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Why support data transfer at all on the non-pros's? 99.99% of non-pro owners probably never connect their phone to a pc or Mac for data transfer.

Because preventing all non-Pro owners from making encrypted local backups to their own computer would be a ridiculously bad idea. Maybe if Apple could first be convinced to implement end-to-end iCloud backups, but good luck with getting that past the feds. Yes this cataclysmic limitation would only affect a small percentage of users, but that doesn’t make it an acceptable notion.
 
It would be so petty from Apple if they limit the USB-C to 2.0 speeds.

Although it’s very unlikely. Definitely will have Thunderbolt 3 and Pros will have Thunderbolt 4/ USB4 like Macs and iPad Pro
It’s not unlikely. iPhone 15 and 15 Plus are very likely at this point to get the 10th Gen iPad treatment. USB-C port, 2.0 speeds.
 
It really depends on what kind of I/O chip Apple uses. It may be able to support USB Certified 5Gbps without the extra cost of Thunderbolt 3/USB Certified 10Gbps connectivity.
 
It’s quite simply my friend. Apple is limiting the capability intentionally and it’s nefarious. Why wouldn’t someone be upset? Give people the choice. Don’t limit what’s available.

They are by segmenting the market and offering products with various features at various price points.

You literally ignore the people who transfer large size or data frequently, such as offline music library and video library, to watch on the go or whatnot.

Considering that is likely a tiny percentage of users, it's not surprising; and I say this as someone who regularly loaded up an iPad Pro with GB's of video to watch while flying and traveling.

Apple should flick a massive middle finger to the EU and make the port Thunderbolt 3. The EU said that the port has to use a USB-C connection. They did not say what kind of port it has to be. Yes Apple, hold up your middle finger and give it to the EU. Make the product better for all of us in the process.

The EU only defined a charging standard, data transfer is not part of the standard any companies are free to implement whatever they want.

If Apple went wireless they could still implement a proprietary plug data port, as a (highly unlikely) example.
 
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This makes no sense. I could see USB-C for the low end, and Thunderbolt for the high end, but somehow forcing USB-C to be at USB2 speeds?????

I'm highly dubious on this one.
 
I do find it odd that Apple never used USB 3.0 speeds via Lightning, which is what they did with the original 12.9" iPad Pros. But the iPhones only used a 2.0 version.

I would expect the non-Pros won't need 3.0 since there's very little on that type of iPhone that would require that kind of speed. It'd be nice, but I don't expect it.
Apple did not want to be told what to do. There is no intention from the EU to have a high performance port that none of Apples competitors can in any way match. A thunderbolt port is an Apple only device. That’s not in the sprint of the EU order,which is designed to make everyone the same. But it is also not something that the EU can do anything about.
 
It really depends on what kind of I/O chip Apple uses. It may be able to support USB Certified 5Gbps without the extra cost of Thunderbolt 3/USB Certified 10Gbps connectivity.
Apple does not pay for thunderbolt. They are an original developer with intel and have a lifetime license. With the new Apple Silicone design they make their own thunderbolt controller.
 
I think they’re saying- “If it’s not the product you want, whether it’s because it lacks features or because the price is too high or etc, why is there a severe emotional response rather than just choosing to not buy the product? Since that’s how it usually works with other companies, why is it different with Apple?”
Show me a non-Apple phone that runs iOS, and I'll buy it.

The problem is that I don't want a phone OS produced by an advertising company. I used Windows Phone until I literally couldn't.

If Apple continues pushing the ad business, I may bail out, but I'm not sure what I'd switch to. Windows isn't viable, and all of the other de-googled Android variants are little better than a dumb phone.
 
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I think the last time I transferred any files from my iPhone over a cable was around 1976.
 
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Apple does not pay for thunderbolt. They are an original developer with intel and have a lifetime license. With the new Apple Silicone design they make their own thunderbolt controller.
But they may not want Thunderbolt connectivity with the "regular" iPhone 15 models with USB Type C due to possible power requirements for Thunderbolt usage. Going with USB-IF Certified 5Gbps connectivity will still be a big improvement over the 480 Mbps connectivity of Lightning.
 
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Yet another example of Apple finding a lame way to make you upgrade to “Pro”, saving $2 per item in the process…

That said, is anyone still using the cable to actually transfer data to/from an iPhone in 2023?? I remember the scissor-cuts-the-cable icon and it probably was around Steve’s death time
 
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LOL, another Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo assumption. more times than not he is slightly correct or totally wrong. at this point in the date who cares. They cost much more than this year's phones.
This.

He screw me with the "iPhone 7 is going to be all-screen with TouchID under the display" and then again with "the iPad mini 6 will be the same design as the iPad Mini 5". **** that guy.
 
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Never understood all the fuss behind lightening. The only upside for moving to USB-C is having one less cable to carry, and that is mostly neutralized by MagSafe. Airdrop is more than sufficient for almost all the needs.
E.g. I don't have any USB-C devices so I don't have any USB-C cable. But I have enough lightning cables. With the discontinuation of lightning there will be less and less accessories in next years and it will be harder and harder to find someone who could lend you a cable if you forgot yours and you need one.
OK there is always innovation and a change in standards. But USB-C is from 2016 and it's no natural innovation but forced externally by EU.
Why and how can we see a next gen if no company will invest a penny into a new technology because they don't know if this will be accepted and allowed by politicians as a new standard?
 
This got me scratching my head. I can't fathom the difference in the cost of putting in USB 2 vs USB 3.2 being so great that it would be a hindrance.
 
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With the discontinuation of lightning there will be less and less accessories in next years and it will be harder and harder to find someone who could lend you a cable if you forgot yours and you need one.

You know you can just order a dozen cables for less than a dollar each from Aliexpress and then distribute them where you usually need them (car, house, workplace,..). That way, you always have a cable on hand.

Most modern stuff uses USB-C anyway, from the iPad over the Switch to the powerbanks.
 
Show me a non-Apple phone that runs iOS, and I'll buy it.

The problem is that I don't want a phone OS produced by an advertising company. I used Windows Phone until I literally couldn't.

If Apple continues pushing the ad business, I may bail out, but I'm not sure what I'd switch to. Windows isn't viable, and all of the other de-googled Android variants are little better than a dumb phone.
Welcome to the world where all competitors have been eliminated and no one appears to give two hoots.
 
You know you can just order a dozen cables for less than a dollar each from Aliexpress and then distribute them where you usually need them (car, house, workplace,..). That way, you always have a cable on hand.

Most modern stuff uses USB-C anyway, from the iPad over the Switch to the powerbanks.
I was thinking about being abroad.
 
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