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Hey guys, I don't have a Mac yet, but I plan on buying one the day Leopard is available. With that said, I am also using the laptop for school. I'm majoring in Mechanical Engineering and am a sophomore. My current laptop is an Acer that I bought over a year ago and it's a POS (flimsy screen, had the screen replaced once and they did a horrible job, it's got scratches all over it, the K key works sometimes, the DVD drive is utter crap and is self-destructive).

A few major things that make me want to use Mac is Boot Camp, and Mac has a great reputation for making great laptops. The laptop I'm looking at is a MacBook Pro 2.2 Intel Core 2 Duo model. My student discount brings the price down by 200 bucks. The only thing I plan on getting extra is the 160 gig HDD (because I am going to be using BootCamp and I may try using 3 OS's).

I've been reading this thread and I have a few questions. First of all, how is BootCamp for those of you who have tried it in Leopard? Any bugs? I'm in MSDN AA which gets me free MS software (including a free copy of Vista and XP), so I plan on definitely putting Vista on my Mac and maybe XP (I've been using Vista since it's been in RC1 back in August). I of course plan on using Mac OS X Leopard as the main OS, but I do need Windows for the occassional game (I have a desktop for gaming though) and for SolidWorks, and other programs that I don't have for Mac, or they're not available for Mac.

So, what I really want to know is how is BootCamp in the Leopard so far? I've heard you don't have to make a CD with drivers and that it's all pretty automated. How is the functionality of Windows on the Mac? Any performance hit, any disadvantage, such as worse 3D performance/limited 3D performance on a Mac verses using a PC laptop?

Thank you.
 
From my experience, BootCamp is nearly flawless in Beta form as it currently stands. You most likely won't find anyone who has a legal copy of the Leopard Beta willing to talk about their experience with BootCamp in Leopard. The one thing that remains to be seen actually implemented is the fast OS switching mentioned at WWDC.
 
From my experience, BootCamp is nearly flawless in Beta form as it currently stands. You most likely won't find anyone who has a legal copy of the Leopard Beta willing to talk about their experience with BootCamp in Leopard. The one thing that remains to be seen actually implemented is the fast OS switching mentioned at WWDC.

Do you mind telling me what exactly fast OS switching is? Is it the ability to switch between 2 OS's without needing to reboot? That would be pretty big in itself if they did that.
 
Genious.

Thanks for the Volume bezel grab Wayfarer!! :)

I'm guessing its a Front Row specific bezel?... If thats the case I can imagine it has a different style to give it contrast against the already black / dark Front Row look and feel - after all, I guess the idea is for FR to be used at a distance with a remote control, so the different look of the bezel brings it out more, as opposed to a simple transparent box...? just a thought...

Regarding Apple creating an Application that shows off Core Animation... Remember the Application that Apple built to demo Core Anim at the last WWDC? - image that app built into itunes, an extension of Cover Flow maybe, where all your album art work, music vids, podcasts etc are shown in the 'wall' and typing a search animates those elements forwards etc etc... that would be awesome... Or even (and this might be pushing it) a full screen way to view your computer - an extension to the desktop metaphor?!... See all your files, apps etc - simply start typing - and boom!... :p

You are indeed A Designer™! Apple should seriously hire you. :D
 
Do you mind telling me what exactly fast OS switching is? Is it the ability to switch between 2 OS's without needing to reboot? That would be pretty big in itself if they did that.


It was removed from the Leapard features a few hours after the WWDC finished.

From what I remember, you could switch between OSes without needing to reboot AND your current session would be saved to be continued on later upon switching back. It wasn't virtualisation, it was running each OS natively.
 
It was removed from the Leapard features a few hours after the WWDC finished.

From what I remember, you could switch between OSes without needing to reboot AND your current session would be saved to be continued on later upon switching back. It wasn't virtualisation, it was running each OS natively.

Is this OS switching in this new build? Or has it been stripped from Leopard altogether now:(
 
Well then props to you! Anyone seen some nice OpenGL enhancements in leopard for things such as WoW and rendering in Final Cut Pro and other things? Plus how are the drivers for Bootcamp 2.0? Is 2.0 ready to be the final version or are there still some crappy video drivers we're gonna have to deal with for a while?

Even on the WWDC OpenGl was a lot better than Tiger. Still no where near DirectX performance.

If you were expecting on par gaming performance with Window you'll only be disappointed.
 
It was removed from the Leapard features a few hours after the WWDC finished.

From what I remember, you could switch between OSes without needing to reboot AND your current session would be saved to be continued on later upon switching back. It wasn't virtualisation, it was running each OS natively.
This is SUCH a great idea, I can't believe they took this out. Must have been some enormous technical problems that they decided to scrap it in at least 10.5.0.
 
Just to quell any "Apple won't make it on-time in October" people, Tiger was declared Gold Master on March 31 2005, and had it's April 29th 2005 shipping date announced on April 12th 2005. So I think the timing for an end of October release is looking to be just right.
 
This is SUCH a great idea, I can't believe they took this out. Must have been some enormous technical problems that they decided to scrap it in at least 10.5.0.

I think it was a political decision, not to destroy the market for VMWare and Parallels.

arn
 
I think it was a political decision, not to destroy the market for VMWare and Parallels.

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Well, it's not exactly like Apple is afraid to make entire companies obsolete by making their own versions of software. So it's not taboo for them. Besides, the whole draw to VMWare and Parallels is the seamless integration of Windows and OSX so you can copy and paste between them, run them side by side, etc. That Restart in Windows option won't encroach on that.
 
i thought i was the only one that thought it was weird that Arabic wasn't included :rolleyes:
i think "Marhaba" looks better than "Murhaba", at least thats how i pronounce it where i come from :D

you're right, I guess I wasn't thinking when I wrote it, it's Marhaba, in Arabic the M has a fatha not a damaa ;)
 
Even on the WWDC OpenGl was a lot better than Tiger. Still no where near DirectX performance.

If you were expecting on par gaming performance with Window you'll only be disappointed.

How are you sure? I've seen benchmarks of pure OpenGL apps (not ports) on both Windows XP and OS X (Tiger even) and OS X kept up just fine if not faster on some.

It seems that its mainly when you compare games written for DirectX and to OS X's OpenGL that DirectX beats OS X.
 
I think it was a political decision, not to destroy the market for VMWare and Parallels.

From what I read around the time it was published on the web site and then very quickly pulled, there were also some big technical problems.

Essentially it was going to do a hibernate on your current OS, then wake the other OS from hibernation, allowing you to swap between OS's in about as much time as it takes to sleep and then wake the machine.

Potentially you could interfere with one OS's disk state whilst it was hibernating (i.e. delete a file on the Windows partition whilst in MacOS, or vice versa) which would cause havoc when you then tried to wake the OS. There's lots of potential for corruption and crashes, so it got pulled.

Apparently someone asked an Apple engineer about it at WWDC, and the guy went white and asked how on Earth he knew about that feature, quickly flagged down his supervisor, and within half an hour it had gone from the website. I guess the feature was pulled prior to WWDC, but it was erroneously left in the materials for the website.

It's a shame, as that feature would make Boot Camp much more convenient. Better to not have it than have stuff screwing up and you losing work, though.
 
leopard ical

the ical icon on the dock dose reflects the days date but it dose do it in the applications folder kind of stuped




The latest Mac OS 10 Leopard seed that was released on Friday to developers has introduced a number of notable visual tweaks to the operating system. Notes and screenshots have been gathered from public forums which reveal the improvements found in the latest version of Mac OS X Leopard.


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iCal's icon reflects today's date

- The Welcome Video to Mac OS X 10.5 now has a new audio track and has been posted to YouTube.
- iCal's Dock icon now reflects the current date (image)
- New Desktop images (image)
- New Spaces Icon (image)
- Front Row has its own icon (image) and seems identical to Apple TV
- Menus and dialog sheets now overlay with a translucent filter, allowing you to see a hint of the underlying windows.
- Screen sharing "finally works right" and seems very fast at full resolution
- More user interface consistency across the operating system

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