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I know, right?! Klaus is a monster!
The dog whistle is deafening. The Klaus memes are fascinating in their falseness.

But the WEF papers are very interesting as it pertains to the deflation of value of human labor. Harness silicon or become a second rate citizen, no conspiracy theory here, pure economics.

Got to love "conservatives" schizoids, defending multinationals whilst recoiling at a globalist narrative.
 
Sounds more like the EU is eliminating competition

Allowing consumers more flexibility and control over their own devices isn’t “eliminating competition”

It’s the complete opposite

We’ve seen how well Apple “competes” on macOS with their gimped crap store of junk..

It’s why they are holding on for dear life to their iOS App distribution monopoly.
Precisely because they don’t want to have to compete on the merits vs individual developers or alternative app stores.
 
The dog whistle is deafening. The Klaus memes are fascinating in their falseness.

But the WEF papers are very interesting as it pertains to the deflation of value of human labor. Harness silicon or become a second rate citizen, no conspiracy theory here, pure economics.

Got to love "conservatives" schizoids, defending multinationals whilst recoiling at a globalist narrative.
Are you really defending Klaus Schwab and trying to paint the EU as anything but the epitome of globalist autocracy? Hilarious.
 
Not surprised by these new changes. Although they will need to voted in. I presume the U.K. won't be affected, but then again we still have the endless annoying boxes asking about cookies on every website! And legally we don't need that anymore.
Voting will not be a problem at all.
The last voting was like:

The text approved by Parliament with 642 votes in favour, 8 against and 46 abstentions sets new obligations and prohibitions directly applicable to such platforms, with a view to ensuring fair and open markets.

It’s coming! ?
 
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Are you really defending Klaus Schwab and trying to paint the EU as anything but the epitome of globalist autocracy? Hilarious.
I have no stake in defending the EU, simply recognising it's utility as a tool to cultivate the relevance of individual European nations by the existence of a trading block and a single market.

Never outed myself as an anti-globalist. I would simply like to see Ethical growth.
 
You don't think Grandma can't keep using her iPhone as-is never stepping outside of Apples tightly controlled ecosystem?

Don't tell me I can't have a steak because Grandma can't chew one.
I see it more as requesting for a smoking section in a restaurant or a peeing section in a swimming pool, and claiming that doing so within those boundaries will have zero impact on the other users in the area. It simply doesn't work that way.
 
You don't think Grandma can't keep using her iPhone as-is never stepping outside of Apples tightly controlled ecosystem?

Don't tell me I can't have a steak because Grandma can't chew one.
Well it didn't sound like it? It sounded a bit like the breaking of Windows many moons ago? Internet explorer never recovered from that!

It sounds to me like you want to use your computer to call from? Isn't there a Linux phone that is exactly that? They have always stated clearly: THIS IS the iPhone, it is THIS rectangle, nothing will exist outside these lines. A lot of people buy the Iphone and love the iphone. A few: "But we also want this." Dude?

Has Apple created the absolut perfect device? No, it doesn't have a headphone jack, so clearly not. Maybe they are too big, but I don't like it. They have earned their dominance in a different way than Microsoft did. iPhone is expensive as hell, it is a locked garden. You pay a hefty toll to get in and when you are there it's not your own rules. Apple are Soup Nazis. And that is beautiful.
 
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The EU is a protectionist trade block. It exists timo favour EU companies over foreign competition. This possible legislation is designed to weaken Apple and allow a future EU company to piggy back in Steve Jobs/Apple's success
I'll ask you the same question I asked someone else. What will be your made-up reason for the legislation that's being written in the U.S.? And other countries?

Sounds more like the EU is eliminating competition and without competition innovation tends to stagnate.
How does this eliminate competition?
 
They need to ban the Apple bluetooth spy mesh network and ensure that ultra wide band isn't turned into a spy network either. They need to force all companies to include the ability, in software, to turn off any particular SOC on any motherboard. Phones and computers need to be have zero emissions if the user desires that.
 
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It's interesting that you aren't aware that Apple (and every other international company in the world, for that matter) hasn't already done this to navigate all the other regulatory differences that exist in the EU.

This is quite literally why those highly paid lawyers exist.

Of course I'm aware - that's why I predicted that's what would continue to happen. How could you interpret my post any other way?
 
They need to ban the Apple bluetooth spy mesh network and ensure that ultra wide band isn't turned into a spy network either. They need to force all companies to include the ability, in software, to turn off any particular SOC on any motherboard. Phones and computers need to be have zero emissions if the user desires that.
Nothing that your cell carrier could not achieve with a ping and three cell towers.
 
They need to ban the Apple bluetooth spy mesh network and ensure that ultra wide band isn't turned into a spy network either. They need to force all companies to include the ability, in software, to turn off any particular SOC on any motherboard. Phones and computers need to be have zero emissions if the user desires that.
No but the enforced availability of a circuit diagram like manufacturers used to include in the past would be a welcome addition to Right-To-Repair.
 
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Ask the Irish ;)

Exactly. And that worked for while.

And taxation is an area that governments have plenty of experience in.

Now, this is going to play out the same way to mitigate the EU's predictable disaster into the future of hardware and software architecture.
 
As time goes on my desire for sideloading and installing apps that Apple would never allow grows stronger so I have to say I support the EU lawmakers in this endeavour.
In that case, what in the iOS still holds you as a customer? Doesn’t clear mean that you like Android better and better?
 
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Comparing seat belts being required in cars so people aren't decapitated going through the windshield isn't the same as forcing sideloading on a phone...

It's not so much having the choice to sideload but being forced to choose it that is the problem. If I wanted that I could have bought that. It's already available. I want the choice to buy a product that doesn't feature sideloading...
I wasn’t comparing seatbelts to the DMA, I was responding to a commenter who used an inadequate metaphor.

Your premise also holds no water, your ability to choose not to side load isn’t hindered by giving other people the choice. If a company insists on side loading as the only option, you have the option to not purchase that company’s apps or any related products. You can just design and build your own version of their software that suits your needs (being sure to steer clear of their patents and other IP, of course ?) To insist that you don’t want to have to make that choice, that you want companies to have to cater to your desires, is to insist the market cater to you over other consumers. If enough people refuse to side load, that means the App Store provides value and companies will be compelled to use it; the customer will have decided not sideloading is best, and the market will adapt accordingly. Apple is using anti-competitive policy to prevent the App Store from ever having to face that test. The EU is now insisting it face the gauntlet the market is meant to be.

If you don’t like it, just design, build, and market your own phone; simple as pie! If enough people feel the same as you think they do, it means there is a niche in the market you can fill; with hard work and determination, you can be successful!
 
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In that case, what in the iOS still holds you as a customer? Doesn’t clear mean that you like Android better and better?
I am a proponent for Legal and assisted Euthanasia, no reason for me to jump off a bridge today still.

Having the possibility of a choice is different but not synonymous and mutually inclusive with the execution on said possibility.
 
If you explained to your relatives what sideloading is before polling them, instead of just asking them a question using a term that only technogeeks like us really understand, the results of that poll would undoubtedly change.

Ha - a classic "technogeek" response... Just explain it better to the consumer...

The only thing that "explaining" would do is make my relatives so irritated that they would refuse my fictitious poll.
 
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I’m wasn’t comparing seatbelts to the DMA, I was responding to a commenter who used an inadequate metaphor.

Your premise also holds no water, your ability to choose not to side load isn’t hindered by giving other people the choice. If a company insists on side loading as the only option, you have the option to not purchase that company’s apps or any related products. To insist that you don’t want to have to make that choice, that you want companies to have to cater to your desires, is to insist the market cater to you over other consumers. By the adage the customer is always right, if enough people refuse to side load, that means the App Store provides value and company’s will be compelled to use it; the customer will have decided not sideloading is best, and the market will adapt accordingly.

If you don’t like it, just design, build, and market your own phone; simple as pie!
People already have the choice to sideload. I want a product that doesn’t have that feature and it’s not just me it’s a lot of consumers and they also should have that choice. If you want a phone that has sideloading then buy a phone with that feature. Don’t force everyone else to have that feature

If you don’t like it design and build market your own phone? I’m guessing that’s a variation of the social media joke where if you don’t like Facebook or Twitter just build your own Facebook or Twitter till we shut it down. The product is already on the market and it wouldn’t make a difference if I could produce this product because it would still be a target of this regulation. So I guess the similarity is there but it’s not a funny joke 🙄
 
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The law is well intentioned but I think it goes too far.

Generally I think that its important to look at scale with this sort of thing, as a platform becomes crucial for business in the way iOS and Android have, the need for regulation grows, and it is definitely clear that the iPhone has grown to the point that it could be justified in forcing the platform to open up a bit.
I think they go too far here with things like the default app replacement and voice assistant replacement. These seem like vast overreach as they aren't just about apps on the phone but about the APIs that would enable apps to talk to each other that could require a vast redesign of iOS.
And the only reason they are critical for business is because business allowed it. People will vote with their money. People that buy Apple then insist they want side-loading are disingenuous. They voted with their money saying the apple product is the best option for their dollar, then turn around and "demand" an additional "feature"... well if it was that important you had other options. I want side loading on IOS. I think they should use USB-C and I wish the phone was thicker with a bigger battery instead of having a camera bump (I have large hands... thin is not my "thing") but I don't think any of these things are the place of a government to demand. It is all about control and when government feels out of control it lashes out. If business was that concerned about it. they would just require android devices but as far as I am concerned... for better or worse..... I feel far better about letting apple be the holder of my digital information than google.
 
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