Kuo: iPhone XR Pre-Order Demand Over First Weekend Exceeded That of iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus

[tromboneaholic]

I have two of them. It’s more likely it simply doesn’t work if your appearance changes more than once a day.

That's weird because both me and my wife wear glasses on and off, and never have an issue. In my wife's case, lipstick, eyeshadow, etc... have no effect on it working.

The only advice I can offer is to make sure you set it up under the same conditions you're unlocking it.

 

[Tozovac]

Well I upgraded from a 5s to the Xr. Using the 3 year upgrade you mentioned, my cost per day is .75 cents ($799). I find that completely affordable and reasonable for a device that basically is a must have for day to day life now.

I don't disagree, it may be for you. If you're not in the market for a macbook and ipad every few years too, and aren't buying phones for a significant other or older child, then yes it's may be a "low cost" option for you.

My initial post wasn't criticizing the price/value as much as questioning calling $750 a "low cost" option. Unless "low cost" threshold keeps rising. Soon $1000 could be called "low cost" when the iPhone XX is $2000.
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What are the one or two more physical interactions? Look at your phone and swipe up. Unlocked. Simple. And for your example I can cite of being able to unlock my phone in the winter when I have gloves on which wasn’t possible with Touch ID.

Phone is lying on a charge puck face up, 18 inches away. Looking at my phone would require me to stand up and hover, or pick up my phone to face me.

Considering that it's winter 3 months of the year and easier to just touch it 12 months of the year for me, ain't nothing broken with Touch ID that makes me yearn to replace it, especially paying up for it....

 

[4jasontv]

That's weird because both me and my wife wear glasses on and off, and never have an issue. In my wife's case, lipstick, eyeshadow, etc... have no effect on it working.

The only advice I can offer is to make sure you set it up under the same conditions you're unlocking it.

That’s unreasonable. I have 7 pairs of glasses and I have to switch between at least three over the day. Some are sunglasses, some are transitions, and some are standard glasses. On some days I have to wear contacts. I shave my head and face based on how open my schedule is. I have to wear face shields and or face masks. I’m inside and out in direct sunlight throughout the day. You might say I have an atypical use scenario, but I see it as the same life I’ve had for years.

Then there is the issue when I pull it out and it thinks it saw a face that wasn’t mine before I even look at it and it decides to lock itself up.

 

[Ryth]

I don't disagree, it may be for you. If you're not in the market for a macbook and ipad every few years too, and aren't buying phones for a significant other or older child, then yes it's may be a "low cost" option for you.

My initial post wasn't criticizing the price/value as much as questioning calling $750 a "low cost" option. Unless "low cost" threshold keeps rising. Soon $1000 could be called "low cost" when the iPhone XX is $2000.
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Well just like with everything...inflation happens. Low cost a few years ago say for a burger for lunch in my area was around $3.00...now your lucky to find a burger under $6.00. Years ago, $1.00 a slice for Pizza, now it's more like $3.00....as money continues to be easy to get with credit & people are allowed to spend like this freely the entry cost of goods will continue to rise.

I think bar none the ipad and macbooks will last MUCH longer then a phone because they have much less usage for most people unless they are part of your job.

 

[iMEric984]

That's cool. My 7 was gawdawful to where I'd lose 12% for a half hour phone call. 10 day old phone. Leave home at 100% and arrive at work with 97%, having not used it. 30 minute commute.

If you notice, I ponied up $740 for an 8 with apple care. I just wouldn't call it a low-cost option by any stretch, which was the point of my first post - do others really consider it "low cost" even if it's on the lower end of Apple's offerings. I do not consider it low cost by any stretch...magnified if I were buying 2-3 for family members.



I bought my MBA in Aug 2014. By this time last year, it started to show its age, but I've pressed on and still use it. After 3 years I think the battery is swelling and the trackpad is acting wonky. Charging isn't working too well with my cable so an $80 cable is in my future. The SSD isn't cheaply upgradeable, as my storage needs increase as I age. Do I spend $500 on a battery, SSD upgrade, and new cable or sell and possibly go current MBA or next-up-tbd with a reasonable keyboard for $1100+. I think 3 is a reasonable # where things can start to feel their age.

I had a 7 Plus and that phone gave me unbelievable battery life. Did you have background app refresh on?? What about screen brightness. There are many different factors into why or why not the battery can last or not. My XS Max is really good. Even better than the 7 Plus I previously owned. I’m one that always keeps the screen as dim as possible. But that’s just me.

 

[tromboneaholic]

That’s unreasonable. I have 7 pairs of glasses and I have to switch between at least three over the day. Some are sunglasses, some are transitions, and some are standard glasses. On some days I have to wear contacts. I shave my head and face based on how open my schedule is. I have to wear face shields and or face masks. I’m inside and out in direct sunlight throughout the day. You might say I have an atypical use scenario, but I see it as the same life I’ve had for years.

Then there is the issue when I pull it out and it thinks it saw a face that wasn’t mine before I even look at it and it decides to lock itself up.

Glasses on or off shouldn't be an issue. Some sunglasses will block infrared light from passing. That should really be the only time it fails for glasses, but a lot of manufacturers are getting away from producing glasses that block infrared for this reason.
A face mask, would probably cause it to fail, unless you set it up as an alternate appearance (which iOS 12 allows) while wearing the face mask.

 

[44267547]

As someone who was "forced" into spending up more than I would have liked to have spend for my 8 since I found the 7's battery life to be blah.

I never heard someone being ‘forced’to upgrade their phone, do you care to elaborate how you were forced?

You mean Fail ID?

Retina and fingerprint (Touch ID) can even distinguish twins which is a known weakness of Fail ID.

Out of curiosity, why did you Google the most flawed things about the iPhone with face ID? I mean, I could (Or anyone for that matter) easily could have done the same thing, but how is that supposed to make your argument more clear because you posted _randomly searched_ videos of what a few videos incidate contrary to the millions of others who successfully use face ID every day.

 

[Dephtones]

makes sense. from the 7 to the 8 there wasn't much of a difference at all. it shouldn't be a surprise a relatively affordable next gen iPhone beats those numbers

 

[Tozovac]

I never heard someone being ‘forced’to upgrade their phone, do you care to elaborate how you were forced?

Considering nobody is forced to buy a phone in the first place....

My 5S was truly dying. Cracked after 2 screen replacements and 1 battery replacement. Enough is enough. Plus it's pretty darn slow even with iOS12.

Thought about an SE but seeing how poorly 3-4 year old phones fare with newer iOS's, that seemed like a short-sighted option, as much as I like the SE size and headphone jack's flexibility for my particular usage.

Looking at Apple's offerings, next up was a 7. Tried it for 7 days but felt the battery life was awful for my experience.

Took it back and bought the next up, 8.

With no "SE 2" offered or coming and with the 7 being disappointing, I was forced to buy an 8 as the best balance of not spending stupid high money but not buying for only 1-2 years of expected "snappy" performance.

Satisfied?

 

[TallManNY]

It all comes down to the individual. I had a 7 and the battery was great, lasted a full day like every iPhone I have owned. I also have never purchased Apple Care (so not needed), but clearly the costs are too much for you to stomach. I would consider giving a cheap android a try and seeing if it's any better.
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Until we get into the multiple days category (for me), it really makes no difference to me. I take it off my charger in the morning, it lasts until I go to bed at night. That's all I need.

Me as well. And I think Apple feels the same way. Though having juice to cover the times I forget to charge it and at least allow me to comfortably get to work where I can plug it in is a key level. (Or, and this was applicable when I was dating, stay over at my girlfriend's house and then get home.) Apple's phones reached that for me a few years ago. For others (and maybe they use their phone more or more likely they are bad service zones) the regular sized phones aren't quite there to cover the next morning. For those folks, the Max size or the XR might be the level that gets even the power users or the folks in bad zones through the night and into the next morning.

The next level for me is a phone that lasts three days so I can do a weekend trip and not need to worry about a charger. We are far from that level and I don't think Apple cares much about getting to that point. Note, Apple could make that phone now if they wanted. But most of the time it would just have the user carrying around more battery than they need or using an under-powered phone.

 

[gnasher729]

Not surprising considering the 8 and 8+ were a marginal update, and the Xr is a radical redesign of the low-end iPhone.

It's a radical redesign of the not-extremely-high-upper-end iPhone.
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I have waited to decide on XS or XR, I want to handle them in person first. Either way looking forward to a smaller form factor than my 7+.

So you would be the kind of customer who definitely doesn't pre-order.
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I could never see today's $750 phone getting $450 after 3 years, but that's just my thought. See any 6s's getting $450 in the MR for sale area?

X's are now selling for $750-ish, after less than 1 year. Maybe I could see an X selling for $450 after 3 years, for a total of $700+ depreciation, give or take.

I think some people would gladly pay $450 for a 3 year old iPhone Xr _today_, but of course it doesn't exist. But in three years time you'll get a much better phone for $750. A brand new iPhone Xr would be worth maybe $550 in three years time, and a three year old one maybe $300.

 

[lec0rsaire]

Duh! The 8/8 Plus didn’t look like the flagship but identical to the 7/7 Plus in a case! The XR shares the same chassis design just with a slightly inferior LCD display. It also comes in fashionable colors. Personally I dig that blue but I usually always buy black phones with the exception of the iPhone 4S but it was a mistake since the white bezels were distracting when viewing video.

 

[robotphood]

I'll never understand people wanting a flagship phone, but not actually buying the flagship model. Let's amortize the increased price of the Xs over the Xr. Let's say the difference is $250. That's less than $0.35 (thirty five cents) a day over the course of two years. Why wouldn't you just get the Xs?

Even if you buy it outright, like I did, it doesn't make sense to save merely $250 when you look at how long you will keep the phone.

I’m in this boat. I’m on a 128gb 7plus and wasn’t really thinking about upgrading this time around (I upgraded yearly since the 4). But my screen just crapped out and I decided to swap in a cheap aftermarket screen ($25) and trade it in (t-mobile is offering $390 worth of bill credits for it). The issue for me is 64gb is too small and 256 is much more than I need. That puts the 256gb Xs at $350 more than the 128gb XR. Spread over time it doesn’t add up to much but the main differentiator that matters to me (the screen) isn’t worth the $350. My SO has an X so I’ve spent time with it and although it’s very nice, my eyes are plenty happy with the plus screen. Hopefully the XR is on par but those 2nd hands on videos seem promising.

 

[wbeasley]

Xr. The Apple phone for those who like colors but not specs. Not even Full HD screen res so worse then iPhone 6. Four year old tech beats a 2018 release? Hmmm

They’ll sell heaps. Just hope their eyesight isn’t too good.

 

[VictorTango777]

Xr. The Apple phone for those who like colors but not specs. Not even Full HD screen res so worse then iPhone 6. Four year old tech beats a 2018 release? Hmmm

They’ll sell heaps. Just hope their eyesight isn’t too good.

That can actually be a benefit. The slightly larger screen, lower resolution and PPI should make text appear larger and easier to read.

The colors might be for those hoping to not get shot while holding the phone.

 

[Cosmosent]

AAPL calls it the "XR" because of the Porsche 911 R.

APPL calls the other newer models the "XS" because of the Porsche 911 Carrera S.

Got a hint about it on another website (i.e., that there's an association to sports cars), which enabled me to put the pieces of the puzzle together rather easily.

The great mystery has now been solved !

 

[MoreRumors?]

Kuo is just so amazing in his assessment on pre-orders. It's like he works for Apple shipping department.

 

[44267547]

Considering nobody is forced to buy a phone in the first place....

The reason I asked, was because you were not clear in your first post when you said you were ‘forced’, naturally one wants to know how somebody is forced to upgrade a phone, especially being the consumer makes the choice on what they’re upgrading to, not the manufacturer.

With no "SE 2" offered or coming and with the 7 being disappointing, I was forced to buy an 8

It wasn’t a surprise there was no SE 2, and I don’t think Apple ever intended it to be that way. I think the original SE that was introduced in March 2016 was to be a limited edition model, which speaks volumes that was only offered for just over two years.

For the record, whatever you decide to upgrade to, is your own prerogative, the iPhone 7 was never ‘disappointing’. That was the first iPhone that actually offered stereo speakers, water resistance and a dual camera (Yes, those are considerable features over the 6s). It was a very successful iPhone in it’s own right, not sure how you can classify this as disappointing.

 

[2GoldFish]

"iPhone XR pre-order demand in the first three days of the device's availability was "better than that" of the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus during the same period last year, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo."

Is this a surprise for anyone? Not being sarcastic, a genuine question.

 

[lyngo]

$750 starting isn't low cost. Xr is pretty much a blown up SE and should be priced accordingly at ~$549. Without the Apple logo it would cost ~$249.

How is it a blown up SE? It doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.

 

[Wags]

"iPhone XR pre-order demand in the first three days of the device's availability was "better than that" of the iPhone 8 and iPhone 8 Plus during the same period last year, according to Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo."

Is this a surprise for anyone? Not being sarcastic, a genuine question.

No surprise to the statement. Never will no if true or not. Kuo statement pretty much at the same time as all the stock disappears and shipping dates pushed out. Hmmm. One thing for sure, the investors will be told best ever. However that needs to happen.

 

[PeteS1963]

XR is sold out in Apple's target market for this device. All colors and capacities have a 1-2 week lead time in China.

The 6.1" display and dual-physical SIM is exactly what Chinese consumers want and it's clearly showing.


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Same in the UK. And I’d bet many other European countries too. But for very different reasons I bet.

 

[JPack]

Same in the UK. And I’d bet many other European countries too. But for very different reasons I bet.

It was sold out in China and HK within 24 hours. It's only now that the UK and other smaller markets are seeing this longer lead time.

 

[Abazigal]

Xr. The Apple phone for those who like colors but not specs. Not even Full HD screen res so worse then iPhone 6. Four year old tech beats a 2018 release? Hmmm

They’ll sell heaps. Just hope their eyesight isn’t too good.

Specs are just the means. User experience is the end. Inconceivable how so many people still don’t understand this very simple concept that led to Apple being so successful in the first place.

 

[Ramchi]

Blown up SE?.......Not quite.

Not I That expect you to answer this question, but did the iPhone SE have the following that the XR includes:

~Wirelsss charging
~Face ID
~High Resolution Display
~Stereo speakers
~Water resistance
~True Depth Camera

That's the point, it isn't cheaper nor premium with low res screen..no 3D touch, no dual camera ... Hope people see value in it after it arrived in the store and see it first hand.