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The people arrested are probably mostly the ones overseas, where Apple would be able to get them flogged and beaten without anyone complaining.

Keep in mind that is a small jest, but reality is, it really probably is mostly overseas slave... workers
 
For starters not all are Anti Cook, i seem to like Apple in the era of Tim more than Steve. We never had such a strong a large product line under Steve. Every few yrs Steve would retire some products. Tim has actually increased the number of products. Plus the empathy of customers he has bring up is very nice too. Though the software does seem to suffer more under Tim, but it is because of such a diverse product line, that the task of writing good software has become tedious.

Agreed. Steve Jobs had no qualms about killing products to promote newer/better ones. Example: as I recall, the first iPod mini with touch screen completely replaced its predecessor, even though it had more memory than the mini with touch screen.
 
Loose lips sink ships... While I like a good rumor as much as the next person, I totally respect Apple’s position and wish them success. It’s reprehensible behavior for employees to purposely leak internal information for gain (of one form or another). I like the detective work of real rumors more than the leaks we’ve gotten lately.

It is tough for me to put myself in the shoes of someone who is willing to give up insider information with little to gain (granted, maybe they're being paid a lot of money). At my place of employment, our team works hard for what we produce. Leaking information whether it be roadmaps, trade secrets, or something else is damaging.
 
I hate that these losers leak trade secrets. I hate how selfish it is. It’s like opening someone birthday presents before the big day and then announcing the contents of the presents before the big reveal.

I hope Apple works tirelessly to put these people in jail. Really make an example of leakers. Prison time more than anything else will stop people from leaking.

(Yes, I get the irony of the memo leaking)
(No, I don’t come to Macrumors for the rumors. I come for the forum discussions. Macrumors articles are mostly rehash of other sources and how to guides nowadays. The forums remain decent.)
 
Wow!!!

“12 of those people were arrested” … are you serious, arrested, so you can be arrested by law enforcement for divulging Apple secrets. This is scary, but I remember a few years ago when an Apple employee misplaced a beta-test iPhone (I think he left it in a bar) and Apple convinced local law enforcement to “raid” a home in Silicone Valley to recover the phone. If I misplace my iPhone, can I get police to raid someone’s home to retrieve it.


"These people not only lose their jobs, they can face extreme difficulty finding employment elsewhere” … seriously, so Apple seeks retribution against a former employees by making it difficult for them to seek subsequent employment. In today’s climate, you can’t even give references any more, all you can say is if a person worked for you or not, but I guess Apple has a full-time “revenge” department.


"The employee who leaked the meeting to a reporter later told Apple investigators” … “Apple investigators” sounds like the Nazi Gestapo, so does Apple force you into an interrogation room and “sweat you” until you talk.


Listen, of course Apple employees leaking information is wrong, Apple is the aggrieved party here, but Apple is also an arrogant, self-absorbed company that receives specialized treatment from law enforcement not afforded to the rest of us. That too is unfair.

One can indeed be arrested for misappropriation of trade secrets since it is crime under California law. This link will take you to a good overview of the pertinent law: https://www.foley.com/files/uploads/AIPLA Spring 2016 Trade Secrets Presentation 4827-8788-1521 v1.pdf

There is nothing illegal about giving your opinion of the strengths and weaknesses of a former employee exploring other opportunities. In fact, an honest and accurate appraisal of the employee coupled with an understanding of the role the employee would play may well help to place the applicant in a role where he can excel, and avoid failures which will only further depreciate the applicant's future prospects. Of course, making false derogatory statements about a former employee to a prospective employer may result in a civil lawsuit seeking damages for defamation. Giving a truthful negative opinion is not actionable, and while the timid will be with us always, serious companies that ask for references understand that they must also give them. In many cases it is not matter of undifferentiated competence, but a question of whether the applicant is likely to be a good fit for the particular responsibilities of the job. Certainly if an employee intentionally divulges company secrets without authorization he is highly unlikely to be hired by a company that has trade secrets, and most employers would rather hire someone with integrity than someone who has demonstrated an utter lack of it. In fact, Apple identifying those who have betrayed its trust will not make it difficult to successfully apply for a job at the same level, it will almost certainly make it impossible. I suspect that Bernie Madoff would find it difficult to be hired as an investment advisor, but whose fault is that?

It may not be surprising to you that theft is a crime even in California. Someone who finds an object of value must make a good faith effort to return the object to its rightful owner. The finder is not a keeper until he takes appropriate action to attempt to identify the true owner of the object or gives the object to the police or to the proprietor or other responsible party at the premises where the object was found. In the case you mention, the finder found an iPhone prototype which was being tested by an Apple employee in the wild who inadvertently left it at the bar. That patron of the bar who found the iPhone sold it to a blogger/quasi-journalist working for Gizmodo for $5,000 without ever making any attempt to return the phone to its rightful owner. This made the finder someone who misappropriated a lost object (a crime, but not the crime of theft) and the quasi-journalist a receiver of misappropriated goods. The police, pursuant to a search warrant issued by a magistrate, went to the home of the quasi-journalist to search for the iPhone which they confiscated.

If you misplace your own $5,000 iPhone, and if you can give evidence to a magistrate that convinces him that it is more likely than not that there is probable cause to believe that the iPhone can be found at a specific private property, you can certainly have the police search for it, just like Apple did. Of course, if your iPhone was rejected by Gazelle the police may not be quite as anxious to conduct a search, but that would have more to do with the value of the object than with the identity of the complainant.

Investigators investigate. They may collect facts in a number of ways, only one of which is posing questions to a person suspected of having committed a crime or of inflicting damage on a person or entity in violation of civil laws. No person is required to respond to the inquiries of an investigator, whether private or an agent of law enforcement, nor may an employer or its agent use force or the threat of force to prevent an employee under suspicion from leaving the room or the building. So it may not precisely be the same routine as what Gestapo interrogators practiced. On the other hand, an employee who refuses to answer pertinent questions may very well find his employment terminated.

It also turns out that a victim of a crime who is found to be arrogant and self-absorbed does not thereby render the perpetrator immune from criminal prosecution or a civil lawsuit. Go figure.

Snark aside, and I hope you take this in the spirit in which it's offered, you may want to take a general course in American law, civil as well as criminal. Those courses often correct widespread myths and misunderstandings of how laws are applied. Those who teach these courses understand that it isn't law school, so they often have a sense of humor, and explain matters in a way that makes them easy to recall. Community colleges often offer courses like that, and I am confident that you'd find it entertaining as well as informative.
 
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I feel like Apple benefits from the leaks as well. Since it builds hype to upcoming products without them officially announcing them. If they don’t want leaks, they should be more transparent with their customers and shareholders about there roadmaps.
 
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If you know that Apple is going to release a new iPhone in 6 months, will you possibly buy a competing phone that releases before the new iPhone comes out? I am sorry, but this is an ancient way of thinking for an industry leading company. To add to the irony, Apple has been last on everything except for in the category of unneeded and unwanted, like a freaking Touch Bar on a laptop and not a touchscreen.
It‘s a significant difference if there‘s a new iphone around the corner with same design and better specs OR a completeley redesigned iPhone X
 
Agreed. Steve Jobs had no qualms about killing products to promote newer/better ones. Example: as I recall, the first iPod mini with touch screen completely replaced its predecessor, even though it had more memory than the mini with touch screen.
I think you are refering to when Apple killed the iPod Mini with the iPod Nano which had less memory than the Mini (and no iPod mini's had touch screens; that came with the iPod Touch).
 
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Apple recently posted a "lengthy" cautionary memo on its internal website that uses aggressive scare tactics to warn employees against leaking details about future products to the media [...]
Using aggressive tactics is the normal style in the new Apple. If we users are aggressively asked to accept nagging popups (and the same popup is raised again a few days latter if you don't accept it), why would employees be treated in a different way? Not that I'm comparing leaking confidential data with our right as users to use Apple products with the same power as when Apple stood for excellent products, because the first is not honest, while the second is the right thing to do for any Mac lover... I'm not comparing the two things, I'm comparing new Apple's behaviour, which is always the same for everything: aggressive tactics.
 
If you want a touchscreen the go and buy one. However there is a reason that Apple have not done it. I wonder why the could be? Hmm let me use some intelligence to think about it. Oh yes that's right..could it be that it soon becomes a pain in the bottom when stretching your hand out to use it constantly.

So the iPad pro with smart keyboard doesn't look and need to be used exactly like a touchscreen laptop? Touching a vertical screen? Except the iPad pro is WORSE in this case due to having no mouse support. Hypocritical of Apple to hate on touch screens and that form factor when Apple think it's the 'Future' with 'what's a computer?' And their marketing etc.

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There are so few employees that even know what’s coming around the corner.

There are more issues with leaks coming out of Foxconn, unless you’re an engineer that’s in the know.

That's what I find so interesting. A supply-chain source sees Apple has ordered millions of 4.7" displays, so we could deduce an iPhone with a 4.7" screen was coming in 2014. But when those people try and guess branding we get rumours like "iPhone Math": https://www.macrumors.com/2013/01/20/apple-rumored-to-debut-4-8-inch-iphone-math-in-june/
 
Lol, getting all technical. It was January 30, today is April 13. It’s closer to 2 months than 3.

That’s not getting “technical” at all. :rolleyes:There’s a big difference between 2 to 3 months ago and your exact statement: “last month.”
 
In an enlightened company, your employees ARE your most valuable resources.
Not the ones that violate the law, ethos of the company. But your most important assets are your customers and keeping them good is a job for the most important resource. But good job deflecting.
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Anyway
Apple is like a leaky old ship now, yet with not so much to leak.
Except it’s not sinking.
 
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All these leaks will contribute to the fall of Apple:-
http://*******************/is-apple-going-to-fall/
I would hardly consider reading that article as proof of the fall of Apple - it's dreadful; poorly written, lots of grammatical and syntax errors etc.. It reads like a fanatical teenager would rant.
 
Well, now we know for certain that iOS 12 will only be small feature upgrades and performance improvements. I'm fine with that as long as someone is working on improving Siri beyond new jokes. Otherwise it's not like iOS is really lacking—except in refinement.

One thing that still pisses me off is how difficult it is to select text sometimes. Why is this such an issue? I'll go to select something and let go and it only selects everything above what I had selected. I'll try again and it will cut what I selected in half. I try again and it will select the word after what I selected. I try again and flys out to select the entire block of text. I try to deselect and it won't. A few tries later it deselects. Finally I get a decent selection but it's missing the end word. I slowly try to expand the selection and it flys out and selects the whole chunk of text again. Eventually I get about 80% of the text selected and that's good enough, I just remember the last few words and type the rest. It's not like it happens every day but when it does happen it's annoying as hell! Not sure why something so simple can be a problem in 2018. If iOS 12 fixed this, a few instabilities issues and had a dark mode, that's all I want.
I agree on the text selection, could be not quite as finicky.
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Using aggressive tactics is the normal style in the new Apple. If we users are aggressively asked to accept nagging popups (and the same popup is raised again a few days latter if you don't accept it), why would employees be treated in a different way? Not that I'm comparing leaking confidential data with our right as users to use Apple products with the same power as when Apple stood for excellent products, because the first is not honest, while the second is the right thing to do for any Mac lover... I'm not comparing the two things, I'm comparing new Apple's behaviour, which is always the same for everything: aggressive tactics.
The nagging pop ups were started by Jobs. This really hasn’t changed substantially since I can remember from iOS 6. So it’s a forstall thing. But that’s quite the leap you tried to make there. A to the point memo from management equates to a “strong arm” tactic to the users? I don’t think so.
 
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Not the ones that violate the law, ethos of the company. But your most important assets are your customers and keeping them good is a job for the most important resource. But good job deflecting.
If customers are Apple's most important assets, then Apple has an odd way of showing it. Over the last several years, Apple has "courageously" been quite adept at offending a large segment of its customer base. It has changed its focus from Macintosh laptops and desktops to being a luxury mobile device manufacturer, primarily iOS oriented. That this Apple focused forum still calls itself "Macrumors" has become anachronistic. "Applerumors" or "iPhoneTrends" would be more apropos. In reading through posts on this forum it is clear that a substantial number of Apple's current iOS-centric customers would prefer Macs to go away, being disdainful of the general computer line as a whole as being "old fashioned" and out of sync with the times. I mean, good grief, Macs still incorporate old timey headphone jacks.

I still maintain that a company that treats its employees well will generally have no problem with "loyalty" issues. A trend, since the turn of the century, has been suppression of wages and benefits for workers, resulting in frequent employee turnover, and yes, not so much company loyalty. You get what you pay for in this regard.
 
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