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Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri

Michael Scrip said:
Yes... there are other brands of phones that use an entirely different and open platform. Android exists!

Sounds like there is competition already!

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Well, not enough yet, and these laws will interfere not only Apple but also Google. It will take care of the future with or without Apple and Google. I don’t give a 💩 for both or any company, and I’m totally neutral regarding this. In my opinion, even any kind of startups(hardware/software) must be able to compete with the big ones. 😜
 
jakey rolling said:
Apple and Google can easily just decide to exit that market.
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It would be crazy to exit.

Apple will just come up with another corporate structure to follow the rules in these countries, made up by some highly paid lawyer that is smarter the the EU committee, while appropriating profits at nearly the same level. This will have negative unforeseen regulatory consequences and all sorts of other companies will copy it over time.
 
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Xdibo said:
The only thing I know is that Apple is increasingly more expensive in the EU and this kind of ridiculous exaggeration isn't going to make the pricing-picture look better.
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Exactly...
I'm always so envious when I see US prices 20% lower than the EU...
The mac studio is an expensive computer in the US.
It's an OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive computer in the EU; I know, I bought one...
 
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Analog Kid said:
Exactly. Apple has little to lose here. The free market is the only loser.
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Only if you believe that being allowed to install software from wherever you'd like is a losing proposition. Loosening Apple's iron grip on half of the mobile app market would seem to be a boon to the free market to me, but that's just one guy's opinion.
 
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JippaLippa said:
Exactly...
I'm always so envious when I see US prices 20% lower than the EU...
The mac studio is an expensive computer in the US.
It's an OUTRAGEOUSLY expensive computer in the EU; I know, I bought one...
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You must realize that US prices are usually written down without tax and EU prices with tax.
 
JippaLippa said:
Exactly. I think people who buy the iPhone is because of the way iPhone works. If you're a tinkerer, buy android (no negative comments on it), be my guest. Android 12 is pretty decent.

That said, I like my macOS, iOS and ipadOS locked the way they are.
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But to be fair... Apple's mobile platforms have access to millions of apps and games.

It's not like the lack of sideloading makes it a barren and empty platform and locked out of software.

Sure you can't install emulators or whatever from the App Store... but it's still pretty great.

I've been using iPhones since the iPhone 4S and I love it!

:)
 
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vipergts2207 said:
Only if you believe that being allowed to install software from wherever you'd like is a losing proposition. Loosening Apple's iron grip on half of the mobile app market would seem to be a boon to the free market to me, but that's just one guy's opinion.
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Yep, and one guy does not a market make. A market is a place where one guy can buy one thing and another guy can buy a another thing. As another guy, I like iOS how it is so I’m happy to live in a free market.
 
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Quu said:
That's like saying I should use Windows instead of macOS when we all know full well we love that we can install third party software on our Macs because we prefer that operating system.

I prefer iOS from a UI and usability perspective and I prefer the iPhone from a hardware perspective. To me the locked down walled-garden that Apple has created is just one side of what the iPhone is and it's the only side I'm losing interest in having.


I'm a successful business owner that deals exclusively in the creation and sale of software so actually in this regard I do know what I'm talking about, I probably know more about the underpinnings of iOS than most who will comment in this thread having worked on some of the apps you probably have used over the past 15 years.

I would like platform neutrality to the degree that macOS affords users. You are free to disagree and you are also free to stay within Apples walled garden and never install a third party app store or sideload an app, your phone your choice.
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Get out of your ass. You are the 1%. You are less than the 1%. I'm a great driver on cocaine, it should be legal.

IOS is a pretty seamless experience at the moment, and I think the biggest threat is the breaking of the seams. The system will slow down because 7 apps have not updated properly. I'm not a successful business owner. I know nothing about the underpinnings. I'm the one grandma calls. I'm the one mom calls. I am the unpaid tech support of the world. Right now I don't like the sound of this.
 
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vipergts2207 said:
Only if you believe that being allowed to install software from wherever you'd like is a losing proposition. Loosening Apple's iron grip on half of the mobile app market would seem to be a boon to the free market to me, but that's just one guy's opinion.
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I believe this type of intervention is an innovation stifler. So yes, it’s a losing proposition for customers, developers and apple. That’s one guys opinion.
 
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djcerla said:
If I want Android, then I buy Android.

Leave the iPhone alone.
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Not surprised by these new changes. Although they will need to voted in. I presume the U.K. won't be affected, but then again we still have the endless annoying boxes asking about cookies on every website! And legally we don't need that anymore.
 
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KurtMann said:
Get out of your ass. You are the 1%. You are less than the 1%. I'm a great driver on cocaine, it should be legal.

IOS is a pretty seamless experience at the moment, and I think the biggest threat is the breaking of the seams. The system will slow down because 7 apps have not updated properly. I'm not a successful business owner. I know nothing about the underpinnings. I'm the one grandma calls. I'm the one mom calls. I am the unpaid tech support of the world. Right now I don't like the sound of this.
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You don't think Grandma can't keep using her iPhone as-is never stepping outside of Apples tightly controlled ecosystem?

Don't tell me I can't have a steak because Grandma can't chew one.
 
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KurtMann said:
Get out of your ass. You are the 1%. You are less than the 1%. I'm a great driver on cocaine, it should be legal.

IOS is a pretty seamless experience at the moment, and I think the biggest threat is the breaking of the seams. The system will slow down because 7 apps have not updated properly. I'm not a successful business owner. I know nothing about the underpinnings. I'm the one grandma calls. I'm the one mom calls. I am the unpaid tech support of the world. Right now I don't like the sound of this.
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The real question is wether the new ecosystem will be opt-in or opt-out
 
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pacalis said:
If I took a poll of 10 of my closest relatives who have iphones, I'd be the only one who knew what sideloading is and how to do it if enacted, and I'm against it.
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If you explained to your relatives what sideloading is before polling them, instead of just asking them a question using a term that only technogeeks like us really understand, the results of that poll would undoubtedly change.
 
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vipergts2207 said:
Good on the EU for protecting competition.
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The EU is a protectionist trade block. It exists timo favour EU companies over foreign competition. This possible legislation is designed to weaken Apple and allow a future EU company to piggy back in Steve Jobs/Apple's success
 
pacalis said:
Apple will just come up with another corporate structure to follow the rules in these countries, made up by some highly paid lawyer that is smarter the the EU committee, while appropriating profits at nearly the same level. This will have negative unforeseen regulatory consequences and all sorts of other companies will copy it over time.
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It's interesting that you aren't aware that Apple (and every other international company in the world, for that matter) hasn't already done this to navigate all the other regulatory differences that exist in the EU.

This is quite literally why those highly paid lawyers exist.
 
jakey rolling said:
It's interesting that you aren't aware that Apple (and every other international company in the world, for that matter) hasn't already done this to navigate all the other regulatory differences that exist in the EU.

This is quite literally why those highly paid lawyers exist.
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Ask the Irish ;)
 
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You vil eat ze bugs
You vil get ze experimental toxic biannual injections
You vil sideload ze apps, own nothing, and be happy! :)
 
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