would be now!
Same boat and honestly loving it. I just upgraded from a 2012 retina MBP to a 2015 retina MBP with lower battery cycles and a bigger, faster SSD. It cost me all of $500 on eBay (and I was able to pass the old one on to a family member). Just installed Catalina on the newer one and it runs beautifully.
Sorry for not being more clear. It's dead on the Macbook and Macbook Pro line.
That said, we shouldn't expect that USB A will become more prominent on other Apple products in the coming years. It's on it's way out the door.
My pet theory is they added noise to the switches to give some auditory feedback to make up for the total lack of tactile feedback. But yeah, they're trash to type on even if they were 100% reliable.
Kuo changes his predictions as often as some people change their underwear. Just a few weeks ago, he predicted that the 16" MBP will be announced in October and that it will be the first Mac to go back to the scissor keyboard. I'm not sure I understand his current prediction - if I read the article right, he's still predicting a 16" MBP this month but shifted the scissor keyboard to a redesigned MBP next year?
I've been holding out for the 16" MBP to finally replace my 2010 MBP. Here's hoping it has the new keyboard, although I don't really mind the butterfly keyboard on my 2017 work MBP - it's just too damn noisy. But that's been mitigated in the newer versions with the condoms....my biggest beef is with that stupid Touch Bar - actually not the Touch Bar itself, but the fact that it took away the physical ESC key! Makes being a 'vi' user very unpleasant :-( Especially if you've become used to going through your command history using vi commands.
I've been holding out for the 16" MBP to finally replace my 2010 MBP. Here's hoping it has the new keyboard, although I don't really mind the butterfly keyboard on my 2017 work MBP - it's just too damn noisy. But that's been mitigated in the newer versions with the condoms....my biggest beef is with that stupid Touch Bar - actually not the Touch Bar itself, but the fact that it took away the physical ESC key! Makes being a 'vi' user very unpleasant :-( Especially if you've become used to going through your command history using vi commands.