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HDMI is the new VGA DSUB. It's the lowest common denominator, and it sucks balls compared to the alternatives. No one smart chooses it if they have another choice.

If you want to see what future HDMI versions will support, look at what DisplayPort supports now, and then keep in mind that pretty much every part of the HDMI spec is optional, so manufacturers are free to avoid whichever bits they want and still claim it's "HDMI 2.1".
I connect my Mac to my 2K monitor and my 4K TV with HDMI, and it works the same exact way as if I'd used DisplayPort... if the TV even had DP input. I don't care about supporting the theoretical 8K monitor I may have some day.
 
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Why is that though? Is there even a market for USB-C replicators? I’ve never needed more than the four that come with MBP, and most larger peripheral equipment has built in replicators 🤔
For a long time, the chip simply didn't exist. Like, 2016-2019. Nobody needed more ports either cause nothing used those ports except adaptors to older ports.

I used company budget to buy an expensive CalDigit dock for my corp laptop with all the ports... it has no USB-C ports.
 
They phased out DVD drives when nobody really used them anymore, and there was a long transition phase during which Macs had both DVD drives and other connectivity.

Considering it was a new generation of iMacs having Superdrive that came *after* the MacBook Air was announced, it would imply Apple believed people still used them when the MacBook Air was released.

iPhones never supported Flash from the start, and it wasn't common on other phones before, so no existing use cases were affected.

The question wasn't if Flash was used before the iPhone. So I don't know what you're talking about. We're talking about inconveniences for the broad customer base when Apple decides to help kill off a piece of technology. Did you ever visit a flash website during the early iPhone days and shrugged that you couldn't view it? I sure did. But I'm glad Apple did it.

The USB-C transition was just, you all have to use this new feature right now, and it's not even ready, so we sell expensive dongles so you can reverse the change.

Now you're just going off topic.
 
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Wake up? Mine are perpetually on, and there’s never any lag on either my 2016 or 2020 MBPs 🤔
The touch bar sleeps after a while, requiring a press to wake it up. On my 2016 one, I've had some background tab start creating noise during a meeting, and the touch bar wouldn't respond for a few seconds.
 
If that were true, Apple wouldn't have shipped a new iMac generation with a Superdrive.
Because iMac users still used DVDs for a while, given that they're more often doing heavier tasks, but that went away on its own schedule too. Plus the DVD drive has way more problems when it's portable.

The question wasn't if Flash was used before the iPhone. So I don't know what you're talking about.
It wasn't an inconvenience to decide not to support a use case, Flash on mobile, that was never really there to begin with. I remember tech writers moaning about it back then, and I was thinking, who the heck actually cares.

Now you're just going off topic.
This comment thread is about Apple killing old ports. I don't know what you want.
 
bringing back the sd slot is such a stupid idea. for professional cameras, plenty of them use CFAST cards and a lot of them are moving over to USB-C SSDs. have you seen the cost and max size of high performing SD cards to record 4k/6k/8k ProRes RAW/Blackmagic RAW footage?

let's move on from SD. Apple was right to remove them. rather have an extra USB4/Thunderbolt 4 port.

this is one of those situations where Apple should tell everyone to shut up and be glad they're removing the Touch Bar at least.
I just bought a brand new Lumix G5S and it uses SD cards.
 
not talking about what's happening today. talking about trendlines.

and no, BMPCC has both CFAST and SD, and most use CFAST because SD has a max size of 256GB (at least that's what's available on the compatiblity chart) while CFAST has 1TB cards available. Most use CFAST or SSD for recording BRAW 6k footage.
All my points still stand. Using SD cards for cinema grade raw footage has never been a thing. So trying to use that as an example is laughable.

Additionally, laptops are for field work and lighter tasks like photography, lighter video work, graphic design, etc. The same types of work that use and will continue using SD cards. Taking a very specific use case (processing RAW footage) that MacBooks aren’t even ideal for as an argument against something most people would find useful is ridiculous.
 
Because iMac users still used DVDs for a while, given that they're more often doing heavier tasks, but that went away on its own schedule too.

Which would mean people still broadly used DVD drives for years after the MacBook Air was released which I said which was when the majority still used DVD drives. What I said remains true.

It wasn't an inconvenience to decide not to support a use case, Flash on mobile, that was never really there to begin with. I remember tech writers moaning about it back then, and I was thinking, who the heck actually cares.

Considering more than half of all websites used Flash in some way and iPhone was touted to have a full browser built in, it was definitely an inconvenience when someone visited a site that needed flash in some way.

This comment thread is about Apple killing old ports. I don't know what you want.

Killing off USB-A is nothing like killing off DVD drives, but you're bringing up expensive dongles as a counter-argument to my DVD drive case which makes no sense as USB-A is a completely different scenario. Off topic.
 
Which would mean people still broadly used DVD drives for years after the MacBook Air was released which I said which was when the majority still used DVD drives. What I said remains true.
The majority of people _had_ DVD drives. Didn't mean they used them more than on rare occasions.

Considering more than half of all websites used Flash in some way and iPhone was touted to have a full browser built in, it was definitely an inconvenience when someone visited a site that needed flash in some way.
It wasn't a regression. You'd go to your PC to browse such a site, same as before you had the iPhone. The 2016 MBP was a regression from the 2015 one.

Killing off USB-A is nothing like killing off DVD drives, but you're bringing up expensive dongles as a counter-argument to my DVD drive case which makes no sense as USB-A is a completely different scenario. Off topic.
Then why are you talking about DVD drives in the first place on an article about 2021 MBPs and USB-C? Scrolling up... yeah, you're talking about Apple killing things that are still widely used.
 
Additionally, laptops are for field work and lighter tasks like photography, lighter video work, graphic design, etc. The same types of work that use and will continue using SD cards. Taking a very specific use case (processing RAW footage) that MacBooks aren’t even ideal for as an argument against something most people would find useful is ridiculous.
Same. I always figured the heavy duty equipment used something besides SD but didn't know what. Just because someone has lighter needs doesn't mean they're not a creative pro. And let's not pretend most MacBook "Pro" owners are even using them for professional needs.

Still, idk why the SD card is needed. Don't all these cameras have USB cables?
 
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Wow, I never expected to see so many people worked up so much over a SD card slot or a HDMI port. I believe the problem is really an I/O bottleneck that can only handle so much. USB C apparently uses the most bandwidth with four USB C ports taking just about all the designed bandwidth. All other ports have to compete for any remainder bandwidth. Adding more ports reduces the number of USB C ports. Everyone wants to protect their favorite port. Instead of fixing the I/O problem we focus on the circular firing squad. My self, I am from the "It just works" mentality and I hate dongles, period. Apple has allowed this fan schism to fester by keeping quiet about the limitations of the current technology. I expect Apple will, in time, innovate its way past this problem. I wish it would happen sooner than later.
 
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I'd rather have a micro-sd reader, where you can fully insert the card and eject via software.
That would be a nice addition.
 
The majority of people *had* DVD drives. Didn't mean they used them more than on rare occasions.

"Rare occasion" is still considered "usage". Apple helped accelerate the killing off that "usage" which would be inconvenient for those that needed that "rare usage". What I said remains true.

It wasn't a regression. You'd go to your PC to browse such a site, same as before you had the iPhone. The 2016 MBP was a regression from the 2015 one.

You're mistaking what is an "inconvenience" with what is a "regression".

Then why are you talking about DVD drives in the first place on an article about 2021 MBPs and USB-C? Scrolling up... yeah, you're talking about Apple killing things that are still widely used.

SD port are single function: to read and write data on a medium.
DVD drives are single function: to read and write data on a medium.
USB is multifunction: to read and write data on a medium, to charge devices, to plug in an input device like a mouse/keyboard/controller, to plugin a display, etc...

USB is an entirely different discussion. You're failing at making a proper comparison in this context.

There's a reason why I didn't bring up something like Touchbar, you know that thing that replaced function keys that goes along the lines of what you said about "Apple killing things that are still widely used".
 
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Given that the mbp16 has no such issue driving four external displays, using the same intel tb3 controllers, I don’t buy this.
They have 4 thunderbolt controllers. All 4 ports support 40gbps. Where as the Intel and M1 Mac mini only have two controllers. Just the Intel version had two extra ports but still only two controllers.
 
It was one example of many technologies they tried to get rid of. I threw in headphone jacks for two reasons
1) while it’s not directly related to Macs it bolsters the argument
2) I didn’t think I’d have to sit in front of a panel of expert and break down every detail they misunderstood

I think it’s best for us both that going forward it’s just reacts for you buddy, I can’t keep doing this lmfao
And I responded to you Headphone jack comment. Seriously I don’t see an issue here??? You said it was an issue they removed the headphone jack and I replied.
 
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Removable storage allows users to swap out cards and keep shooting. In professional settings one will often pop out the card for someone else to offload/backup while they continue shooting with a fresh card.
So the slot is really only important for people who care so much about their photos that they need to back up on the spot, otherwise they'd just store the cards away. I won't question the pros' methods, but that does seem niche enough to warrant the answer being "get a USB SD card reader."
 
I was really hoping for USB-A. I don't care if it's ugly. If you're adding back SD and HDMI go all the way with an I-don't-care-if-it's-ugly MBP. (BTW, I don't think it's ugly, but I assume Apple thinks USB-A is ugly.)

There are no USB-C devices that can replicate the functionality of an always-in flush USB-A flash drive.
 
The computers are never perfect for everyone.

Personally I couldn’t care less for HDMI, USB A Or the Touch Bar. An SD card slot is usefull but not a deal breaker.

Buy the right tool that suits you.
 
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