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Quit being ridiculous. I’m not going to go to another floor to start Skype and call 911. I always have my phone with me. If I need to administer CPR on the phone, I can’t do that with Skype.

So you were incorrect and learned something.
Another floor? LMAO!!!
It is nice to have the option depending on where I am using my pc (laptop).
 
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Think the point is, if one doesn't like the way Apple manages it's ecosystem, there are literally dozens of alternatives.
The United States has fallen behind the rest of the developed world in almost every single measurable element of human developement. "Leave if you don't like it"... the most lazy response imaginable.

Countries around the world are done dealing with Apple's anti-consumer, anti-competitive BS, and an article like this is lovely to see.
 
Or buying a Chevy and asking for a full powertrain warranty after a Ford engine swap.

Apple: We can allow side loading and self repair at unauthorized repair locations, but it will retroactively void your warranty, and if you are "leasing" a device on a plan, you are immediately required to pay the balance in full.
"THE APPLE SOFTWARE AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED “AS IS” AND “AS AVAILABLE”, WITH ALL FAULTS AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND" - quote from the iOS license agreement.

There is already no warranty. Third party apps aren't going to change that.

Seems like government officials time and resources would be better spent on controlling government spending and providing public services.
This is a public service. The general public are paying tens of billions per year in App Store commission fees to Apple - an outrageous amount of money that doesn't even remotely come close to being a fair market price. It just doesn't cost that much to provide downloads.

By writing legislation that will force fair market competition, this will save the general public billions of dollars. Not only because cheaper apps will be available outside the App Store, but also because Apple will surely respond by lowering their commission to a more reasonable amount.
 
Because you don’t know what you’re talking about and have no experience calculating negative outcomes of bad decisions and bad ideas.

Exactly. Taking app interoperability - whose encryption standard must be used? Apples? Every 3rd party app? Who gets access to keys and securing messages?

If they are forced to allow sideloading, build in, by default blocking it, the requirement to explicitly allow side loading and select what access to data and information stored will be allowed; much the same as location tracking now. That would be real user choice.
 
Basically they are saying the phone is a computer and you should be able to do what you like with it like any pc. If you like you can only use the ‘walled garden’ App Store only but you have a choice. Seems fine to me.
 
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So you were incorrect and learned something.
Another floor? LMAO!!!
It is nice to have the option depending on where I am using my pc (laptop).
What are you talking about? I don’t have a computer on every floor in my house. So if someone falls or collapses nowhere near my computer, I can’t use it! What’s with the attitude on these forums lately. Yes my 50 pound desktop is on one floor in a three story house.

And to say a computer is equivalent to a cell phone because Skype can call 911 is just ridiculous.

Also if you actually read what I said is that an iPhone needs to be a phone “at all times”. I don’t take my 50 pound desktop with me in the car in case I get in a wreck and need to call 911.
 
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I doubt it. Unfortunately politicians tend to come from legal or finance backgrounds. There are very few politicians with backgrounds in medicine, tech, or science.
That's why they consult with experts in those fields. Unless you actually expect someone to have deep knowledge of literally everything everywhere. Because if such a person actually existed, they'd certainly not be in politics.

Yours is the same bizarre attitude that complains when judges presiding over IP cases aren't themselves engineers, software developers, or music producers.
 
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This thread is stuffed with some of the worst analogies I've ever seen - lol

"Wait until Ferrari is forced to use Ford parts!", and the like..
:D
 
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Is it too late to have them include a provision that Apple is required to make a 27 inch (or bigger) iMac?
Lol yes let’s put a gun to Apple’s head and force them to make what we want ? (essentially what these people are trying to do).

This is like humans looking at animal populations and deciding which ones should have how many. Nature for the most part needs to be left alone to work itself out. This is way too disruptive. This is not for anyone to decide but the free market.
Or go full on government-controlled market. I’d be curious to see how that works out.
 
Legit question, what current apps do people want on their phone that are not available on the App Store?

I’ll stay within the walled garden - the ramifications of this may backfire on the EU. Apple can bring in some of its own stricter regulations if this legislation goes through.
 
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This is a public service. The general public are paying tens of billions per year in App Store commission fees to Apple - an outrageous amount of money that doesn't even remotely come close to being a fair market price. It just doesn't cost that much to provide downloads.

By writing legislation that will force fair market competition, this will save the general public billions of dollars. Not only because cheaper apps will be available outside the App Store, but also because Apple will surely respond by lowering their commission to a more reasonable amount.

More likely developers will just pocket the difference as additional profit since people have already shown a willingness to pay. The consumer will see no benefit, this just shifts who gets the money. My guess is Apple will simply add or raise other fees to make up for any loss, hurting small developers most.
 
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As developers, what we really need is access to a full set of APIs - not a dumbed down toy API that can only be used to create a few basic apps. It's okay if it requires a special permission or something else, but to create great apps we need the ability to use the same APIs Apple uses for their apps.

The Mac used to have this full API access and that was the renaissance of Mac apps - now we just get a bunch of TODO and Notes apps. Maybe a calculator or two.
 
Are Macs a wasteland of destruction because you can install apps outside the app store? Did I miss something?

Are Macs used by every grandma and barely-literate computer user around? Do they have all kinds of websites with touch target ready to redirect them from an errant brush? Does the average user load *nearly* as much personal data on to their Mac as they do their iPhone? No?

Huh, it's almost like you have no argument whatsoever.
 
Are Macs used by every grandma and barely-literate computer user around?
Those are certainly the majority of Mac users, yes.

Do they have all kinds of websites with touch target ready to redirect them from an errant brush?
I guess not. Luckily, Apple has made the decision on behalf of its customers that touch-screen computers are not something people want.
Does the average user load *nearly* as much personal data on to their Mac as they do their iPhone? No?
How can someone ask a question, answer it themselves, and still get the answer wrong?
 
Legit question, what current apps do people want on their phone that are not available on the App Store?

We could go for days on this...

For starters, protestors in various countries would like to not be under the thumb of governments exerting power on Apple to remove Apps "they don't like"

There's also the whole sphere of Apps that don't exist (or are gimped) because Apple wouldn't allow them (for many reasons, but not the least of which are things that compete with their own business interest)

Apple has no business being necessarily in the middle of the developer and customer relationship.
 
If GDPR serves as an indication, this is going to turn into a horrible mess. I have no doubt the EU is well-intentioned, but that doesn’t make what they’re planning a good idea. The change to browser engine requirements is a good move, but everything else seems half-baked. Are they of the position that no company should have a competitive advantage with the products and services they offer?

GDPR is a mess for sure, but the benefits way way way overrides the annoying emails you have to put up with. GDPR means that companies can’t keep and hold all kind of unnecessary information about basically everyone they want. That was how it was pre-GDPR. Now they have to delete, and it's great for privacy.
 
We could go for days on this...

For starters, protestors in various countries would like to not be under the thumb of governments exerting power on Apple to remove Apps "they don't like"

There's also the whole sphere of Apps that don't exist (or are gimped) because Apple wouldn't allow them (for many reasons, but not the least of which are things that compete with their own business interest)

Apple has no business being necessarily in the middle of the developer and customer relationship.

ell-oh-ell.

If you think governments won't simply block the App Store and force people to use a government approved one, you're delusional.
 
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