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Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri
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Making a law to force sideloading, is not the same as being found anti-competitive.
But don’t sell it in the eu, because the eu would force sideloading.
521 posts so far an 80% of them are quoting SOMEONE ELSE’S COMMENT.
Can’t anyone stay on topic?
(Hint: the topic isn’t someone else’s comment)
Can’t anyone stay on topic?
(Hint: the topic isn’t someone else’s comment)
Isn’t commenting on other people‘s comments a bit contradictory? Lol
On-topic: “Sideload” sounds a whole heck of a lot better than “backdoor”
Except those being polled require understanding on the subject about which they’re being polled. If I were to ask an average group of people if they were willing to take a drink from a container of pure oxidane that I have with me, most of them might rightfully refuse without me first explaining that it’s just water.
Can't wait to hear you say the same thing when your country enacts similar laws
😭 “why can’t the government just make everyone want what I want” 😭 /s
Sideloading and third party stores is a very small aspect of Android. I much prefer iOS in all other regards, I made that clear a few times in the topic in various posts.
Similarly I love macOS which supports third party stores and sideloading
I’m guessing the EU has their own version of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act that would not allow for that.
Internet Explorer lost to Chrome because Microsoft stopped making it better. It stagnated for literally years. Chrome by contrast has received regular updates every month (sometimes every day) since it released.
If your example is that we should protect Apple from competition so their software can languish like IE did then I don't know what to say to that. You prefer worse products I guess?
You're right, it would be beneficial to other users. This isn't like peeing in a swimming pool, this is like extending the swimming pool with a deeper section and a diving board
No, but sometimes the same principles apply and you were struggling to understand how choice works so I picked a particularly simple analogy. Some products allow aftermarket choice, some do not. You can choose which approach you prefer when you go to the counter.
So that's fine. Go ask a bunch of consumers if they want to have a dozen additional app stores on their iphone that would allow them to download uncertified apps.
Nah, it wouldn’t be a target of this regulation. This regulation exists because Apple is insisting to the world that everyone thinks as you do despite clear indicators many don’t. They are creating an artificial niche rather than proving a real one exists for the iPhone as they currently control it. So yeah, if you are right you arguably would have to compete with an already existing product, the iPhone, but if the EU is right, there would still be a market for people like you, to whom you could design, build and market a phone. It wouldn’t be subject to this legislation as you would be filling a natural niche rather than using your market power to create and uphold an artificial one. The caveat is, the market would be smaller than the one Apple currently holds with the iPhone, so you’d be successful, but not as successful as Apple has inflated itself to be, at least as per the EU.
Hey, maybe Apple could even just do it, create an iPhone 14 P (for private) that has all the locked down features you adore! Oh wait, that would have required some forethought and long-run thinking that would have likely prevented this legislation from ever being debated in the first place! But alas, Captain Cook is at the helm…
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That is the most ignorant (and wildly inaccurate) thing I've read today. Bravo.
I was the person you asked, and I’ll repeat my response:
I guess I've always given Europe the benefit of the doubt and seen their past approaches to regulation as being more high minded and rational than the US or other countries. But you could be right-- maybe there isn't a good reason for this, maybe it's just stupid.
There are two competing business models. This kills one. There will be no competing business models. The math is quite simple.
You're right, it would be beneficial to other users. This isn't like peeing in a swimming pool, this is like extending the swimming pool with a deeper section and a diving board
I still stand by my analogy over yours.
Nah, I’m not the one claiming to have taken a poll that contains anything but garbage data.
I think you'll find that most people on this site that are in favour of these changes, don't want Android at all. We simply want macOS with the iOS multitouch on our iPhones. We'd like all of macOS/iOS/iPadOS to be the same OS. They almost are already, all built on the *nix BSD based NeXT, and all sharing the same underlying code base. The only difference is iOS/iPadOS have had some parts turned off. We just want the same freedoms, filesystem, and access to the underlying *nix terminal of macOS, but on our phones too. So basically macOS with multitouch added. M1 macOS can already run iOS/iPadOS apps, it's all there, they just have to merge in the touch screen capabilities too, and then throw that onto iPhones and iPads.
Yeah, I know, you're worried about security. Have you not noticed that macOS has no more security issues than iOS? Why? Because giving it a filesystem doesn't compromise security because there are built in protections. And same for sideloading. And same for all the other claims Apple throws in. Which, if you actually think about it, is hilarious, because macOS is the perfect rebuttal to all these false claims. The irony is next level insane. It's all just about money and profits and the 15/30% Developer Apple Tax. That's why your phone is severely hamstrung, not because of security. If you used a Mac, you'd understand how ridiculous all this is.
Yes I see almost everyone who replies to me likes to use an analogy as they find it difficult to defend any negative outcomes of this proposed legislation so they have to come up with outlandish and incorrect comparisons.I still stand by my analogy over yours.
Thankfully the lawmakers haven't been swayed by similar arguments from paid lobbyists and are doing the right thing for consumers in this instance. These rules don't just apply to Apple either, it will improve Android, ChromeOS and Windows too.
How would me making a phone with the same features and closed off walled garden be treated any differently then Apple doing it?
No everyone doesn’t think like that or like me. I agree with that. You can’t make one product that’s going to meet everyone’s needs or wants. I think people should have a choice of what to buy instead of being forced to buy what the government thinks is best for them. This is why we have a choice of different products. What we don’t need is the government saying all of this product needs to be this way. Unless the product is going to kill people or seriously injure them then why not have that product available for the customers who want it. This is basically the concept of a free market where people vote with their money and buy the products they want versus some sort of Socialism where the government tells you what product you need to buy. Of course the EU isn’t exactly capitalist so I’m sure that’s where the disconnect is.
Perhaps in countries where the government thinks they know what’s best for their subjects Apple will just have to make adjustments versus in the USA where the free market is a thing we will still get a proper iPhone.
That the truth hurts your feelings does not make it any less true.
That is illegal and Apple would be sued into oblivion if they tried to do that.