Kuo: iPhone SE 2 Launching in Q1 2020 with A13 at $399 Price

[Falhófnir]

'Weight, weight, please tell me...' as light, or lighter, than iPhone 6/7, please.

I'd also prefer the smaller SE/5 form factor. But, the weight of the newer phones is something I find most annoying.

Quite possibly if it removes 3D touch in line with other new phones... they might increase the battery a little and cancel it out though? I think generally the glass sandwich designs are heavier than the all aluminium ones as glass is a heavier material.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

YOU don't see. YOU are used to use both hands. Some of us aren't. Why use 2 hands when only one is needed with an iphone SE ?

I'm gonna ask you then why 99,99% of products designed in the last century were designed for a single hand ? Because there are a lot of scenarios where we require the other hand for other tasks..

That's why i won't buy another iphone if the screen is bigger than iphone SE.

I understand a lot of users use their phones all day long as a computer. Personaly i work all day on a computer, and don't need my phone to do difficult tasks, and so i don't want a phone that REQUIRE me to use both hands.

Bigger screen is a market demand, but also a design issue, they can't fit a lot of technology + good battery life in a small phone. I hope Apple will solve this problem.

True, people like to use their device in different ways. But there are still options on larger screens to satisfy one handed use. Reachability, pop sockets, keyboard slide over options.

Many products have been designed for one handed use over the years but I think companies now realise it wasn’t necessary and most people don’t care too much about it. This is backed up by the market demand for larger screens and the fact iPhone SE is a niche product announced away from the regular iPhone releases and isn’t updated annually.

You’re out of luck if you think any manufacturer will produce screens as small as the one on the SE moving forward. Screens will only get bigger. Take a look at the new Microsoft Surface Duo. It’s a double screened folding device.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Why do some folks get so offended at the idea of some customers not wanting to tote around a phablet?

No kidding.
It’s like it threatens their choices or something.
Different devices for different usage styles guys.

 

[Mainsail]

Ok. So, basically an iPhone 8 with an A13 chip and discounted from $449 to $399. Seems like a pretty simple thing for Apple to do if they have a large supply of A13 chips.

 

[apolloa]

Hmm will be interesting to see the final specs of this phone. If it has the rear camera from the XR and night mode it could be a pretty good deal, add in water proofing like the iPhone 8 has. Wonder if it’ll keep wireless charging like the 8 has? So long as it has a Qualcomm modem too it’ll be very tempting at that price!
basically take the iPhone 8, stick in the XR’s rear camera, add in all the camera features like super HDR and night mode, plus stick in a Qualcomm modem and it’s a winner.

 

[Cosmosent]

I don't buy it !

More likely, $549 USD.

 

[JPack]

Why does everyone think an "iPhone 8 form factor" means the size of an iphone 8? It can be the size of the SE, but using the shape and curves on the 8

Talk about denial.

 

[Grey Area]

Many people misunderstand the reason for the existence of iPhone SE in the first place. The fact that it was small was never the point...

It being small was actually the first reason Apple stated in the SE-keynote. Apple may have been lying, but I don't think people can be said to have misunderstood.

 

[turbineseaplane]

It being small was actually the first reason Apple stated in the SE-keynote. Apple may have been lying, but I don't think people can be said to have misunderstood.

Whoa! Easy! Way too much emphasis on factual information there!
lol

/s

 

[one more]

Given Apple's shift to services, its probably more valuable for Apple to get two people into the ecosystem with a cheap phone and then charge for services, enable them to buy into the Apple Watch etc etc, then to have one person buy a high end model.

Understood, but that 50$ difference between the current 8 and this rumoured SE2 is really not a big deal, so people wanting an 4,7” iPhone (so like iPhone 6-8), can easily get one now. The speed difference between iPhone 8 and 11 is not so dramatically different for day-to-day tasks either. As many have commented, the best aspect about 5-SE was their size and weight. I am currently using iPhone 7 and could upgrade to 11, but it is just too big/heavy for me.

 

[ghanwani]

It is probably the time to upgrade my 6S+ when the SE is available.

You are willing to go to a smaller phone?

 

[JPack]

It being small was actually the first reason Apple stated in the SE-keynote. Apple may have been lying, but I don't think people can be said to have misunderstood.

Apple stated 13% of their iPhone sales in 2015 were for 4-inch devices.

In addition, 4-inch buyers were likely to be first time smartphone users or first time iPhone users.

Those two facts presented during the keynote told everyone Apple was targeting price.

 

[44267547]

So I’m curious, if Apple holds another Keynote separately for the iPhone SE like they did in March 2016? (Rhetorical) If so, not also with the next SE version launching, but then maybe we can expect the rumor of the revised AirPods (Or Other products/services) to launch as well.

 

[satchmo]

If you still have thick bezels in 2020, you've failed.
No reason Apple's entire iPhone lineup can't be overhauled to provide a wide range of pricing, yet still be current.

 

[tridley68]

I'll be sticking with my I phone 11 pro max. Thanks but no thanks Apple

 

[Patolino]

One interesting question is whether it will be using Intel's modem, or whether this will be the first deployment of Qualcomm's. I hope it's the latter.

Rumors say Apple is developing their own modems for 2022. Whatever they choose next year will not last long.

 

[tominco]

Ugh.
If I wanted an iPhone 8 shaped phone I could go buy one right now

An iPhone 8 size/shape totally misses the point of the iPhone SE and why so many of us love it like no other.

The small form factor is the key

Exactly... Apple you need to understand that some folks don't want larger phones. They want functionality in a small package. Just because so many people want to buy a huge SUV, doesn't stop Honda from selling the Civic. Not everyone wants big. ARGH!!!!

 

[s54]

If this new "SE 2" were the exact copy of the iPhone 8, but with:

1. Updated internals
2. Updated chamfered/squared edges

Then I would consider it, even though it's not as ideal as a true SE 2 size. At the claimed $399 price point, it will still likely be the best smartphone out for the price.

 

[IG88]

Don’t think underestimated SE2 sales. SE had the same processor (as the then top iPhone, 6s). At $250 lower cost. And was not long thereafter discounted further. Nevertheless, SE sales were modest at best.

Do we know the SE sales? Apple has never broken them out have they?

 

[okieoutwest]

Very excited to see this rumored product realized next spring, regardless of how it deviates from Kuo’s predictions. Lots of folks assume this is just about cost, but disposable income isn’t limiting my purchase- practicality is.

My use case these days is to leave the phone at home as much as possible and leave with only my watch to do communication triage while out and about. It does everything I need including maps and OTP for my workflows. If apple didn’t require a phone as the brain for the watch I just wouldn’t have one for personal use.

An update like this will probably be a day one purchase, even though I think the rumored, smaller iPhone Pro in the fall will be a great size. There are simply better things to spend money on these days as someone who isn’t using social media and this rumored product will be perfect for being an at-home brain for the watch (and glasses...?)

 

[mag33]

Buying this day 1 in RED! Finally something on the smartphone market that appeals to me.

 

[neoelectronaut]

Apple stated 13% of their iPhone sales in 2015 were for 4-inch devices.

In addition, 4-inch buyers were likely to be first time smartphone users or first time iPhone users.

Those two facts presented during the keynote told everyone Apple was targeting price.

Apple introduced the iPhone 6 in September 2014 and the iPhone 6S in September 2015, so for pretty much the entirety of 2015 if you wanted to buy the "New" iPhone, you were buying a 4.7" device; there wasn't an option for an 4" device running modern hardware until March 2016.

 

[s54]

Exactly... Apple you need to understand that some folks don't want larger phones. They want functionality in a small package. Just because so many people want to buy a huge SUV, doesn't stop Honda from selling the Civic. Not everyone wants big. ARGH!!!!

That's a very good point.

Our society has been brainwashed to believe that bigger is always better. That more food on a plate is better; hence the obesity epidemic in the US. That bigger phablets in your pocket is better; even though people look ridiculous while talking on their iPad-sized "phone". That there's no replacement for displacement; hence gas guzzlers that average 15 mpg while driving in bumper-to-bumper traffic to and from work err'day... the list goes on.

I value function over form. That's why I always preferred smaller phones, just as I always preferred smaller cars because they're more fun and nimble. And money had nothing to do with it. Some people just don't get it.

 

[Q-Dog]

Sounds underwhelming and disappointing.

This is just Apple re-using the iPhone 8 shells that they probably have a crap ton of.

Manufacturers do not keep warehouses full of parts. Look up "just in time manufacturing" if you want to know how people make things in the 21st century.

 

[JPack]

Apple introduced the iPhone 6 in September 2014 and the iPhone 6S in September 2015, so for pretty much the entirety of 2015 if you wanted to buy the "New" iPhone, you were buying a 4.7" device; there wasn't an option for an 4" device running modern hardware until March 2016.

The iPhone 6 broke every sales record in Apple history. It remains the best selling iPhone in Apple’s history. Even the iPhone X doesn’t beat it. Consumers overwhelmingly told Apple they wanted a bigger iPhone.

Apple’s keynote for iPhone SE was a polished marketing message avoiding the word “low-cost” in order to preserve brand value. But every detail presented said “price-sensitive.” The iPhone SE didn’t have the newest features like 3D Touch or Touch ID 2.0. In India, the SE was regularly discounted to $200-$250 during 2017-2019. If you look at the totality of the marketing message behind iPhone SE, it was about cost.

Some consumers may want a smaller iPhone, but that doesn’t change the clear evidence the SE sold largely because of price.