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And who exactly are selling such virtual tables and at what cost ? Why would any restaurant want to make such investment when their customers already have required hardware in their pocket ? Why limit the viewing experience just to the restaurants virtual table, when one can do the same at home or at the bus station before I go there ?

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I'm genuinely confused by your response. When I said virtual table and virtual camera, I mean a 3d model of a table and a virtual camera, just like the food is a CG model. All the AR is doing is mapping a plane with some sort of depth and placing a 3d object on it, and then using the camera and sensors to determine how to change your view of the CG food.

Consider this: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f3/b9/f4/f3b9f46131f0a9ec19dada6f54dbae2e.jpg

What is the difference between that table and the AR one? It's just a table. It isn't doing anything other than providing a plane and frame of reference. They could have just as easily replaced the real table with a fake one in AR, just like the burger.

Using AR in this way is pointless. It does nothing that can't be done just as well without AR.
 
Okay...mac pro needs to hurry up and get released. I would love to use latest "hopefully" upgradable mac pro tech to work on ar. I love the food ar. It would give me a better sense of what the food looks like. The zombie game? It killed psvr. Let's roll out. I love to make a game with that kinda experience.

What does AR have to do with knowing what the food looks like? The food is just a 3d model. You could see how the food looks without AR just as well.

Here's some CG food you could also view in exactly the same way. How would AR make this any better or useful? The only difference is that this table you're looking at would be a real table and the CG would obviously look like it's just floating on a table and not actually sitting on it.

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I guess I'm getting old. The more new tech I see the more I feel it adds zero value. Just new ways to entertain ourselves with games......I am getting old.
you do realize these are just a few highlights of the possibilities of AR right?

especially the menu thing, how is that a game?
i can tell you, one of the most infuriating things I've experienced, is going to try out a new resturant, finding something that looks good, ordering it and finding out that i just paid 32.00 for a plate of food, half the size of what you were expecting, meanwhile your wife/spouse who just wanted say, a simple place with a salmon fillet,have nearly a mini feast on her hands.

sure its a small issue to have, but being able to sit on, say, my kitchen table while planing our date night, and i could see the Actual dishes, with a somewhat accurate scale of size, would easily be able to help people out when finding a dish or plate they want to eat.

and again, this is some of the first generation AR software coming out. take this same idea(seeing a dish or plate of food) and apply it to anything else, and it can still be life changing.

ever ordered clothes online? imagine being able to stand in a mirror and literally see the clothing on you, simply by holding up your phone and looking at the screen, while still in your own home.
Or imagine painting a room in your house or looking for a new bed/couch or other peeve of furniture? being able to see exactly what the piece would look like in your room without having to pay for it, move it all the way in and realize its not something you really want?

at the end of the day. reading about something can only tell you so much, and even, like in the case of furniture, looking at it in a store setting can only tell you so much about the item. as anybody who has purchased individual furniture pieces no, things can look directly different when you get them home surrounded by your own furniture, rather then in the spacious set ups in store, surrounded by their hand picked items that quite literally, perfectly match and mesh with it.


and these are a few examples of things i could think of, using only the one example from the article, and with my limited imagination as well.


just remember people also said that APPs were just simple gimmicks in the beginning with the original iPhone, and that all they were is just simple games or had limited gimmicky purposes like a slightly junkier calendar or calculator, but look at them now, now you can literally run your entire life off of apps. everything from ordering groceries, to getting rides to and from work, to turning the lights on/off in your house, starting your card, running your business, monitoring the stock market, booking your flight and travel arrangements and even video chat with loved ones.

there is a whole lot of possibility here, you just have to literally imagine it.
 
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What does AR have to do with knowing what the food looks like? The food is just a 3d model. You could see how the food looks without AR just as well.

Here's some CG food you could also view in exactly the same way. How would AR make this any better or useful? The only difference is that this table you're looking at would be a real table and the CG would obviously look like it's just floating on a table and not actually sitting on it.

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Agreed, that demo is gimmick unfortunately.
 
So basically an IHOP menu with 3d pics for upscale restaurants and a Tamagotchi for 2017, what a time to be alive..

Still nothing but a gimmick that only a few will take advantage of it.

I agree with the sarcasm. There is nothing new under the sun, but people will still fall for it, until they're bored, and then they'll turn to the next new thing . . .
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you do realize these are just a few highlights of the possibilities of AR right?

especially the menu thing, how is that a game?
i can tell you, one of the most infuriating things I've experienced, is going to try out a new resturant, finding something that looks good, ordering it and finding out that i just paid 32.00 for a plate of food, half the size of what you were expecting, meanwhile your wife/spouse who just wanted say, a simple place with a salmon fillet,have nearly a mini feast on her hands.

sure its a small issue to have, but being able to sit on, say, my kitchen table while planing our date night, and i could see the Actual dishes, with a somewhat accurate scale of size, would easily be able to help people out when finding a dish or plate they want to eat.

and again, this is some of the first generation AR software coming out. take this same idea(seeing a dish or plate of food) and apply it to anything else, and it can still be life changing.

ever ordered clothes online? imagine being able to stand in a mirror and literally see the clothing on you, simply by holding up your phone and looking at the screen, while still in your own home.
Or imagine painting a room in your house or looking for a new bed/couch or other peeve of furniture? being able to see exactly what the piece would look like in your room without having to pay for it, move it all the way in and realize its not something you really want?

at the end of the day. reading about something can only tell you so much, and even, like in the case of furniture, looking at it in a store setting can only tell you so much about the item. as anybody who has purchased individual furniture pieces no, things can look directly different when you get them home surrounded by your own furniture, rather then in the spacious set ups in store, surrounded by their hand picked items that quite literally, perfectly match and mesh with it.


and these are a few examples of things i could think of, using only the one example from the article, and with my limited imagination as well.


just remember people also said that APPs were just simple gimmicks in the beginning with the original iPhone, and that all they were is just simple games or had limited gimmicky purposes like a slightly junkier calendar or calculator, but look at them now, now you can literally run your entire life off of apps. everything from ordering groceries, to getting rides to and from work, to turning the lights on/off in your house, starting your card, running your business, monitoring the stock market, booking your flight and travel arrangements and even video chat with loved ones.

there is a whole lot of possibility here, you just have to literally imagine it.
It's just our vain attempts to be in control and limit risk. And so far it's about consumption and avoiding reality, not to mention analysis paralysis. So what, you pick the wrong food. Get over it, learn for next time. And quit wasting time trying to find the perfect. It never will be on this earth and in this life. Sorry for the rant.
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I guess I'm getting old. The more new tech I see the more I feel it adds zero value. Just new ways to entertain ourselves with games......I am getting old.
I've been feeling the same thing for the last few years or so, and I'm only 36. Is it just me? Is there an age where we begin to tire of the new (because nothing really is)? Or is so much of tech now just about stroking our vain ego and avoiding risk, causing us to miss out on real life in the process?
 
I still don't see AR any more than an annoyingly gimmicky and jittery animated background. In every case presented so far, I am unimpressed and don't see an application lasting longer than 5 minutes. In most cases, you are presenting information as an overlay over the real world, in other words, the real world is a distraction to the information you are trying to present. Because it's a distraction its an added layer of complexity, I think this fad will die on the basis of the KISS principle. It's trying to propose solutions to things that are not a problem. We already know how to overlay information in the real world, they are called "signs" perhaps you have already heard of them? Going to a museum and holding up a camera over the Mona Lisa, only to have the text cover her and bounce around in relation to a gyroscope is in no way a supirior to you physically looking at the Mona Lisa, and seeing a static multimedia/information come up on your phone that you can read at your leisure. Hotspot or "beacon" technology is just better than watching a bunch of twits walking around, taking up space through some combination of interpretative dance crossed with the lion king, trying to view everything they can through a 2-3 inch "floating window".

VR, on the other hand, does solve problems, by transporting you into the virtual world, that you can interact with. Full immersion, not a crappy 2-3 inch window into the virtual world covering the real one defeating the purpose.

I will admit apple have done a good job of making ARKit the best example of a flawed concept that is dead on arrival.
 
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Are you serious? I bet if a restaurant did an AB test, the AR menu would increase average spending per table exponentially. One of the biggest barrier to entries to a new restaurant is not knowing what to order. Thats why people look at food pictures on yelp all the time.

Now imagine having the food displayed right in front of you in AR, along with reviews and people's comments.

Now imagine doing that BEFORE you even decide on what restaurant to go to, all in the comfort of you home.

This is game changing. Can't believe how people are calling this a gimmick
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Ya... And instagram is basically a digital photo album; Google is a table of contents at a library; the smartphone a miniature laptop that fits in your pocket; and none of those things ever changed our lives...
The value add is very little compared to simple 2D pics of food but I'm sure that some restaurant will come along and take this to the next level eventually. How about making a plate of real fries come to live with AR? That would be an attraction for the kids in any restaurant. Or a virtual Habachi chef that prepares the real food you have in front of you?
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Don't get me wrong, that dog is cute as hell, and it's kind of funny to watch/interact with (Pokemon GO also was big for this reason) - but am I the only one who thinks this is a relatively unnecessary form of interaction? Just seems like unless you're using it for a specific purpose (although a 3D menu wasn't exactly what I was thinking), that it's kind of annoying.
So if your kid is begging you for a puppy that you don't want to clean up after or cannot afford or you live in a no pets building...you're not going to spend a few bucks to make them happy with this instead of dealing with a real pet for the next 12 years? It's not a nececessary interaction right now but it will become 2nd nature to the everyone once we're all connected in AR or VR to the far reaches of the world.
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What does AR have to do with knowing what the food looks like? The food is just a 3d model. You could see how the food looks without AR just as well.

Here's some CG food you could also view in exactly the same way. How would AR make this any better or useful? The only difference is that this table you're looking at would be a real table and the CG would obviously look like it's just floating on a table and not actually sitting on it.

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Ok so let's say I'm ordering delivery and I want to see all the food I'm getting on my table in my home before my dinner guests arrive. I want to virtually set the table, seating arrangements and see what each course looks like. That could be useful and fun to plan the dinner without spending any money until I'm ready to order.
 
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What does AR have to do with knowing what the food looks like? The food is just a 3d model. You could see how the food looks without AR just as well.

Here's some CG food you could also view in exactly the same way. How would AR make this any better or useful? The only difference is that this table you're looking at would be a real table and the CG would obviously look like it's just floating on a table and not actually sitting on it.

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Interaction dude...interaction.

[doublepost=1503979701][/doublepost]My goodness. Gimmick? Yes. Cool? Yes. It enhances real world experience. So why the hate?
 
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AR Kit will allow you to map out your entire home in minutes, or do quick odd measurements without needing a tape measure. That alone is worth it for me.
 
Not going to lie, I just might get the 256Gb or 512Gb iPhone 8 as the ARkit Games like the Zombie ones look bloody incredible! Hopefully a lot more will come and with the ability of multiplayer support. Truly impressed!
 
Answering questions that no one asked, or solving problems that aren't really problems, is the very definition of a gimmick.

Sorry, but nothing compelling here whatsoever. Perhaps one day, but this is tech for the sake of tech. *yawn*

I'm going to go throw a stick with my real dog. Y'all can go and do that with your phone. Enjoy.
 
I love all the potential I am seeing BUT NO ONE IS GOING TO HOLD UP THEIR IPAD OR EVEN PHONE FOR MORE THAN A FEW MINUTES!!!!

Especially you 3D model maker with Apple Pencil. I'm calling BS on that one.

At first, they will. But to really accelerate adoption, there will have to be something that facilitates a more seamless/intuitive way for your eyes to interact with AR than holding up a device (hand-held or other).
Apple eyewear will be that something.
 
You won't catch me eating at restaurants that shows you pictures of the food. I like ones that don't even show you the price. lol....
 
In respect to AR, Apple came, Apple saw and Apple won.

Where's Google, Microsoft and Facebook AR now? Where are the doubters that said that Apple was behind the race?

Amazingly, here's one of them:

So basically an IHOP menu with 3d pics for upscale restaurants and a Tamagotchi for 2017, what a time to be alive..

Still nothing but a gimmick that only a few will take advantage of it.
 
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What does AR have to do with knowing what the food looks like? The food is just a 3d model. You could see how the food looks without AR just as well.

Here's some CG food you could also view in exactly the same way. How would AR make this any better or useful? The only difference is that this table you're looking at would be a real table and the CG would obviously look like it's just floating on a table and not actually sitting on it.

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you compare a static picture CGI with AR that allows for 3d animations?
 
I wonder who will make an arcade game about pirates using ARKit, then it will be an... ARRRRKit game!

*obligatory ba dam tiss here*
 
We already know how to overlay information in the real world, they are called "signs" perhaps you have already heard of them?
Yeah, and have you considered that signs in your country may be different than signs at my country, and maybe solutions similar to this:
https://www.sygic.com/blog/2017/introducing-new-gps-navigation-feature-real-view-navigation

Will help narrow that gap and present some of your signs in a simple, and easy to understand manner, for foreigners.
 
To those of you saying this is a gimmick, consider a use case whereby your entire windshield could have imagery overlaid on it, including vehicle and navigation info.

I think that would be great, plus you wouldn't have to wear any glasses!


That wouldn't work as you are looking at a 3D image through your windshield (i.e. the passenger sees something different to the driver). AR only works as an overlay on 2D video. For the 3D effect you move the phone/iPad around... not your head.

You could replace all the windows in your vehicle with screens, but that isn't practical or safe for the sake of this gimmick.
 
Or perhaps not everyone is as easily impressed as you are. Being able to "augment reality" with an image of food or an imaginary pet doesn't really improve one's life in any material way whatsoever, unless your life is extremely pathetic.

Just an observation. Sorry if that seems negative. My own reality is quite sufficient most days without "augmentation", but to each their own, I suppose.
 
How do you try this stuff out yourself? Is it only available to developers? I've got the iOS 11 Public beta and I'd love to see some of this stuff on my phone....
 
Interaction dude...interaction.

How does AR make it interactive any more than just a CG? You can interact with it exactly the same way whether it uses AR or not.

The whole point of AR is unique, meaningful interaction with an environment that is unique. A 3D model of food on your kitchen table is not interaction. It could just as well be a CG table with the exact same digital food assets and camera movements. If the digital assets aren't interacting in a meaningful way with the unique environment, then it serves no purpose.
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AR for food sounds like a great idea if you're too lazy to actually read the description and think 8 seconds about what it may look like.

Why AR though? Why not just look at the exact same digital 3D assets without AR? AR has nothing to do with the digital food assets. They can be looked at and used regardless of whether you use AR or just rotate the 3D model on your phone/tablet.
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you compare a static picture CGI with AR that allows for 3d animations?

God. Am I the only one who realizes that the burger has nothing to do with AR? It's just a CG burger model. It's no different than the food in that static shot. With Unreal Engine, you could animate and move the camera in the static shot as well.

AR is not what allows the animation. AR is simply mapping the environment and placing the digital assets in it such that the movement of your phone moves the virtual camera accordingly.

You can do the exact same thing with your phone whether it is using AR or not.
 
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