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Kuycon G32P - 31.5″ 6K (6144×3456) IPS Black Monitor
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OK, so I've tried TB5 and DP 2.1 cable as well as changing the OSD to 2.1. Nothing seemed to enable the HDR option in macOS for me. I'm reverting back to the TB4 cable at this point. In conclusion, I believe my M1 Max Mac Studio simply isn't capable of this.
Already had two but the extra couple of inches on each may increase my productivity a little
Or at least that’s what I told my accountant.
For anyone coming from an ACD, the start up time is less than half half. I’m sure if you’re coming from an ASD or similar high end kit it’s a bit slower but it’s about a second or so. My ACDs were about 4 or 5 seconds
Sold my 2020 iMac a week ago on eBay and have been using an older 27" LG 4k monitor with my new Mac Studio since then. I have the Asus ProArt 6K on pre-order from B&H, but am closer and closer to cancelling it for the Kuycon. The Kuycon is $300 more, but I really do miss the glossy display of the iMac. I didn't think I'd mind a matte display, but the way it diffuses the light across more of the screen really bugs me.
We'll see... someone talk me out of it!
We'll see... someone talk me out of it!
Get it Get it!!!!
I'm really happy with it. Been looking for a 6k 32inch glossy and this fit the bill perfectly.
Nope. When we're talking about this kind of money, for something you'll spend that much time staring at, and there's a visual quality that actively bothers you, I suspect this is something you need to do. Even if the difference turns out to not be that great, the doubt has been planted and it's already eating at you. It's not only the quality of the product that determines your contentment with it. Don't spend the next 8 years wishing you'd pulled the trigger on what you think is better, unless you have a particularly good reason.
But I have a clarification question. If you have don't have the other display yet, how do you know the way it diffuses the light across the more of the screen? Just reviews?
It's part of the frustration of online reviews; we see prospective displays on our current displays, hear speaker systems through our own speaker systems, and so if our current equipment isn't as good, it's hard to interpret what we see and hear for ourselves. And who researches to downgrade?
Good point about insuring we're happy with what we're spending our money on! An extra $300 isn't all that much spread out over the (hopeful) lifetime of the monitor. We're already in pretty pricey territory when you compare these to the vast majority of still really great 4k monitors out there!
Regarding the matte diffusion, My experience is with my current LG 4k monitor I'm using. For the latest 5 years I've used a 27" iMac with the amazing glossy screen we all know. I had thought I may even enjoy a matte display with its inherent glare reduction. I was pretty surprised when I was seeing the light diffusion from the window behind me on this LG. I'm sure all matte displays aren't the same, but it has me worried the Asus would be similar and I just don't enjoy it
I'd like to ask real owners of this monitor who don't have HDR option in the settings.
Could you please open this image at full resolution and then observe it and check if any of the lines or text are blurred together.
Providing photo evidence would be greatly appreciated!
Could you please open this image at full resolution and then observe it and check if any of the lines or text are blurred together.
Providing photo evidence would be greatly appreciated!
I opened the image. Here is a screenshot. The text and lines are only as sharp as the original image which was provided, but I don't see any of the lines blurred. The only line that is a bit hard to read is the red text on a blue background, but I think that is just my eyes.
thank you a lot, but, unfortunately, screenshot won't show the possible issue. Could you please take a picture of your screen specifically "red on blue" and "blue on red" areas (bottom ones)?
@Car_Dude @thenewepic
It might help to explain what information the image is helpful in determining - sorry it's a bit complicated...😉
Here are RTings instructions:
Quote from their Learn webpage:
Windows Paint using a PC Preview, then observe it and check if any of the lines and text are blurred together.
If none of the text blends together and shows artifacting, then the TV and mode you are using does not use chroma compression and is showing chroma 4:4:4.
It's also important to make sure that Windows scaling is set to 100%. With larger, high-resolution monitors it is common for Windows MacOS to scale UI elements at 200% or more, and this can cause false positives when testing for Chroma Subsampling.
So, it's a test to determine if a full RGB 10 bit signal is being displayed by the monitor.
At 100% size on a Mac 218ppi monitor the image is just over 5.5 inches across - if it's not that small then the monitor's settings aren't right.
If the signal chain to the monitor doesn't have enough bandwidth for this full signal, then one way of reducing the bandwidth is to reduce the amount of colour information being sent to each 'pixel' - the group of 3 RGB phosphors that are built into the screen matrix.
This is called Chroma subsampling, and depends on an encoding algorithm called YCbCr, (sometimes shortened YUV).
Y is the luma (brightness) component, and Cb and Cr are the blue-difference and red-difference chroma components.
From this, the full RGB information can be mathematically derived.
If the signal for each phosphor is fully encoded, then there is no subsampling, and this is written 4.4.4.
If the full Y information is sent - individually to each pixel, but the Cb and Cr information is sent at half bandwidth, then this is 4.2.2.
With this each horizontal pair of adjacent R, G and B phosphors get the same balance of colour information, so there is half the colour resolution.
This subsampling is routinely done with TVs, where fine detail in colours (of moving images) are far less obvious - the eye is more sensitive to brightness than colour.
TVs mostly use HDMI for the input, and MacOS sometimes sees a monitor connected to the Mac's HDMI port as a TV (or projector), and sends a YCbCr signal - not the full RGB 4.4.4, which gives the best image on the computer monitor showing text and graphics.
The RTings test image is designed to show if the signal being sent to the monitor is using 4.2.2 compression.
If it is, then blue and red phosphors (and green!) will only be working at half resolution.
But to see this the RTings image must be displayed at 100% size (not bigger or less).
And the monitor must be set to show a full resolution image.
Which for 6K is 6144x3456.
Not half that in HiDPI...
Then a photo with a camera (iPhone) must be taken to record what the actual screen phosphors are showing.
A screen grab just shows what the Mac is sending, and doesn't show if subsampling and compression is happening on the way to the monitor... 😉
This is an example of the difference the test shows with a YUV 4.2.2 signal.
It clearly shows the halving of the resolution for low brightness strong colours.
(Taken from @yaosiang in the DIY 5K monitor thread, this posting):
It might help to explain what information the image is helpful in determining - sorry it's a bit complicated...😉
Here are RTings instructions:
Quote from their Learn webpage:
HOW TO TEST FOR CHROMA SUBSAMPLING
Testing for chroma subsampling is very easy. Just (download, and) open up our test pattern inIf none of the text blends together and shows artifacting, then the TV and mode you are using does not use chroma compression and is showing chroma 4:4:4.
It's also important to make sure that Window
So, it's a test to determine if a full RGB 10 bit signal is being displayed by the monitor.
At 100% size on a Mac 218ppi monitor the image is just over 5.5 inches across - if it's not that small then the monitor's settings aren't right.
If the signal chain to the monitor doesn't have enough bandwidth for this full signal, then one way of reducing the bandwidth is to reduce the amount of colour information being sent to each 'pixel' - the group of 3 RGB phosphors that are built into the screen matrix.
This is called Chroma subsampling, and depends on an encoding algorithm called YCbCr, (sometimes shortened YUV).
Y is the luma (brightness) component, and Cb and Cr are the blue-difference and red-difference chroma components.
From this, the full RGB information can be mathematically derived.
If the signal for each phosphor is fully encoded, then there is no subsampling, and this is written 4.4.4.
If the full Y information is sent - individually to each pixel, but the Cb and Cr information is sent at half bandwidth, then this is 4.2.2.
With this each horizontal pair of adjacent R, G and B phosphors get the same balance of colour information, so there is half the colour resolution.
This subsampling is routinely done with TVs, where fine detail in colours (of moving images) are far less obvious - the eye is more sensitive to brightness than colour.
TVs mostly use HDMI for the input, and MacOS sometimes sees a monitor connected to the Mac's HDMI port as a TV (or projector), and sends a YCbCr signal - not the full RGB 4.4.4, which gives the best image on the computer monitor showing text and graphics.
The RTings test image is designed to show if the signal being sent to the monitor is using 4.2.2 compression.
If it is, then blue and red phosphors (and green!) will only be working at half resolution.
But to see this the RTings image must be displayed at 100% size (not bigger or less).
And the monitor must be set to show a full resolution image.
Which for 6K is 6144x3456.
Not half that in HiDPI...
Then a photo with a camera (iPhone) must be taken to record what the actual screen phosphors are showing.
A screen grab just shows what the Mac is sending, and doesn't show if subsampling and compression is happening on the way to the monitor... 😉
This is an example of the difference the test shows with a YUV 4.2.2 signal.
It clearly shows the halving of the resolution for low brightness strong colours.
(Taken from @yaosiang in the DIY 5K monitor thread, this posting):
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This YT video has just appeared, too soon for the Translate function to be enabled..?
Comparison with the Pro XDR at the end.
Comparison with the Pro XDR at the end.
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In the meantime, here's a translation by ChatGPT that seems pretty good. Just download and remove the .txt extension. Then you can use a youtube downloader and watch the video in VLC and add this subtitle file.
Just watched the video—here are some key takeaways:
- The panel is from LG.
- Same panel as the Dell U3224KB.
- No HDR support.
- Excellent build quality.
- The Apple XDR still offers way better picture quality, especially in black levels and nit level.
This contradicts the response I had from technical support and the set up I have with HDR available.
I also notice the way the monitor is connected to the stand in the video is weird! It’s like he has the VESA mount connected to the stand and monitor. The monitor connects to the stand directly without the VESA mount for a much cleaner look.
EDIT: In fact at 03:10 it looks like he has 2 VESA mounts in play.
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I hope this doesn't contravene any rules. I've uploaded the review linked by @PaulD-UK and added the subtitles supplied by @excalibur313 to Vimeo:
With what we know so far about the HDR feature, I'm guessing my MBP M1 Pro (with TB4 and HDMI 2.0) won't be able to pull off 6K+HDR. Is there any external solution that would allow for this? Such as connecting the computer to some external hub with 2 TB4 cables or something?
Is the stand he uses in the video not the one that comes with the display if you order them together? Or does the stand that comes with it include a VESA adapter that can be removed? Could you reproduce what he does in the video with what you received? Also, does the "cleaner-look" setup rotate 90°?
I gather he doesn't know about the need the set the display to DP 2.1 to get HDR support in macOS.
If you search for HDR in the Dell 6K U3224KB Monitor thread, you'll see HDR support has been an ongoing question, depending on your hardware and input/cable setup.
The stand he's using looks the same as mine. But when he unboxes it, it is already fitted together. Mine came in two parts that screw together. His also comes out of the box with a VESA adapter connected. He also shows that their is a VESA adapter in the main display box. So at this point he has two VESA adapters. I think he then connects one VESA adapter to the display and then connects the display to the stand which already has a VESA adapter attached. So he has display>VESA>VESA>stand. He's gone double bubble on the VESA adapters!
No, he has two VESA adapters. I received one, in the main display box, separate from the stand. The stand was in a separate box but my box was smaller than the one shown in the video because his seems to come already put together. My VESA mount is sat unused as it isn't needed to connect the display to the stand. It will come in useful if I decide to buy a VESA arm in the future – another nice free add-on that Kuycon include in the box!
Yes my set rotates 90°.
it looks like there is some "external" solution.
Users of Dell 6K U3224KB have the same problem. They resolve it with specific Cable Matters USB-C to HDMI cable as it said in the respective thread.