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MacRumors should remove the file name. No need to encourage pirating. The story could be covered without creating the red sign that all but says, use this file name to download the file and see for yourself.

It's beyond trivial to find it, even without the filename. The filename just shows details of the file - size, codec etc. Took me 8 seconds to locate it, but I don't want it. Not a fan of Superhero movies.
 
I don’t know if this has been mentioned, but I watch bought iTunes movies on my “Movies Anywhere” app directly on my TCL television and they’re 4K if they were bought as 4K on iTunes. Is it possible it was hacked and saved that way?
 
It’s 100% about money...and ideology. Major pirates and torrent hosting sites make millions, more than the independent film companies whose work they host without permission. Most of these guys are organized and highly skilled, well paid members of ‘crews’, some with extreme political views, and others who reinvest the money they earn into more hacking, action groups and extremism.

Box office made over $11 billion last year, which was a record high. How much of that pie went to the independent film companies?

Copyright infringers aren't the ones majorly screwing over the independent film companies.
 
The app for removing DRM from iTunes files has been available on tor sites for many years. Maybe they finally cracked the new version of DRM and updated the app. The app works on Mac too.
 
The app for removing DRM from iTunes files has been available on tor sites for many years. Maybe they finally cracked the new version of DRM and updated the app. Works on Mac too.

Those apps only work on downloaded files. The (annoying) thing with iTunes 4k movies is you can't download them, only stream them. Stripping DRM is trivial, but getting access to the actual file is not. The reason this leak is big is it could mean someone has access to actually download the 4k files.
 
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Meanwhile human eyes STILL cannot determine the difference between 4K and 1080P on a 12" sceen when you sitting 2 feet away. Go ahead try and prove optics and physics wrong!​
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Did you ever think maybe the reason why it is "meh" is because the studios know CRIMINALS like you will steal it no matter what they put out?!
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So? Just because you don't feel like paying for it, it is STILL illegal! The same way it would be illegal for me to come to your house and take everything YOU worked to earn money to pay for!
Everyone wants everything for free until it’s their own product being given away.

People make a living off movies. Actors, directors, production crew. But apparently some on here think because it’s a movie, somehow that doesn’t deserve to be paid for.
 
Everyone wants everything for free until it’s their own product being given away.

People make a living off movies. Actors, directors, production crew. But apparently some on here think because it’s a movie, somehow that doesn’t deserve to be paid for.

You know how much would I care for people making copies of my own apps?


Zero. That's right. 0

Fighting against the windmills is the fight one can never win.


As a kid, I did a lot of piracy, all until my 20s, when I got the job, so that I could pay for content. Every single game that I played, every single movie that I watched, every song that I listened to was “illegal”.


And I do not regret it a single bit. I never stole anything.
 
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You know how much would I care for people making copies of my own apps?


Zero. That's right. 0

Fighting against the windmills is the fight one can never win.


As a kid, I did a lot of piracy, all until my 20s, when I got the job, so that I could pay for content. Every single game that I played, every single movie that I watched, every song that I listened to was “illegal”.


And I do not regret it a single bit. I never stole anything.
Yeah, well maybe not everyone is into having a “regular job” and wants to make a living for themselves instead of collecting a paycheck.
 
its just screen-recorded/hdmi captured. not a new trick, works with any amount of DRM they throw at it, but is significantly worse quality.
 
Yeah, well maybe not everyone is into having a “regular job” and wants to make a living for themselves instead of collecting a paycheck.

Who’s that “someone” in this case? Warner Bros???


People who want to pay for software or media will do it if they can. People who cannot will look for way to pirate. End of story.



Content creators are not doing much to make content more available to the masses. Just saying “don’t pirate” is not gonna help anything, you have to look at bigger picture to realize why people pirate.


If they put more effort into that, basically the only people left pirating would be people in third world countries.
 
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Those apps only work on downloaded files. The (annoying) thing with iTunes 4k movies is you can't download them, only stream them. Stripping DRM is trivial, but getting access to the actual file is not. The reason this leak is big is it could mean someone has access to actually download the 4k files.
Isn’t it the same as with Netflix?
 
You know how much would I care for people making copies of my own apps?


Zero. That's right. 0

Fighting against the windmills is the fight one can never win.


As a kid, I did a lot of piracy, all until my 20s, when I got the job, so that I could pay for content. Every single game that I played, every single movie that I watched, every song that I listened to was “illegal”.


And I do not regret it a single bit. I never stole anything.

Well you did. It’s exactly the same as walking into a store and stealing a blueray or xbox game... I’ve done it before but while pirates do impact sales a lot it’s been shown that Many people thy pirate would often never buy the thing in the first place. Also leads to a lot more word of mouth. Also lead to viruses and malware (also fell foul - karma)

I’d never pirate apps now and I buy $4K 3D apps and composting software. I’ve seen people lose their companies and house for using pirated pro software for paid projects.

As for this... surely you can screen record anything rather than crack the original with a 4K video capture card?
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its just screen-recorded/hdmi captured. not a new trick, works with any amount of DRM they throw at it, but is significantly worse quality.

Disagree with that. Why worse quality? It’s digital no reason you couldn’t capture it perfectly with the right hardware. And re-encode.

I’ve captured non drm hdr 4K stuff all the time for work stuff. Just need pro kit.
 
Well you did. It’s exactly the same as walking into a store and stealing a blueray or xbox game... I’ve done it before but while pirates do impact sales a lot it’s been shown that Many people thy pirate would often never buy the thing in the first place. Also leads to a lot more word of mouth. Also lead to viruses and malware (also fell foul - karma)

I’d never pirate apps now and I buy $4K 3D apps and composting software. I’ve seen people lose their companies and house for using pirated pro software for paid projects.

As for this... surely you can screen record anything rather than crack the original with a 4K video capture card?


No, just no...whatever stupid rationalization you make, copyright infringement is not stealing. I made an illegal act, but I never stole anything.


If I went to the car dealership, entered the vehicle without permission and drove it away, that would be a theft. If I just made a copy of the car and drove it away, while leaving the original car right where it is, there would be no theft.


Software works different than physical things.
 
It’s exactly the same as walking into a store and stealing a blueray or xbox game...

No it isn't. A bluray or game is a physical product. The store paid for it and has a limited number of them. If you steal it, the store has one less that they can sell, and they're out the money they paid for it.

Copying a file is not exactly the same thing at all. Once you have the original, each additional copy doesn't cost anything and you're not depriving any sale. It's not like Apple pays stocks digital copies on a shelf taking up space, they're unlimited and infinite.

Stealing is like sneaking into an indoor movie theater and taking a seat. You're depriving a paying customer from sitting in that seat. Pirating is like peering over the fence of an outdoor concert. You're not depriving anyone of anything.

Both are illegal. Both are morally wrong. But both are not the same.
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I’ve seen people lose their companies and house for using pirated pro software for paid projects.

Well, yea. There is a huge difference between pirating a file for personal entertainment and using pirated software for business profit. The latter is actually criminal.
 
Box office made over $11 billion last year, which was a record high. How much of that pie went to the independent film companies?

Copyright infringers aren't the ones majorly screwing over the independent film companies.

Could not agree more. apple and others had a chance to lower the cost of songs and films when they went digital and overheads were slashed, they didn’t and kept prices the same, without the artists making anymore, so basically more profit for the middle man, it’s a disgrace, I don’t know anyone who uses Cydia or any other way of getting ‘pirate apps’ onto an iOS device. the apps are generally affordable so people don’t want the hassle, music and films need to go the same way and less people would pirate meaning sales would increase. Make the profit for artists a higher percentage and everyone is happy, the big companies are making scandalous profits and peddling the “poor artist” line, it isn’t pirates “stealing” from artists it’s companies.
 
No, just no...whatever stupid rationalization you make, copyright infringement is not stealing. I made an illegal act, but I never stole anything.

Wouldn't it better to just say that you made a mistake by pirating in the past..instead of trying to make a legal distinction between the two? They are both morally wrong. But then again, you might not think that is the case.
 
Wouldn't it better to just say that you made a mistake by pirating in the past..instead of trying to make a legal distinction between the two? They are both morally wrong. But then again, you might not think that is the case.

No, as no one of the content creators ceased to exist because of me or anyone else used their content for personal use.


Let’s make a small list:

Musicians that were actual back then: Still unharmed, dead at worst (not caused by us “filthy pirates”)

Game developers: wealthier than ever


Software developers: Microsoft still makes Office and earns very well. So do other who I “hurt so bad” by downloading their software.


Movie studios and publishers: take a guess???




For me personally, it is case closed. You can view how you want, you are free to have your own opinion.
 
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I completely disagree with pirating movies, music, software etc, but I also think it's stupid that one can't download a 4K title you're paid for, or that you have to use proprietary hardware to play it at all, and while those limitations exist it provides a convenient excuse for pirates to justify their behaviour, whatever their real motivations are.

I prefer physical media anyway so it's not like I am particularly affected either way.

I completely agree with pirating because it hasn't affected any of those industries you've mentioned one god damn bit. Movies studios, Record companies & Software corporations have raked in the billion$ all the while. Nobody in the entertainment industry is poor, in fact they can't shut up about how rich they are.
 
No it isn't. A bluray or game is a physical product. The store paid for it and has a limited number of them. If you steal it, the store has one less that they can sell, and they're out the money they paid for it.

Copying a file is not exactly the same thing at all. Once you have the original, each additional copy doesn't cost anything and you're not depriving any sale. It's not like Apple pays stocks digital copies on a shelf taking up space, they're unlimited and infinite.

Stealing is like sneaking into an indoor movie theater and taking a seat. You're depriving a paying customer from sitting in that seat. Pirating is like peering over the fence of an outdoor concert. You're not depriving anyone of anything.

Both are illegal. Both are morally wrong. But both are not the same.
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Well, yea. There is a huge difference between pirating a file for personal entertainment and using pirated software for business profit. The latter is actually criminal.

There is no legal gray area here. Just because you want something to be a certain way doesn't mean you get to define it that way.

- Stealing anything physical denies the merchant (Best Buy for example) the cost to recover the initial purchase in addition to any markup they added for profit. It does not hurt the vendor (Warner Brothers for example) since the license and the physical media were already purchased by the merchant... but you still stole something.

- Downloading a file for free denies the profit for everyone involved and is in fact illegal and immoral. You, the thief, are benefiting 100% and the creator / owner / merchant is benefiting 0% by being denied 100% of their profit... and you still stole something.

- Lastly, you don't actually own a movie even on DVD or BluRay. You only own the license to watch it from the media linked to the license. Anyone who makes backups or copies for their personal use have to circumvent encryption. That is defined as illegal by DMCA. Maybe you didn't steal it, but you broke the law.
 
“Leaked” AquaMan, geddit?

Not the best film to bother with either way.

“I was glued to my seat throughout. If not, I'd've left the theatre after 10 minutes watching”
 
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