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Kuo: iPhone SE 2 Launching in Q1 2020 with A13 at $399 Price
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I am still waiting to see if it is going to have a Qualcomm or not and an updated Bluetooth. This may be the best value in Apple's lineup.
It is a good price for low income people but there are others that don't want to pay the price to get a 11 or 11 Pro.
And yet, there is a cult-like following of and allegiance to SE-sized iPhones. I can assure you that there's no shortage of people who would be willing to fork out iPhone 11 Pro Max money for a true SE-sized iPhone with upgraded specs.
I'm one of the many.
You don’t think there could be a difference in demand for an a13 device with a new camera at $399 and an a11 device with an old camera at $449?
I’m guessing you don’t have young children. I pretty much don’t use my phone any way except one handed.
Yep, and spent all of 5 seconds on that. Followed by a minute on "first time buyers" and "some countries", which are all euphemisms for price sensitive buyers.
But yeah, I hear you. I am sure they will give the nod to the small phone crowd again by pointing out that a 4.7" phone is small indeed in today's terms.
I hear ya on that. Just consider that for 2020 Apple seems to be increasing ALL the phone sizes. So this might end up being the only phone as small as an iPhone 8 left.
Two of these are MUCH easier to use one handed, because you don’t have to stretch your thumb all the way down to the bottom to swipe up, or to the top left and right corners to swipe down...I saw a mock-up comparison on Forbes - looks like a good compromise.
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Not many enough, it seems. Is there any (mainstream) manufacturer which currently offers a non-low cost small form 4" or smaller phone?
Remember, that's for the base hard drive size, which may be inadequate to even fit the OS.
I do not doubt it will be technically better than iPhone 8. I was just saying that people looking for an iPhone the size of 6-8, can already buy it for 50$ extra. Otherwise I am also curious to see what they come up with. They could remove the glass back and wireless charging, for example, making it lighter still. However, then we are talking of reincarnated iPhone 7, rather than 8. We shall see.
There is no secret to it. The majority of manufacturers today use "just in time" practices, which means they acquire parts as they are needed. This eliminates the need for warehouses full of parts, and the need to pay taxes on those warehouses full of parts, and even the need to buy or build or rent the warehouses for all of those parts.
Look it up. This is basic business school stuff, the kind of stuff Tim Cook is an expert at.
I think most buyers would distinguish between paying $450 for a two-year-old device and $400 for a just-released device.
I know not all buyers pay as close attention to this stuff as macrumors users, but that’s not a hard distinction to understand.
That's exactly the point. The fact that there isn't one and that you got a cult following the original SE size implies there would be no shortage of buyers.
Do we really _need_ to know Apples sales numbers regarding the SE? I mean, they sold it for two years, if it wasn’t making money, don’t you think they would have discontinued it before then?
I have no reason to watch movies on my phone. Don't assume your usage is the same as everyone else. I wish Apple made something smaller than the SE. If I wanted something bigger than the SE I would already own it.
$399 is not cheap. It's reasonably priced, at best.
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I don't watch movies on my phone either but I know plenty of people who want their phone to replace their computer and for that you naturally need a way larger screen resolution. I think 4,7" without bezels would be a great compromise but then it would surely be more expensive than just $399.
That gave me a good laugh.
Oh yes. Market research is just perfect these days. That must be why nearly every single product across all categories are incredible and insatiable hits that flood off the shelves (virtual or otherwise), constantly.
That gave me a good laugh.
Oh yes. Market research is just perfect these days. That must be why nearly every single product across all categories are incredible and insatiable hits that flood off the shelves (virtual or otherwise), constantly.
Um, all that you show by the tirade above is that you have no clue about what you're taking about. Sarcastic commentary is not usually correlated with arguing from a position of being well informed.
Meh, I'm one of the many that would gladly give up the iPhone X for a SE sized up-to-date spec phone. I'd pay the same price as an iPhone 11 Pro if I had to. I'm one of the ones who like to use it one handed and the smaller more convenient it is, the better.
If I want big I will get an iPad or laptop.
If I want big I will get an iPad or laptop.
Alas, your analysis is lacking any kind of real data and is completely anecdotal. Jpack was absolutely right...the market spoke loudly about the desire or lack thereof for a smaller sized phone when given the option of larger screens. Small phones were NOT COMPELLING ENOUGH! Forget Apple...look around. What do you see? Why?
Apple has mountains of data and has not rushed to update the SE...either because their time was better suited elsewhere, people wanted larger phones, and/or they discovered even potential SE buyers would be fine buying other iPhones.
Again, this isn't complicated. If enough people wanted an SE, it would have existed long ago. Apple executes better than any company in the world and has the track record to prove it. Start with $60B in profit in 12 months. For scale, Microsoft did $33B and Google did around $25B in the same time.
Yes, Apple KNOWS what people will buy.
What you, all your friends, or even what you infer from reading here "would" spend money on, MATTERS NOT.