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Yeah, but I think Apple is misunderstanding the interest in the SE. It's about size, not price. People who buy based on price are buying used or refurbished.

Sure, but what is the ratio of the size-prioritizing buyers vs. those who look at the price first? I suspect the latter group is way larger, and Apple may want to sell them a reasonably current iPhone, rather than having them go for a used or a refurb that does not earn Apple much, or worse yet, some Android.

Take the exact same case, stuff it with the latest components, and I'll buy one even if it's not cheap.

So would I, I would pay "Pro"-prices for that. But how many of us are there? The small phone market has virtually disappeared. Sony held out the longest with their Compact-series - the small phone lovers should have flocked to those, but apparently sales were not good enough, as the series got cancelled this year.

I fear we may be a very small group. It would be nice if Apple still provided a 4-inch phone for us, if only as a bit of a courtesy and to keep us in the system - if companies like Fairphone can survive selling less than 100K phones a year, I'm sure Apple would manage not to lose out on a true SE successor. But maybe they think that we will settle for a slightly bigger one eventually, and maybe they are right.

As it stands, I'm not very interested in an 8-based SE2, at least not yet. My current SE will be good enough for another year with iOS13, and by that time we will know more about the rumored 5.4" full-screen iPhone that might have a similar size.
 
Ugh.
If I wanted an iPhone 8 shaped phone I could go buy one right now
An iPhone 8 size/shape totally misses the point of the iPhone SE and why so many of us love it like no other.
The small form factor is the key

I'd be interested in seeing a medical study that checks if there is a correlation between testicular cancer and small, pocket sized, phones.
 
I’m a fan of great value things. Very much looking forward to this! The price is right. The single camera has to be as good as on the 11 too. If that’s the case I’ll be upgrading from my SE to this. I’m in the minority of SE users who is ok with 4.7 size. In fact, I wanted a slightly bigger screen for some time now. But not XR or 11 bigger. And certainly not X or 11Pro more expensive.
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Without a headphone plug, it's a no-go for me (and probably many others). Not all of us are "sold" are the quality of a Bluetooth connection and battery-life, as compared to a directly wired headphone. Sorry, folks, but sometimes sound, a true stereo sound, not compressed, is more important than being on top of the curve. (Besides, how many of my home stereo and TV components are bluetooth?)
They still gonna include the wired lightning headphones if you’re not sold on bluetooth. The only problem, in my view, is that you won’t be able to charge and listen to music or podcasts at the same time. Which I do very often when traveling.
 
Without a headphone plug, it's a no-go for me (and probably many others). Not all of us are "sold" are the quality of a Bluetooth connection and battery-life, as compared to a directly wired headphone. Sorry, folks, but sometimes sound, a true stereo sound, not compressed, is more important than being on top of the curve. (Besides, how many of my home stereo and TV components are bluetooth?)

I keep forgetting about that headphone jack. Makes for difficult opening to make water resistant due in part to deep penetration of plug.

Agree on direct wired, for music, but we may be in minority now on that. I am OK however with wire plug into lightning.
 
With respect, so you intend to reward Apple's shafting you with engineered obsolescence of your iPhone 6s by buying another phone from Apple?

These things are such a commodity now there are alraeady offerings of made-in-China phones like this one with equivalent functionality with a much lower price tag.

hi

many thanks for your comment. :)

i bought this iPhone 6s exactly 4 years ago (four !). it has been a great phone.
holding onto such a "commodity" item for so long. wow.
 
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I call BS on this SE model.

There are currently 6 phones in the Apple line right now, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone XR, iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro MAX

Apple should just drop the price of the iPhone 8 to $399 and save all the hassle of designing a whole new fabrication line, plus people criticise Samsung for all their Galaxy models. Apple would be just doing the same if they were to have 7 different models in their phone line up.

We can tell this is a Tim Cook initiative because Steve Jobs hated having so many models. Steve liked to have it down to just 3 or 4 models. Are we going to see 7 iPads next, why not I say? Those things are getting just as expensive as the MacBook Pro.
 
I call BS on this SE model.

There are currently 6 phones in the Apple line right now, iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, iPhone XR, iPhone 11, iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro MAX

Apple should just drop the price of the iPhone 8 to $399 and save all the hassle of designing a whole new fabrication line, plus people criticise Samsung for all their Galaxy models. Apple would be just doing the same if they were to have 7 different models in their phone line up.

We can tell this is a Tim Cook initiative because Steve Jobs hated having so many models. Steve liked to have it down to just 3 or 4 models. Are we going to see 7 iPads next, why not I say? Those things are getting just as expensive as the MacBook Pro.
they will just replace the current iphone 8 with this one...thats all, and i suspect the Xr will be removed too in the spring
So iphone 11 11 pro and this lets call iphone 8second edition
 
The colors won’t be a dealbreaker obviously, but I would really like a pure black finish, pretty please. Like the one they offer on XR or 11. That iPhone 8 “Space Gray” is neither space nor gray tbh.
 
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I think we have to remember when the SE was launched the 6S/7 where the flagship. So Apples main selling point of the phone was that it was “cheaper”.

It was essentially a 5C 2. It used the older form factor. Not because it was smaller. But because it was cheaper to produce.

Now years later a new SE would use old form factor to be cheaper... hence it would be a iPhone 8 shell.
 
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Some consumers: We'd like a 4" sized phone, with latest processor, camera & edge to edge display.

Apple: K, we have some iPhone 8 chasis we could recycle.

Some consumers: But there is no SE signature on that size.

Apple: No worries, it will be the best iPhone SE2 ever created in an iPhone 8 body.

Apple designers: Are you ****ing crazy? How do you suppose we fit everything that barely fits in a 5.8 inch phone into a 4 inch phone? Those camera's and cpu don't all of a sudden consume less power because it's in a smaller form factor.
 
This will definitely test the nationalistic attitude of the Chinese customers when it comes to buying phones in 2019... big time!
 
So you're telling me I can get iPhone 11 guts in a chassis that has a proper screen aspect ratio, and a home button, at a fraction of the cost?

If this rumour is true Apple will have a bunch of irate iPhone 11 owners on their hands.
They won’t do a slimmed down 11 for $399.
This would be a stripped down bargain phone with hardly any new features.
 
you will need a 4.7" screen so you can use Apple Arcade.

something similar to a Switch that can do so much more with a real PS4 joystick when you want to play.

might have taken them a long time to work out the games market but what i've trialled of Arcade they have a good initial mix and it just works (something we used to expect from Apple).

so an iPod with bigger screen that can make phones, play games and do lots more with a million apps. boom Nintendo...
 
Frankly to say, I really doubt there would be a successor of SE [What ever we call it now].
But, it is a good device for me as a second phone [i usually need one for business and one for personal use]: lower price, Enough-good hardware and specifications, small size and surely iOS ecosystem. Let‘s see what is going to happen...:cool::cool:
 
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Apple released the current SE because they wanted to milk the assembly line of their investment for iPhone 5s until the last drop. The same will happen to the assembly line of the iPhone 6/7/8 investment.
We’re talking tim cook here. His job is to make maximum profit.

what's the problem with that?

many people have scored hand me down tech and love it. things they would never buy themselves and it gives devices a new life as well. a few have even gone on to realise they need to buy new devices themselves so the model works having low end products as a gateway into the Apple life.
 
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It’s great to have an entry level iPhone for low income people. Not everyone needs an iPhone 11 Pro.

If this turns our to be true, this gonna slay all the competition around that price point. That is even less, than iPhone 8 costs in my country right now.
That being said, "low" income people getting a new phone is not even looking at iPhones, the brand have it's reputation :) It's like a getting new car, if you are "low" income, you, most likely, are not looking at entry level Maserati :D
 
People are talking about the SE and how it had the 6s SoC and priced below the 6.

But that happen at a Screen Size Reduction. The pricing was simple enough that the smaller the screen the cheaper, despite what most of us would want / like to think, that is currently how Apple prices its products.

So if Apple has a iPhone SE2 / iPhone 9 at $399, that its screen size and aka Product Placement will be in direct competition of iPhone 8.

So unless you value 3D Touch over Haptic Touch, laminated screen over a possibly same screen used in 6/6s, Wireless Charging, then this iPhone SE2 is actually a price reduction.

Then it is important to note iPhone 8 just had a price reduction last month! Basically for the 4.7" Product placement Apple had 2 price reduction within 6 months. Doesn't sound very Apple at all. And it only make sense for Apple to discontinue it.

So you end up with a lineup.

$1099. - iPhone Pro Max
$999. - iPhone Pro

$699. - iPhone 11
$599. - iPhone XR
$549. - iPhone 8 Plus ? ( Or Discontinued )

$449. - iPhone 8
$399. - iPhone SE2 / iPhone 9

Now part of me thinks Apple may even discontinued iPhone 8 Plus. And then it is clear the common theme with Apple, they want to discontinue the sales of any 3D Touch devices ASAP.

Edit: And this post summarise it pretty damn well.
 
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Apple released the current SE because they wanted to milk the assembly line of their investment for iPhone 5s until the last drop. The same will happen to the assembly line of the iPhone 6/7/8 investment.
We’re talking tim cook here. His job is to make maximum profit.
And what are you gonna do about it? You and I are just cows to them no matter which model you buy.
 
Ugh.
If I wanted an iPhone 8 shaped phone I could go buy one right now

An iPhone 8 size/shape totally misses the point of the iPhone SE and why so many of us love it like no other.

The small form factor is the key

Doubt Apple will ever launch a 4inch screened phone ever again.

Most of Apple's subscription services are bad on the 5SE, hell even the 8 is pretty bad for arcade/tv/news.
 
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