It’s all silly but years ago when this started coming out, I took my phone out of my pocket when in the car and at work. Still do. THEN the Apple Watch came out and I now have a wifi/LTE transmitter smashed in to my skin. FML.
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Law Firm Capitalizes on Reports Apple's iPhones Exceeded Radiofrequency Radiation Safety Levels in Some Tests
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We've collected data for over 20 years now. I had my first cellphone in 1997 and that thing emitted a lot more power than the cellphones nowadays. You cannot prove that something is not harmful, but the opposite is never proven.
Several people have died because they crossed a busy road without looking up from their phones and ran straight into traffic. Now you can argue whether the phones themselves are dangerous or if they just act as a stupidity multiplier.
(First introduced in Germany, then copied in the UK, where deaths had happen: In addition to the usual pedestrian traffic lights, they also have red/green LED lights in the walkway, which you should see even when engrossed in your phone. )
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With a billion iPhones sold, one cent per iPhone = 10 million dollars.
We haven’t been able to show that the gigahertz spectrum of electromagnetic radiation is inherently hazardous - only that cells exposed to high enough intensity are affected ♂️
Safety limits are always set much lower than the point where something is unsafe. If you figure out that 100 units or more are unsafe, then you don't set the limit to 100, you set it to 20. That compensates for devices that are somehow defective and emit twice as much as they should (say 40, still far from unsafe), combined with idiots who hold their phones to their ears 24/7.
The intensity is negligible though - especially with the new spectrum utilized by “5G”, we’ll have lower than ever radiation strength (as we’ll need a transceiver at every corner) and no penetration from that radiation (hence the many transceivers).
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It’s definitely Disney!
But yeah, it’s not spread evenly across the body though - so they’re probably only considering radii of 2 mm and 5 mm.
Still, phones today radiate milliwatts - not watts.
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So it’s probably 10-20 percent
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In Denmark, that sort of thing is sorted out through the insurance (you’re obliged to be insured if driving a car) and the police if you don’t agree on the circumstances...
There’s no evidence Apple tried to cheat the test, and the fact other companies have cheated has no relevance to Apple. Here’s what we do have:
1) FCC-approved, independent third-party testing certifying compliance.
2) Tests by the Tribune saying the phones do not comply, but which Apple calls flawed because they were done differently.
3) Re-testing by Apple, presumably using their test protocol, confirming compliance.
At the moment, that’s it. Specifically, neither the test lab nor the Tribune suggests any cheating, including compliance testing detection cheats, as was done by Google and VW.
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You can’t just cherry pick the parts of the summary that fit your narrative!
The summary follows on describing:
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Contrasting results were obtained by Yildirim M.E. et al. in 2013. Researchers compared sperm parameters in 4 groups from a total of 145 patients who completed the questionnaire: group 1, varying mobile phone usage duration (0–30 min, 30–60 min and over 60 min), group 2, different mobile phone carriage mode (in the pocket, on the belt and in the handbag), group 3, wireless internet users (duration: 0–30 min, 30–60 min and over 60 min), group 4, users of different types of internet connection (wireless, wired). The authors have concluded that there was no significant difference between period of mobile phone usage and sperm count and motility (p = 0.236 and p = 0.457, respectively). Similarly, they did not find a significant difference between the mobile phone carriage mode and sperm count and motility either (p = 0.837 and p = 0.157, respectively). However, according to their data, sperm motility decreased with the increased use of wireless internet (p = 0.03). Similarly, spermatozoa motility was worse in the group of wireless internet users than that of the wired internet usage group (p = 0.035) [14].
Furthermore, there are differences in the type of cellular device used, the transmission mode at which it operates (“talk” vs. “standby”) and also the distance between the sperm cells and phone. All of these variations contribute to the above–mentioned ambiguity of the results presented in the different cell phone studies [15].”
Don’t get your hopes up. My guess is if the newspaper’s lab tests under the same conditions as the lab that did the FCC certification testing for Apple, the iPhones will pass.Though I agree that this news is a bit overrated, I still hope Apple will replace my 7 plus
Would be cool. Cannot afford their new phone lines
PS Why can’t you afford an XR, it’s less expensive than your 7 Plus.
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Cell phones have been in use for decades now. So if evidence of heath risks exist we should have it by now.
I hate to be the devil's advocate but technically speaking the radiation levels are above the legal limit. I think that's clear and not really debatable. I would also like to think the limit was set to avoid any potential harm to human beings. I would also be somewhat surprised if Apple wasn't aware of the actual radiation levels, especially given the fact that from iPhone 7 to X the level keeps falling (just a little bit suspicious). It's definitely worth attention, as @rdavis41very aptly put, EMF radiation is already linked to various health concerns, so keeping it at the lowest possible levels can only be a good thing.
Problem solved. I was wondering why my iPhone 8 Plus was having so many dropouts.
Clearly, I've not been getting enough radiation all this time.
Clearly, I've not been getting enough radiation all this time.
Remember to ban dihydrogen monoxide while you're at it.
Well, it’s absolutely debatable. Radiation levels are just a number until you demonstrate that you followed exactly the protocol that you are supposed to follow. So one measures X, another measures Y, and you check who followed exactly the protocol.
It’s like saying a car is heavier than it is supposed to be because you weighed it with a full tank and four passengers, when the protocol says to weigh it empty with no more than five litres in the tank.
The point I think is that the problem lies in a legal system that requires lawyers when a legal system that doesn’t could be possible - and in some cases at least a whole lot better.
Not saying that would be easy and not saying that all lawyers are bad but the system is broken when a significant portion of the outcomes of legal cases depends a lot more on who has the best or most expensive lawyers than it does on the facts of the case.
I can’t comment with any real experience in or knowledge of corporate law but I say all this from some experience with things like family law where statements like “best interests of the child” are usually complete BS and it’s often more about best interests of the lawyers.
To decode the release a little bit, this kind of release is an advertisement, seeking individuals to be named plaintiffs in a potential class action. You could see similar press releases issued, for example, almost any time a company's stock declines notably on bad news, and a law firm wants to troll for claims that there was malfeasance or the company failed to disclose issues. When they say they are investigating, they mean they are doing their homework to see if they have a case, and if enough people come forward willing to serve as clients.
Spreading the release, and even including the contact information, MacRumors was pwned.
Spreading the release, and even including the contact information, MacRumors was pwned.
If you want facts (actually measured values)... (and are able to use google translator ;P)
https://www.connect.de/vergleich/strahlungsarme-handys-bestenliste-1500639.html
Especially this: https://www.connect.de/filedownload/documents/118663493/strahlungsbl-connect-2019-09.pdf
Also, radiation from phones is usually measured by many authorities, so claiming a wrong SAR would be rather stupid IMHO.
Last but not least, you always want to keep the transmit power at the minimum possible espcially in order to save battery.
https://www.connect.de/vergleich/strahlungsarme-handys-bestenliste-1500639.html
Especially this: https://www.connect.de/filedownload/documents/118663493/strahlungsbl-connect-2019-09.pdf
Also, radiation from phones is usually measured by many authorities, so claiming a wrong SAR would be rather stupid IMHO.
Last but not least, you always want to keep the transmit power at the minimum possible espcially in order to save battery.
Might as well throw divorce law in as well. Kind of a flawed system when a spouse is sometimes required to pay for a lawyer to represent their OPPONENT in a legal proceeding. Not only that but your essentially paying the lawyer, whose job is to screw you as much as possible. There are too many egregious examples but one quick one......
John Frusciante, guitarist for the Chili Peppers, married Nicole Turley in 2011. Barely over 3 years later she filed for divorce. Frusciante was paying her $20,000 a MONTH!!!! Not child support mind you, though that would be ridiculous as well, no, just 20 grand a MONTH because, hmmmm, I dont know, just because. Well, this paltry sum wasn't nearly enough to survive apparently. She demanded $75,000 a Month. She was entitled after all because, hmmm, not sure why, just because damn it. Oh she was practically destitute, and complained to the court (through her lawyer) that she only had $30,000 to her name!!!! For the love of god, she'll be living in an apartment soon if things dont change. She might even have to get a job, you know, support herself. Thats just not fair. She had married a super talented musician. Someone who had been really successful (prior to their marriage) And she had been lucky enough to have been exposed to this extravagant lifestyle through John's hard work and success (prior to her ever knowing him) and god damn it, he should have to continue supplying her in that lifestyle indefinitely. At least so said her lawyer. That was what was fair!!!! Oh, she also DEMANDED an extra $2600 a month to buy gifts and pay for HER adult brothers expenses. To any rational person out there thinking this is a joke or outrageous at best if not a joke, sadly no. Frusciante it was deemed had to pay her $53,000 a month as who could ever live on $20,000 a month from an ex spouse. And he was also ordered to pay $71,000 of her legal fees to the attorneys who's job was to see to it that he was butt raped six ways to Sunday.
But apple doesn't say how or which step they did that was flawed. Apple is waiting for a court trial to explain.
I’m not on the side of litigious hungry lawyers, but why are we already rushing to conclusions that this is or is not harmful and editorializing it instead of INVESTIGATING it?
sounds like people are mostly just stating what they want to hear or would like to believe
Sad. Not really anything new behaviorally tho...
sounds like people are mostly just stating what they want to hear or would like to believe
Sad. Not really anything new behaviorally tho...
An investigation was already done. What some people are wanting is more investigation by apple.
It's also possible that the type of testing that the companies and the FCC do is very controlled to produce results within the guidelines, and that under normal conditions the phones produce a lot more, which would be another type of issue. I don't know if that's the case, but could be a possibility they are trying to investigate.