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Kuo: New 14-Inch and 16-Inch MacBook Pro to Enter Production This Year and Might Still Have 5nm Chips
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It woudn't, but my underlying assumption was that Apple won't be updating the MBP annually, since they haven't in the past. If this practice continues, and they do an update in fall 2022, we won't see the next one until 2024.
Of course, if Apple instead puts their AS Macs on the same annual update cycle as their iPhones (which I think would be a good thing) then, yes, we could see an update of the MBP to N5/M2 in fall 2022, and then to N3/M3 in fall 2023.
I think Apple's strategy is the opposite: The iPhones are the first to get the new architecture (makes sense because these are the least architecturally complex chips), but the last to get the new node generation (also makes sense because the iPhones are their highest-volume product, so they're going to allocate the new node production initially to their lower-volume Macs, until production on the new node ramps up).
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yeah true! you mean the touch bar M2?! people buy those ? haha j/k... truth is, they are all great, regardless of M1 or M2... real world issues!
i'd just get M1 MBP if I were you, can always sell later.. I really don't think there will be anything new until early 2023....
3nm will hit the mobile chips first, and hit the desktops/tablets about 12 months afterwards once the manufacturing yields are better.
3nm isn't in phones yet, so it will NOT be in macs or ipads until next year, likely late next year at the earliest.
3nm isn't in phones yet, so it will NOT be in macs or ipads until next year, likely late next year at the earliest.
thats what i'm saying, iphone is apple's bread and butter, while mac sale makes up a significant less chunk.
I’m still not quite following your logic. If they updated the MBP this October / November, that would be an annual update, and the next could logically happen end of 2023.
In any case… can we say that apple *categorically* has never updated the MPB annually? I guess I’d have to do a little research but I suspect there have been times when the period between updates has been around a year, they were kind of at Intel’s mercy for a CPU spec bump.
That said… with Apple controlling the SOC and the way they market these days, It seems less likely they’d do a quiet spec bump and instead try to have enough things to talk about to make some fanfare. 🤷🏻♂️
Ah, you're right. I thought the current MBP's had been out longer, but in fact they were released last October. In addition, historically the MBP's have indeed had a yearly or better update cycle. Not sure why I was thinking otherwise. So it looks like I got everything wrong--seems I'm not having a good day! Probably was distracted looking at the complimentary nuclear secret I got with my last stay at Mar-a-Lago (they were running a promo).
Well, they’ve probably ranged between 12-18 months from what I can see. I don’t know that there’d be a reason to have a strict annual cycle like the iPhone has. They could easily go one way or the other, since they have 2 general timeframes that they like to announce new products (Spring and Fall). We’re just barely getting into M2 territory — I’m really curious to see if they adopt any kind of cadence and what that looks like.
The main thing that the 5nm process give them is shipping chips. The 3nm process is just getting setup and it will take a while for volume production to be ready.
The M2 is not massively hotter than the M1. The cooling systems on the MBP are strong and can handle the heat.
At that size and viewing distance, the extra resolution of 4K would be just more pixels that you cannot see. There would be no practical benefit.
I think the benefit of them going annual would be two-fold. First, they now use A-series based microarchitecture in the Macs. And that does update annually. An annual update cycle for the Macs would allow them to synchronize with that. Second, I think a predictable update cycle benefits iPhone sales, and would do the same for the Macs.
I think consumers would like it too. If you're thinking about buying a new iPhone, you don't have to consult the tea leaves to guess when the next model will be released. That same predictability (if Apple's actually able to achieve it) would likewise be welcomed for the Macs.
My source for the MBP's having had a yearly-or-better update cycle is Wikipedia's excellent page for them:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro_(Intel-based)
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That's not really the reason. Mobile requires the highest efficiency chips, and also they're smaller and easier to make due to the way manufacturing works - especially when the new manufacturing process is in its early stages and has a higher defect rate while the issues are being worked out.
Making big chips on a not yet reliable process = much worse yields = too expensive.
You do realize from M1 to M2 will be a very minor update right? That's due to the M1 MBP's being so good. That M1 to m2 to move is a lateral move. The real increase push forward is the M1 to M3 3nm tech.
Looks like new MacBook Pros in early 2023. Maybe a March event!!
Would make little sense for Apple to have 5nm chips in the M2 and then 3nm in M2 Pro and up. They will save it for the M3, give everyone another reason to upgrade next year.
To keep up with a yearly update cycle (which MBP have been on with very few exceptions) they will use the technology they have now. M2 is the "S" cycle. The bigger leaps will be in 2023 when 3nm comes to the M3 (The 3 stands for 3nm) and then the M3 Pro.
To keep up with a yearly update cycle (which MBP have been on with very few exceptions) they will use the technology they have now. M2 is the "S" cycle. The bigger leaps will be in 2023 when 3nm comes to the M3 (The 3 stands for 3nm) and then the M3 Pro.
Like i said, its about ease of production. New process tech is hard. It hits mobile first, smaller CPUs second and larger chips last.
TSMC 5nm is still current/new. TSMC will be offering that for larger products, and bleeding edge 3nm will be for mobile (phone) parts only until the yields are improved.
I'm sure Apple would love to put the M2 Pro on 3nm, but TSMC simply aren't building those types of parts on 3nm yet - and Apple don't own their own fabs.
m2 pro and m2 max were designed for production in 3nm, it won't be 5nm, no chance. production will start this year and the premiere of new devices next.
times have changed, apple designs processors itself, they are manufactured by an external company. it's a long and complicated process, introducing new models every 18-24 months.
yes according to this we are looking at an update sometime in 2022... for the 14 and or 16