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Kuo: iPhone 12 Models Won't Include Charger in Box, 20W Power Adapter Will Be Sold Separately
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Come September iPhones are going to have record sales cause iOS users are locked into apples ecosystem.
Many consumer electronic devices that have lithium ion batteries can be charged via usb in your computer. While I'm not an advocate of this, and with 1b devices out there, there is a good change, an average person already have the means to charge their idevice.
Lol whatever you need to do to rationalize it. Still doesn't change the fact that it is most likely a sub $5 cost to apple (and they could lower shipping costs by removing the plastic inserts in the box, would cut the box size in half and still could get a charging block in there.
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They could do all of that while still including the charging block. Take out the plastic inserts in the box and the box could easily be cut in half and still include the charger.
Wow, a fast "charging" thread. Zero to 758 replies in just over 25 hours. As mentioned above elsewhere, I also have a bundle of block USB to Lightning chargers which it appears to be able to charge the new IPHONE 12's. While I havn't seen any pricing, it appears that a USB-C charger will be about 20-25 bucks extra IF you don't want to pull out one of the previous straight USB chargers.
I don't fully understand why Apple is going this route except that their new laptops only have USB-C ports which should also "boot-strap" a charge to the new IPHONE 12's (no block needed).
I don't fully understand why Apple is going this route except that their new laptops only have USB-C ports which should also "boot-strap" a charge to the new IPHONE 12's (no block needed).
This is just wrong! It was bad enough offering fast charging & only including a standard power brick, but none at all !?! I hope this is just for the 12s & not the Pros. Idk why people are still going on about how the 12s better have USB-C. It was revealed long ago that the 12s will have lightning & the 13s will switch to portless. iPhone will never be USB-C. One of the biggest reasons I've never switched to iPhone is Apple's greed. They want you to pay for absolutely everything. Pay for a charging brick, a headphone dongle, earbuds etc. These are all accessories that ship with most Android phones. Apple even charges for apps that are free on Android. People got excited & thought Apple was changing its ways with the SE (2020). Mac Wheels, anyone?
iPhone 12 models will not include EarPods or a power adapter in the box, analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said today in a research note obtained by MacRumors. This lines up with a prediction shared by analysts at Barclays earlier this week.
Kuo said that Apple will instead release a new 20W power adapter as an optional accessory for iPhones and end production of its existing 5W and 18W power adapters later this year. The form factor of the new 20W power adapter is said to be similar to the 18W version, with USB-C Power Delivery for fast charging, as seen in the leaked photo below.
Kuo believes that iPhone 12 production costs will significantly increase due to 5G support, but he expects Apple to sell the new models at a comparable price to its iPhone 11 lineup, and removing the EarPods and power adapter from the box is one way to reduce costs. Apple would likely also tout the environmental benefits of such a move.
Barclays still expects Apple to include a Lightning to USB-C cable in the box as the only accessory included with iPhone 12 models.
Kuo also expects that Apple will stop including a 5W power adapter with the second-generation iPhone SE later this year, but he said that a 12W power adapter will continue to be included with current generations of the 10.2-inch iPad, iPad Air, and iPad mini.
Article Link: Kuo: iPhone 12 Models Won't Include Charger in Box, 20W Power Adapter Will Be Sold Separately
They use standard ports. Every iPhone takes a USB port. The cable is what's non-standard. We're talking about charger bricks here, so that's not "a problem".
Not true. Every wall charger already has a "wireless" charger built in. It's called the transformer, particularly due to safety requirements of isolating the user from surges in the wall voltage. On the other hand, the low 5-9 volts due to safety cause large currents and therefore high losses.
There are wireless charger designs which use a higher voltage to the coil, substituting it for the isolation transformer, which exhibit efficiencies comparable to cable. You don't see them sold because China is competing with their minimum-cost USB-powered chargers.
Thats absurd. They had better be dropping the price by a couple hundred dollars or I am buying a Pixel or Galaxy phone instead.
No, it's not. It's like selling a car without any gas in the tank EXCEPT for the first free tank. All the iphones I've had from the 3G on, came with a full charge or nearly a full charge.
That said, put me in the I don't care column. I'll either pony up for the USB-C block or use one of the nearly 5 or more chargers I have. Or maybe I'll list most of them on eBay for those who don't want to pony up for a USB-C charger. Anyone want a $15 old USB charger? Maybe I can make enough to knock a 100 bucks off my new phone.
Enjoy your android phone...dropping it by 200 because there’s no power brick? Lol what world are you living in seriously?
This.
How much does a charger cost?
It was appalling that they only put the slow charger in the box. Now no charger?
For a $1k phone? Really???
Absolutely stupid. As much as I love my AirPods, they cause me headaches, so I only like to use them when exercising or other stuff. I like wearing EarPods when chilling or laying in bed etc. And their EarPods are the best ones out there. I don’t like any other designs by other companies. Like those stupid ones with the big bubble like design, which don’t even stay in your ear.
Absolutely sucks knowing I won’t be able to get new EarPods when I get a new iPhone. I’m forced to use only my AirPods lately cause my older EarPods broke(they do break very easily and quickly, admittedly.)
also we need chargers to come with the pack. WHO SELLS A PHONE WITHOUT THE CHARGER SUPPLIED TOO??
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Not everyone has a charger block. What about new iPhone users too who don’t know to ask for a charger block too??
Absolutely sucks knowing I won’t be able to get new EarPods when I get a new iPhone. I’m forced to use only my AirPods lately cause my older EarPods broke(they do break very easily and quickly, admittedly.)
also we need chargers to come with the pack. WHO SELLS A PHONE WITHOUT THE CHARGER SUPPLIED TOO??
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Not everyone has a charger block. What about new iPhone users too who don’t know to ask for a charger block too??
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I will. The Pixel is better than the iPhone in several ways, has a better camera, comes with a charger and its $400 cheaper. This isnt 2008 any longer with laggy Android phones. Competition has passed Apple by years ago. I will not miss the iPhone or greedy ass Apple for a single second.
Wireless charger pads work for a bit through my phone and phone case and then stop working like half way, probably cause it uses so much voltage it turns off. It’s beyond stupid.
You can also feel the heat on your phone case
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$400 cheaper? If you’re buying the 4a or whatever I’m sure from a spec and performance point of view it doesn’t compare to the best offerings from Apple but enjoy your phone...
Competition hasn’t really passed Apple as it still has the same issues from before but they are great phones still
Well yes, they definitely do. But I was talking about people who already have AirPods getting another set free when they buy a Mac; presumably they could sell that new pair for nearly full price.
Yes, these are the customers who will have to spend another $25-50 to buy a USB-C PD charger. These are the customers who will have to pay more, no disputing that.
The point is, these customers are likely the big minority. So should everyone else have to "pay more" to get a charging brick so the few who really need them can have it for free? Or should Apple "keep the price the same rather than increasing it" for the majority of people who don't need the power brick, and only those customers who need it can pay for it?
The iPods never cane with a wall AC plug, the AirPods never came with a wall AC plug, the Apple TV never came with a HDMI, so I don't see what's different here?
The majority of people already have one, and if they don't and they're dropping over $1,000 on a phone, what's an extra 20 bucks?
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The majority of people already have one, and if they don't and they're dropping over $1,000 on a phone, what's an extra 20 bucks?
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iPods never came with a brick, even under Jobs
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I'm not saying that its not stupid.
However, several other apple products are sold with no block.
Also, if the current iPhone and the new one are the same price, but you're getting a better screen, better camera, new design, full 5G, new processers, and several other things that normally would increase the price of the phone, and the only trade off is that the block is an extra 20 bucks, then. I see no problems. I already have probably like 10 extra blocks laying around somewhere, and I already have AirPods, so no need for the headphones.
I'll take a $999 phone with no block, over a $1099 phone with one. It's such a small thing to complain about, and most people will never notice. Also, the boxes can become a lot smaller, and more environmentally protective.
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However, several other apple products are sold with no block.
Also, if the current iPhone and the new one are the same price, but you're getting a better screen, better camera, new design, full 5G, new processers, and several other things that normally would increase the price of the phone, and the only trade off is that the block is an extra 20 bucks, then. I see no problems. I already have probably like 10 extra blocks laying around somewhere, and I already have AirPods, so no need for the headphones.
I'll take a $999 phone with no block, over a $1099 phone with one. It's such a small thing to complain about, and most people will never notice. Also, the boxes can become a lot smaller, and more environmentally protective.
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Allow me to play devil's advocate here. Nintendo's market isn't hapless parents or naïve children. Instead they have a lot of repeat buyers and their market actually skews way older.
So, I propose the scenario isn't going to be a parent dropping $200, on a whim, for a 2DS / 3DS for their child because they're just looking for a gift. They're purchased because: 1) They've already purchased previous ones so they follow gaming news and are aware or 2) As a new buyer they know what they're getting into because they seen someone else's or 3) someone instructed them to buy it - "I'd like this for my birthday, Christmas, etc." That is, they know what they want and they'll tell you what to get. So if they want an AC charger - they'll ask for it. But, chances are they know they can use USB chargers or already have one.
That doesn't mean you can't get #4 who is brand new and blindly buying something cluelessly. I'd say though, that's a small fraction of their market and the larger problem is them spending $200+ on a whim, then, them finding out they need a $10 charger.
All that devil's advocate said, Did Nintendo's "greed" then bleed over into excluding the power adapter for the Wii, Wii U, or Switch? Did it then materialize that Nintendo started to exclude the box or the screen or the battery for new 3DS? (as very concerned and upset posters here have shared their concerns on)
No. No, they did not.
Did excluding the AC power adapter cause a MASSIVE sudden collapse in their availability in stores or online? (i.e. COVID-19 style toilet paper armageddon?)
Absolutely not.
It's just my opinion - but I don't buy the "concern for others" argument. If some small device, mobile phone or not, can be powered by USB that's entirely enough. If it can't be charged by a cable connected to a standard USB AC charger - and a charger isn't included - (i.e. laptop) then you have my support and criticism.
With Apple, as with Nintendo, instead I think it's a perfectly valid assumption to make. The majority of Apple customers are going to be repeat buyers. Even if they aren't a repeat buyer and they have absolutely no prior mobile phone at all - unless they're emerging from an Amish society - they've already got an AC powered USB charger. Either 1) they bought for something else 2) it came from literally anything else or 3) They can plug it into their laptop or desktop.
But more over, this time, rumor has it that the entry iPhone 12 will be $650. A $50 decrease from the iPhone 11. I think that's a fair compromise.
Over all, though, I'm not going to worry about this. As for concern for other? Don't worry, tech enthusiasts, critics, concern trolls, and news sites, will make sure that everyone knows.
Apples customers are loyal and not to include a charger in the case is a slap in the face. This is not a cheap iPhone it’s their best and yet they cut corners as if your buying an economy iPhone.
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! Tim Cook
Not right and goes to show what you personally think of an Apple customer
SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! Tim Cook
Not right and goes to show what you personally think of an Apple customer
It's ridiculous you can't accept that all those items need to be charged and don't come with a charger.