Kuo: Vision Pro Likely to Launch in Late January or Early February

[Lounge vibes 05]

I guess the engineers didn't want the 3G to run 4.x either, but marketing had decided that it was too early to cut off support. At a technical level, surely the footprint is roughly the same for both devices.

my assumption throughout the first several years of iOS was that the aim was for devices to have two major updates and that would be it.
And that’s pretty much how it was, until 2012 when the 3GS broke the mold and received another year of updates.
But certainly they did have a pattern going for a while, the original iPhone and iPod touch got two years, as did the 3G and Touch2, and the third generation iPod touch, and the original iPad, and even the fourth generation iPod touch.
At the time though it was pretty much the best that was around, especially since the earliest Android phones were usually limited to the operating system they shipped with.

 

[ProfessionalFan]

So January event?!

 

[Unami]

It's obviously not going to sell much but still more than if any other company did it - it's not going to fall in the "flop or not" category in it's first years, regardless of how much is written about that.

But it still feels rushed now, as if apple wants to get over it asap.

I'm pretty sceptical about what this is for. Early impressions make it clear that it's not as crisp as a real screen - so not a good for the "unlimited extra screens for my macbook" usecase. (Also, you'll probably only get one screen with some lag and compression artifacts). There's so far no VR-content announced (although I think that'll change - like launching the iPhone with "web apps" but without an app store back in the day).

What little we have seen so far looks like a very aenemic version of the already severely limited iPadOS in AR, including 2D iPad apps in a window plus 3D Video. All of that in a pretty heavy and expensive device with little battery time.

We'll see what they motivated developers to create when the device launches, but atm I still don't see the hype compared to (at and before launch also controversial) products like the ipod, iPhone, iPod or Apple Watch. True, those also had bad reviews, doubting critics and people ridiculing their often limited functionality at launch. But there were also loads of people who were excited even if they could not afford those products. Imho it's not like that now.

 

[Bonte]

I have the funds set aside for a crazy tech buy and I really really want one, but i still can't justify buying a Vision Pro. I bought a $1000 Apple Watch and I don’t use it at all, money down the drain. I’m suspecting that the VP will be the same, very fun for some people but not really useful for me.

 

[epox999]

I'm still confused if all the processing happens internally in the goggles on this or if it requires a MacOS computer and / or an iPhone to send video to it

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

it still feels rushed now, as if apple wants to get over it asap.

original iPod: eight month development time
Original iPhone: 2 1/2 year development time
Original Apple Watch: four year development time
Apple Vision Pro: nine year+ development time.

If there’s one thing this product isn’t, it’s rushed.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

I'm still confused if all the processing happens internally in the goggles on this or if it requires a MacOS computer and / or an iPhone to send video to it

Internally.

 

[gatorvet96]

500,000 times $3,499 is just $1.7495 billion. Not a big thing by Apple standards. Far away from being the "next iPhone".

The first iPhone only sold around 1.4 million. and now look at it. First Apple Watch likely sold way less than they do now. It is a long game

 

[Jankie]

Apple will obviously sell as many as they can make. It will be supply constrained, not demand constrained.

They will probably sell out initially. However, I am more interested in how many return the device.

 

[Lounge vibes 05]

over 80% of teenagers in the US use iPhones.

it’s not even close.

Once those people grow up, they will more than likely continue to use iPhones.
Also, people aren’t spending thousands every year for their iPhone, especially in the US.
People usually don’t pay full price and prefer to sign contracts and lease agreements, and phone upgrade cycles have been getting longer and longer.

 

[klasma]

Now, the Vision Pro has been under development with ALL of Apple’s resources behind it for at least three years and this is the smallest they’ve been able to make it. It doesn’t even have an onboard battery.

So no, this isn’t like multitouch. This is a complex system with a bunch of parts that can’t be miniaturized much more than they already are without major compromises.

This system will never be small enough to fit in a pair of glasses.

Apple’s AR R&D project actually started at least eight years ago: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...xplore-smart-glasses-in-deeper-wearables-push

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Not my videos, and not clickbait videos. Apple will experience a MASSIVE decline.
The next months will prove this. People are tired of Apple's desperate and toxic greedy "leadership".

I would surprised if 75% of iPhone owners even know, or care, who the leadership of Apple is. I just asked my sister, who has been using an iPhone for years, and she doesn't even know who the current Apple CEO is.

Regardless, I agree with the person you replied to. I never watch videos that someone sends me as a reply, from any source.

 

[klasma]

I don't know what they mean either. But at this point, the M2 is a year and a half old, and its cores are more than two years old. If the Vision Pro does ship with the M2 rather than M3, I'd be curious about the reasons.

The reason would be that it’s good enough for the initial version, and that the design was finalized before the M3 became available, and possibly because M3 production capacity is not unlimited, and a better econonimcal choice is to allocate it to the Macs and maybe the upcoming iPad Pros.

 

[Surf Monkey]

I would surprised if 75% of iPhone owners even know, or care, who the leadership of Apple is. I just asked my sister, who has been using an iPhone for years, and she doesn't even know who the current Apple CEO is.

Regardless, I agree with the person you replied to. I never watch videos that someone sends me as a reply, from any source.

Most people don’t know who their Senator and Congressman are and many can’t even point to their state on a map, so…

 

[klasma]

I'm still confused if all the processing happens internally in the goggles on this or if it requires a MacOS computer and / or an iPhone to send video to it

The processing happens internally. Any wireless solution would have much too high latency to be workable for AR.

 

[theOmega]

Some comments here are hilarious, those are gonna sell like hot cakes

 

[bobcomer]

you literally don’t, you can control it with just your eyes.

Sorry, that's a fail for me too. Dwayne syndrome is a weird one, my eyes don't focus or track together -- how is it going to use my eyes for tracking if one eye is turned in and the other is just straight ahead? (and the reverse if I'm looking the other way!)

You'd be surprised how many people have have eye problems and can't see in 3D, nor are their eyes going to be trackable like a normal stereoscopic visioned person. Some 12% can't see in 3D, and there's other conditions that would make tracking hard.

For me, I would need a physical controller of some kind that fit my capabilities -- not much of a market based thing...

Notice the people most critical about this product are also the ones who refuse to put 10 seconds of research into their concerns about it.

I seriously hope you're not talking about me here. I've done the work on researching vision and I deal with accessibility issues all the time. I was seriously interested in how people actually see and sight perception. The kicker is that outside of about 20 feet, I see just as well as someone that can see in 3D, our brains adjust quite well when we're young and we don't lose that. (minus some amount of peripheral vision). But I just don't see any accessibility allowances for people like me with the vision pro right now, but there are definitely ways of making something like it that would work GREAT for the disabled. It'd have to be ai based though, and trainable. Think of actually assisting to do things rather than just another way to see a movie or have another computer screen(s).

Give me a glasses size HUD display that could tell me exact distances and flag anything that I should pay attention to, and add automatic vision adjustment, and I'd buy it in an instant, at $3500 (or more even). I'm not interested in having virtual computer screens or watching movies by myself. I quite like watching movies on an OLED TV and my existing computer screens serve me quite well, and don't run out of power in 2 hours.

 

[Born Again]

so an 3500 device will not sell well?? wow...even macs that are over 3000 are not selling well
This is not your position, its a world wide fact that a lot of people cannot afford a device like this, especialy something that is not a must have, for now

The point was will this product be a hit? Some users are saying yes. IMO for it to be a hit it has to have IMMEDIATE use case not POTENTIAL! One should never buy a project based on promises of future software updates.

So I ask you will a $3500 VR headset

 

[spaxxedout]

Apple and other tech companies will soon lose a lot of revenue, and I think that’s okay. The years of harvesting income on yearly phone upgrade cycles with the backing of promotional 0% interest and carrier marketing incentives were unsustainable. Phones have hit a performance ceiling and will soon compete on price rather than novelty. I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing.

There are some valid criticisms about Vision Pro, but I want to mention the constant argument that this is a solution without a problem or that there needs to be some killer app to make this a success.

Let’s focus on media consumption. There is a natural evolution of information density that has been going on for 100 years. Radio > Black and White TV > Color TV > ?. These products all fill the same need. The advancements aren’t inventions for new problems, they’re optimizations to increase the richness of content. Headsets are the only way you can extend this cycle of optimization. Popular TV’s hover around 55 inches because that’s about the biggest box a consumer can carry in their car. Vision Pro is a natural next step.

It’s missed that Vision Pro media experiences are universal for everyone and agnostic of the environment they are used in. It’s a technological hack like to when humans discovered multi-floor housing. We only have so much sensory bandwidth. Vision Pro maximizes our visual and auditory perception pipelines while offering complete stereoscopy and binaural separation (low latency AirPods Pro). These two sensory features do not occur in nature and cannot exist without this type of equipment.

A lot of fanboy nonsense I’m sure. Bottom line is this: there has been a trend for 100 years to increase the information richness of media. Vision pro is able to increase this richness astronomically without needing large equipment or new architecture. That is an efficiency hack that is not getting the credit it deserves.

 

[Abobrek]

This could be MONUMENTAL for accessibility. It gives me chills to think about. Human ingenuity overcoming the cruelty of nature and misfortune.

Edit: apparently some people laugh at, and downvote, the idea of disabled and permanently-injured people being able to enjoy life more and be productive because of the advanced technology in Vision Pro. Nice.

How exactly someone who is disabled or have limited mobility put an Apple Vision Pro on exactly? Also, you do realize a major part of how an Apple Vision Pro is used is by tapping two fingers together, right? How would someone who is disabled or have limited mobility use the Apple Vision Pro?

 

[spinedoc77]

With my checkered past in this arena, am I allowed to say: solution in search of a problem? /s (sort of)

 

[spinedoc77]

I think a lot of this ignores Apple's true value, that consumers simply want Apple devices and social status. We all pontificate how Apple's products are more "simple," or they "just work," but that's all a bunch of BS IMO because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to use the other paradigms. The shift towards more high end and expensive consumer products gains more steam every year, those who can afford buy, and those who can't afford use credit. Functionality, in many cases, has taken a back seat simply to being able to show off your purchasing power.

With that said, I still believe in the power of functionality in Apple's products as a shareholder, just not so much as a consumer, which is an odd dichotomy. I buy shares on a regular basis, but it's been a while since I've purchased an Apple product and doubt I'll purchase one anytime soon. Warren Buffet, probably the king of investing in companies with sound fundamentals, has nearly half of Berkshire in Apple alone.

 

[Dionte]

Mine is probably in a box somewhere right now. 🥰

 

[bobcomer]

No one is going to watch your clickbait videos

I did, at least the first one.

Some truths, some clickbait, not enough attention to the computer industry as a whole. The death of Apple is highly exaggerated.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Most people don’t know who their Senator and Congressman are and many can’t even point to their state on a map, so…

Hence why Apple isn't going to be affected by people's view of their leadership, because they don't know, or care, who the leadership is.

I barely care who their leadership is.