Kuo: iPhone XR Pre-Order Demand Over First Weekend Exceeded That of iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus

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Fair enough, considering 8 was such a minor evolution from 7. XR is a totally different thing in this price range, so people who were put off by iPhone X and iPhone XS pricing can now have a go at their first full-screen, FaceID, etc. experience.

Has anybody figured out what an XR stands for, by the way? Regular? Rustic? Reimagined? Reduced? Reused? Recycled?

 

[TallManNY]

Yea it should be an easy sell for most. Battery life isn't (yet) a driver for me, but makes sense for some.

Meaningless for me as well. I think it has a lot to do with how bad your cell connection is where you live and travel. Some folks are clearly seeing battery drain that I just never see. But I go from home to office and my phone is on wifi for most of the day. I get two days on my Xs. Got the same on my X. And charging is as simple as laying the phone on a charger at home. Or plugging it in at work if I forget to charge it. But I told a co-worker to not buy the Xs and instead buy the Xr because he travels for work and works out in the field, sometimes even in areas in the U.S. that have no cell service. He is going to love the Xr. Even more so since he switching from an old Android phone.

 

[Justanotherfanboy]

I earn a wage I consider to be rather robust to be able to support buying an Iphone now and then (engineer for 25 years), but anything over $500 for a phone that's likely to require replacement every ~3 years does not seem like "low cost" to me!

Good God, is $750 before Apple Care really considered "low cost" to the admittedly Apple-fanatics (of which I still consider myself one) around these parts?

Did the (no longer available) $379 iPhone SE and (currently available) refurbished iPhone 7 for $379 seem like giveaways?

You can only call the $750 the total price for 3 years if you plan to smash it to bits when you get a new one...
Since you most likely would sell it & (as long as it’s in decent condition), it would yield about $450- that makes your “$750 phone” $300 for 3 years use, which is about $8.50/mo. Sounds fair to me for a telephone/camera/music player/GPS/internet device/etc.
I imagine your “robust wage” allows you to budget the cost of 2 cups of coffee per month for one of the most intimate & useful objects you own?

 

[Tozovac]

I disagree completely. Apple has a range of options ($449 to $1099) from the iPhone 7 to the XS Max hitting on a number of different price points, all providing a great experience. If you are just overall unhappy with iOS or what Apple offers, there is plenty of competition out there for cheaper. It just depends on what you are looking for.

I don't disagree, you're right, I overlooked the 7.

Having owned a 7 for 10 days, I consider it a non-option. The battery life was horrendous. Even after a visit or two to the store, and turned off all the notification/background features that *should* be used to enjoy your device fully.

Bit the bullet and bought an 8, which I consider to be the the lowest cost option that should be considered, IMHO. Add the "mandatory" apple care, and you're in $750 territory, for the base phone.
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You can only call the $750 the total price for 3 years if you plan to smash it to bits when you get a new one...
Since you most likely would sell it & (as long as it’s in decent condition), it would yield about $450- that makes your “$750 phone” $300 for 3 years use, which is about $8.50/mo. Sounds fair to me for a telephone/camera/music player/GPS/internet device/etc.
I imagine your “robust wage” allows you to budget the cost of 2 cups of coffee per month for one of the most intimate & useful objects you own?

I could never see today's $750 phone getting $450 after 3 years, but that's just my thought. See any 6s's getting $450 in the MR for sale area?

X's are now selling for $750-ish, after less than 1 year. Maybe I could see an X selling for $450 after 3 years, for a total of $700+ depreciation, give or take.

 

[mi7chy]

$750 starting isn't low cost. Xr is pretty much a blown up SE and should be priced accordingly at ~$549. Without the Apple logo it would cost ~$249.

 

[DNichter]

I don't disagree, you're right, I overlooked the 7.

Having owned a 7 for 10 days, I consider it a non-option. The battery life was horrendous. Even after a visit or two to the store, and turned off all the notification/background features that *should* be used to enjoy your device fully.

Bit the bullet and bought an 8, which I consider to be the the lowest cost option that should be considered, IMHO. Add the "mandatory" apple care, and you're in $750 territory, for the base phone.
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I could never see today's $750 phone getting $450 after 3 years, but that's just my thought. See any 6s's getting $450 in the MR for sale area?

X's are now selling for $750-ish, after less than 1 year. Maybe I could see an X selling for $450 after 3 years, for a total of $700+ depreciation, give or take.

It all comes down to the individual. I had a 7 and the battery was great, lasted a full day like every iPhone I have owned. I also have never purchased Apple Care (so not needed), but clearly the costs are too much for you to stomach. I would consider giving a cheap android a try and seeing if it's any better.
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Meaningless for me as well. I think it has a lot to do with how bad your cell connection is where you live and travel. Some folks are clearly seeing battery drain that I just never see. But I go from home to office and my phone is on wifi for most of the day. I get two days on my Xs. Got the same on my X. And charging is as simple as laying the phone on a charger at home. Or plugging it in at work if I forget to charge it. But I told a co-worker to not buy the Xs and instead buy the Xr because he travels for work and works out in the field, sometimes even in areas in the U.S. that have no cell service. He is going to love the Xr. Even more so since he switching from an old Android phone.

Until we get into the multiple days category (for me), it really makes no difference to me. I take it off my charger in the morning, it lasts until I go to bed at night. That's all I need.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Add Macbooks to the equation, which due to non-upgradeability, are trending towards being 2-3 year propositions, things really add up.

The computer industry as a whole would be very happy if your upgrade cycle was remotely accurate.

 

[Tozovac]

It all comes down to the individual. I had a 7 and the battery was great, lasted a full day like every iPhone I have owned. I also have never purchased Apple Care (so not needed), but clearly the costs are too much for you to stomach. I would consider giving a cheap android a try and seeing if it's any better.
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Until we get into the multiple days category (for me), it really makes no difference to me. I take it off my charger in the morning, it lasts until I go to bed at night. That's all I need.

That's cool. My 7 was gawdawful to where I'd lose 12% for a half hour phone call. 10 day old phone. Leave home at 100% and arrive at work with 97%, having not used it. 30 minute commute.

If you notice, I ponied up $740 for an 8 with apple care. I just wouldn't call it a low-cost option by any stretch, which was the point of my first post - do others really consider it "low cost" even if it's on the lower end of Apple's offerings. I do not consider it low cost by any stretch...magnified if I were buying 2-3 for family members.

The computer industry as a whole would be very happy if your upgrade cycle was remotely accurate.

I bought my MBA in Aug 2014. By this time last year, it started to show its age, but I've pressed on and still use it. After 3 years I think the battery is swelling and the trackpad is acting wonky. Charging isn't working too well with my cable so an $80 cable is in my future. The SSD isn't cheaply upgradeable, as my storage needs increase as I age. Do I spend $500 on a battery, SSD upgrade, and new cable or sell and possibly go current MBA or next-up-tbd with a reasonable keyboard for $1100+. I think 3 is a reasonable # where things can start to feel their age.

 

[DNichter]

That's cool. My 7 was gawdawful to where I'd lose 12% for a half hour phone call. 10 day old phone. Leave home at 100% and arrive at work with 97%, having not used it. 30 minute commute.

If you notice, I ponied up $740 for an 8 with apple care. I just wouldn't call it a low-cost option by any stretch, which was the point of my first post - do others really consider it "low cost" even if it's on the lower end of Apple's offerings. I do not consider it low cost by any stretch...magnified if I were buying 2-3 for family members.



I bought my MBA in Aug 2014. By this time last year, it started to show its age, but I've pressed on and still use it. After 3 years I think the battery is swelling and the trackpad is acting wonky. Charging isn't working too well with my cable so an $80 cable is in my future. The SSD isn't cheaply upgradeable, as my storage needs increase as I age. Do I spend $500 on a battery, SSD upgrade, and new cable or sell and possibly go current MBA or next-up-tbd with a reasonable keyboard for $1100+. I think 3 is a reasonable # where things can start to feel their age.

I guess that's fair to say. I'd personally consider it low cost, but there are certainly cheaper options out there. For me, it's just a "you get what you pay for" situation. Could I do what I need with cheaper options? Maybe. Would it be as great of an experience? Definitely not. I am happy to pay a bit more for that, but no Apple has never been cheap/low cost necessarily.

 

[code-m]

Though, the more you pay for an iPhone, I think resale paints an even dimmer picture. Consider the # of iPhone X's for sale now at the $700-750 range on MR with Apple Care. What is that, $400-500 depreciation after less than 1 year? Not exactly a positive factor for looking at the "big picture cost!"

Apple looks at the iPhone as a premium car, well just like any new car the moment you drive it off the dealership lot, it drops 50% in value

People usually have a limited budget and price in mind. Just because one spent $999 on the iPhone X, why would someone pay 20% less for a year old model when the Xr is available for less or the 7 and 8. People will value the X at a price of half it’s original value as it is used. The higher the cost of entry the more you lose on a yearly updated product.

 

[DNichter]

$750 starting isn't low cost. Xr is pretty much a blown up SE and should be priced accordingly at ~$549. Without the Apple logo it would cost ~$249.

I've heard you spout some dumb stuff on here before, but this has to take it. The best performing chip, one of the top cameras, arguably the most advanced facial recognition, and iOS to top it off, should be the cost of a cheap Android? Haha come on.

 

[tks900]

$750 starting isn't low cost. Xr is pretty much a blown up SE and should be priced accordingly at ~$549. Without the Apple logo it would cost ~$249.

Why stop there? 249? I say they should sell this thing for a dollar. Without the Apple Logo, a nickel. Gosh.

 

[44267547]

$750 starting isn't low cost. Xr is pretty much a blown up SE and should be priced accordingly at ~$549. Without the Apple logo it would cost ~$249.

Blown up SE?.......Not quite.

Not I That expect you to answer this question, but did the iPhone SE have the following that the XR includes:

~Wirelsss charging
~Face ID
~High Resolution Display
~Stereo speakers
~Water resistance
~True Depth Camera

 

[WannaGoMac]

If it had the same PPI as my 6s+ I would have bought one.

Apple still offers no worthy upgrade from the perfect screen of the iPhone plus series.


If the MacBook had two USB ports I would have bought one.

I have had zero interest in any new iPhone in 3 years. And zero interest in any new MacBook offering since 2011.

Pathetic.

I find it more impressive that your 3 year old phone still meets all your needs and is fast enough that you aren't motivated/bothered enough to upgrade. Im already having trouble with my 3 year old Samsung tablet being too slow in basic web browsing.

Either deal with what this company sells or just switch. It's really not that important is it?

 

[Tozovac]

Blown up SE?.......Not quite.

Not I That expect you to answer this question, but did the iPhone SE have the following that the XR includes:

~Wirelsss charging
~Face ID
~High Resolution Display
~Stereo speakers
~Water resistance
~True Depth Camera

As someone who was "forced" into spending up more than I would have liked to have spend for my 8 since I found the 7's battery life to be blah, and since there was no "low cost but strong basics" option, this is a good time for a guy like me to say:

~Wirelsss charging (don't need)
~Face ID (don't want)
~High Resolution Display ("base" retina is so "enough")
~Stereo speakers (don't need)
~Water resistance (don't need - would rather have headphone jack)
~True Depth Camera (don't need - just a luxury)

A $400 SE 2 sure would have been nice, with say a 7 or 8-processor.

But Apple keeps thinking everyone needs to eat steak daily, even when a really good hamburger or even grilled cheese & soup do just fine for most days.

 

[tromboneaholic]

As someone who was "forced" into spending up more than I would have liked to have spend for my 8 since I found the 7's battery life to be blah, and since there was no "low cost but strong basics" option, this is a good time for a guy like me to say:

~Wirelsss charging (don't need)
~Face ID (don't want)
~High Resolution Display ("base" retina is so "enough")
~Stereo speakers (don't need)
~Water resistance (don't need - would rather have headphone jack)
~True Depth Camera (don't need - just a luxury)

A $400 SE 2 sure would have been nice, with say a 7 or 8-processor.

But Apple keeps thinking everyone needs to eat steak daily, even when a really good hamburger or even grilled cheese & soup do just fine for most days.

You haven't tried Face ID. Touch ID is archaic in comparison.

Most of the other things you say you don't need, you just haven't tried.

 

[mi7chy]

You haven't tried Face ID. Touch ID is archaic in comparison.

You mean Fail ID?

Retina and fingerprint (Touch ID) can even distinguish twins which is a known weakness of Fail ID.

 

[Rogifan]

How in the world would he know? I doubt Apple is sharing pre-order sales data with him.

 

[tromboneaholic]

You mean Fail ID?

I see you haven't tried it either...

(by the way, using YouTube as a source doesn't help an intelligent discussion)

 

[Tozovac]

You haven't tried Face ID. Touch ID is archaic in comparison.

Most of the other things you say you don't need, you just haven't tried.

Even if I loved them, I can fairly confidently say I don't need them, especially if I have to pay up for them.

Great, face ID makes touch ID archaic. If touch ID works for me, and touch ID is not "broken" and needing replaced by something, then why don't you believe me when I say I really don't need it since I'd have to pay up for it?

My phone is lying on my desk right now, on a charging puck, about 18 inches away. I can instantly wake it by resting my finger on it, not having to pick it up to face me. How is that not a bad thing...works for me and may even be preferable to Face ID, as many of Apple's recent innovations require the user to often do 1-2 more physical actions just to get the "new improved feature" to work.

 

[4jasontv]

You haven't tried Face ID. Touch ID is archaic in comparison.

Most of the other things you say you don't need, you just haven't tried.

Oh, my, no. Just no. Forget security. FaceID is not a reliable way to unlock a device. I hate faceID on my X. It’s supposed to be able to tell it’s me when I change glasses, shave, or lighting changed. Nope. Fails at least 1 out 5 times. Might be more often.

I wish it worked for me, but it doesn’t.

 

[tromboneaholic]

My phone is lying on my desk right now, on a charging puck, about 18 inches away. I can instantly wake it by resting my finger on it, not having to pick it up to face me. How is that not a bad thing...works for me and may even be preferable to Face ID, as many of Apple's recent innovations require the user to often do 1-2 more physical actions just to get the "new improved feature" to work.

That's an argument made by someone who hasn't used Face ID.

If you can see your screen to interact with it, it can see your face to unlock after a slight tap to wake or rase to wake - none of this physical button mashing that slows everything down.

People who haven't used Face ID sound silly when they try to point out how they think it works.

The extra effort of Touch ID is annoying on my iPad.
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Oh, my, no. Just no. Forget security. FaceID is not a reliable way to unlock a device. I hate faceID on my X. It’s supposed to be able to tell it’s me when I change glasses, shave, or lighting changed. Nope. Fails at least 1 out 5 times. Might be more often.

I wish it worked for me, but it doesn’t.

Luckily Apple support is one of the best things about the company. You should have exchanged it a while ago. Sounds like you have a defect.

 

[Rogifan]

Even if I loved them, I can fairly confidently say I don't need them, especially if I have to pay up for them.

Great, face ID makes touch ID archaic. If touch ID works for me, and touch ID is not "broken" and needing replaced by something, then why don't you believe me when I say I really don't need it since I'd have to pay up for it?

My phone is lying on my desk right now, on a charging puck, about 18 inches away. I can instantly wake it by resting my finger on it, not having to pick it up to face me. How is that not a bad thing...works for me and may even be preferable to Face ID, as many of Apple's recent innovations require the user to often do 1-2 more physical actions just to get the "new improved feature" to work.

What are the one or two more physical interactions? Look at your phone and swipe up. Unlocked. Simple. And for your example I can cite of being able to unlock my phone in the winter when I have gloves on which wasn’t possible with Touch ID.

 

[4jasontv]

That's an argument made by someone who hasn't used Face ID.

If you can see your screen to interact with it, it can see your face to unlock after a slight tap to wake or rase to wake - none of this physical button mashing that slows everything down.

People who haven't used Face ID sound silly when they try to point out how they think it works.

The extra effort of Touch ID is annoying on my iPad.
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Luckily Apple support is one of the best things about the company. You should have exchanged it a while ago. Sounds like you have a defect.

I have two of them. It’s more likely it simply doesn’t work if your appearance changes more than once a day.

 

[Ryth]

I earn a wage I consider to be rather robust to be able to support buying an Iphone now and then (engineer for 25 years), but anything over $500 for a phone that's likely to require replacement every ~3 years does not seem like "low cost" to me!

Good God, is $750 before Apple Care really considered "low cost" to the admittedly Apple-fanatics (of which I still consider myself one) around these parts?

Did the (no longer available) $379 iPhone SE and (currently available) refurbished iPhone 7 for $379 seem like giveaways?

Well I upgraded from a 5s to the Xr. Using the 3 year upgrade you mentioned, my cost per day is .75 cents ($799). I find that completely affordable and reasonable for a device that basically is a must have for day to day life now.