Right? The childishness and kowtowing to grossly disproportionate authoritarian rule is astounding.
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Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri
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actualy the EU commision are experts in theri field apointed by the parlament. so we have actual people with a backround in the relevent industry designing the legislation for politicians to debate on.
a quasi tecnocratic system with politicians people still can elect as teh leader.
same way we elect our politicians who are the leaders, and they employee military experts to do their job instead of having an elected military commander of the local regiment
I just dont get it at all. Everything they want is already present and functioning. in Android. If these things are so important that people cant live without they will buy anything but iPhone.
They are asking to change the functionality of an iPhone to be exactly like an Android. Why the hassle? Just buy an Andoid instead, you will get all you asking for and whole other things that you didn't ask for it.
They are asking to change the functionality of an iPhone to be exactly like an Android. Why the hassle? Just buy an Andoid instead, you will get all you asking for and whole other things that you didn't ask for it.
Yes, especially the pharmaceutical ones when working under the guise of “public health,” you know, for the government.
Typical EU. Monumental overreach into a sector / space they barely understand, which is designed to look like they’re helping the consumer when in fact all they really want is to set impossible/unrealistic terms so they can issue a massive fine against an American company somewhere down the line.
Fun fact; fines that are levelled by the EU against private companies (like those paid by Microsoft and Google for supposed antritrust violations) go directly back into the EU budget, not to the parties who were 'harmed'.
Fun fact; fines that are levelled by the EU against private companies (like those paid by Microsoft and Google for supposed antritrust violations) go directly back into the EU budget, not to the parties who were 'harmed'.
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I would be ok with this - the only problem is that there would be a power shift from Apple to the third party company instead of the user. For example, imagine that Facebook would pull out of the AppStore and would only be available via direct download. Now you have a app that is forcing you to turn on that toggle if you want Facebook.
Should then there be a law that prevents this from happening? That if you used to have an app in the AppStore that you must keep providing that same app via the original store for the users that do not want the toggle on? Who has the power now?
What if Facebook changes name - Meta - and now says that it is a brand new app/company thus allowing to circumvent that law?
I do like your comment. But there is a difference between creating a standard and forcing that standard to be the only way to communicate. We already have communication standards - called text messaging, email.
Both iOS and Android allow you to use these between devices without a problem.
Instead of forcing one and only standard, why not come up with a new standard but not make it the only way?
It would be then up to the consumers to use that standard if good enough.
Like I had to instead WhatsApp to message other people. It was my choice to do so if I wanted to communicate to those people without. I could have text messaged or emailed them.
I do agree that having a lot of messaging apps is annoying and that new standards could exist for web instant messaging - but this should not be the only one. It could be mandatory for any mobile communications device to support them (not sure if text message is mandatory). It would then be up to the user to start using that or not.
iPhones are exactly the same as any computer. what's the difference between an iPad Pro running iOS and a MacBook Air running MacOS? outside of one allowing you to install any application you want, and the other doesn't?
oh i have **** tone of apps i would love to use. the best example tho is the Opter app is use for work, but because the app barely works on iOS it's become kind of deprecated and I'm forced to buy an android phone or use a ****** work phone to do my job instead of using my iPhone
well do you want apple or the developers to pocket the difference? I would rather developers takes it, then apple just putting it on a pile giving me no extra value in return. and if apple wants to increse the price of things, then they are free do do so, and we will see if iOS App Store ends up as abandoned as the Mac App Store eith barebone apps only available because the store is too Draconian
I have a thought. Why not just publish instructions for "jailbreaking" the iPhone SE? If you want security, buy a real iPhone. Then add an Apple App that would warn one if the communication is coming from such>
There are Apps that currently warn of fraudulent/spoofed sites, why not warnings from jailbroken or other dangerous iPhones?
There are Apps that currently warn of fraudulent/spoofed sites, why not warnings from jailbroken or other dangerous iPhones?
If you as an individual is losing interest in what Apple offers it’s client base, that’s ok. That is why companies offer alternative products. The App Store was not even in the initial plans, so it has been a gift to alL involved. They don’t have to continue to support it in its current form and if it becomes more of a liability than profit center it will be canceled and all APIs taken private. This is a slap in the face of the billions of us who choose Apple because of they walked garden. Who are you or anyone else to undermine the thousands of dollars We’ve spent to be in this garden. If some doesn’t like Target and how they do business, they don’t drive across town to Target to stand in the aisles and scream bloody murder at the top of their lungs because the prices are two high or they don’t care for this or that in their business Modrel. No, they just go to the Walmart up the street that will give them what they want.
I was always conflicted about all the new Apple users brought by the iPhone. I knew their purchases allowed for extensive investments, but alway felt there was a downside not yet realized.
You would be surprised
Meta warns it may shut down Facebook and Instagram in Europe
The drama continues for Mark Zuckerberg whose company last week reported it lost daily active users for the first time in its history.
www.euronews.com
and Eu even loves apples privacy iniciative. guess what Ru plans to do.
The EU Has a Plan to Fix Internet Privacy: Be More Like Apple
Lawmakers want all websites to use a similar “Ask App Not to Track” function, but Apple's system might not be as clear-cut as once believed.
That's the thing, these things covers android as well, especially the rule of uninstalling included apps.
Apple doesn't own the rights to my phone. and if you didn't know, a lot of android phones also don't allow side loading.
So buy an Android phone, no one is stopping you.
The EU is doing literally the opposite. Instead of competing smartphone platforms with different tradeoffs it’s trying to make a one size fits all approach. If the EU had its way, all cars would have to be the same. All computers the same. All everything. It’s massive, unnecessary government overreach. Literally everything that the EU wants to require Apple to do customers can get on their own TODAY by buying an Android phone. NOTHING is stopping you OR them from doing it. NOTHING.
Some of this makes sense. Some of it I'm not so sure about. Different virtual assistants? What a pain to implement and support that would be. Sideloading and forced USB-C - sign me up.
What does make me laugh is all the yanks getting upset about regulation
What does make me laugh is all the yanks getting upset about regulation
Something along these lines has been mentioned before in a kinda “all-in” scenario and which I like a lot: have that (permanent) toggle switch make it a “blank phone, install any OS that you will, choose any Bluetooth/GPU/WiFi drivers desired, choose to install any third party AppStore, browsers, media engines and players, etc”
If the narrative is “freedom of choice, I want to do with my phone whatever I want” then this is it, this is ultimate freedom. Sony on PS3 tried it making it able to boot Yellow Dog Linux, ironically the security hacks came from that but this isn’t what the train of thought cares about. That phone would be forever in free-land anyways out from reaching back default iOS state.
I don’t see any cons, apple and iOS can stay as they are, and the “I want my phone to do whatever I want” crowd can have what they ask.
Is it hard work? Yes, but hey, developers that create an AppStore there can choose to give 100% to all the apps sold there, no SDKs/Xcode/etc dev fees (as they wouldn’t be provided anyways), so on and so forth.
I don‘t get it that you don‘t get it …
If you want to present in a market you have to play by the rules of that market. It doesn‘t matter if there is already a competitor of your business who plays by the rules.
The „lock competition out, lock users in“ business model is against what the EU wants to see from its market participants. The EU also waited 10 years for the industry to find a common standard for charging, but Apple blocked. Now an Anti Apple law for USB-C is released. The EU knows how to play hard ball and even Tim, Phil and Scott will have to accept this. And Apple didn‘t want to play nice it wanted to play hardball, too. Tim thought that Apple is too big to fail or even loose in a fight and maybe he even thought the the EU is too corrupt, but you know - he failed.
Yeah, all the Apple fellows say „get out of the european market“, but they ignore that fact that Apple hasn‘t even left the South Korean market. And it won‘t cause this would cut Apple stock in half and turn a 3 trillion company into a (maybe if at all) 1 trillion dollar cimpany.
Apple should start changing before the DMA is even released.
No all they are doing is trying to dumb the App Store iOS and all the other crap that the EU has no idea what they are doing other than dumbing down iOS and iPhone down to android level. If side loading was some magical bean I’d say Apple would have implemented by now and or Apple’s iPhone and iOS would be dead in the water right now. See the EU is doing the very thing they claim they aren’t. Picking winners and losers. I’m not seeing no Samsung special features being dumbed down so Apple can implement them. It would be quite the one thing if Apple was a monopoly but it is in fact a trailer in world wide phone sales a trailer for
PC shipments the can’t compete with Microsoft of the office suites. I have quite a few friends that are a whole lot smarter than me on the Apple side of things. Some probably a little less knowledgeable than me, do you know the very one thing that we have never sparred over is side loading is oh we have to have usb c as a port. I wish and I know they can’t that Tim Cook would flip them the proverbial bird and could financially weather it and pull completely out of the eu but I know the reality is they can’t and they will capitulate to the euro trash the EU really is.
If you can check this post, time permitting that is, what would you think about applying something like Sony did for PS3 with Yellow Dog Linux? But even MORE freedom:
Post in thread 'Leaked EU Document Could Spell Major Changes for App Store, Messages, FaceTime, Browsers, and Siri'
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...etime-browsers-and-siri.2342608/post-31045603
Summary, flip a permanent switch, to truly install whatever you want: OS, drivers, stores, etc etc etc. For any single chip available on your hardware: WiFi/Bluetooth, camera/mics/speakers, GPU/CPUs/neural/etc. The only caveat is, well, someone has to do the work, but at least it won’t be “Apple doesn’t let me”.
Exactly. It is as simple as that. Every knows knew or were aware of Apples walled garden. Now everyone wants it dumbed down to the lowest common denominator known as Samsung and the android os if I wanted a crap phone and a crappier os then I would be in that crap that I perceive/believe to be a lower quality phone and definitely a crappier os.
I wish they would and could survive financially and give the eu the bird and close
up all the stores as that is enacted into law. That would cause the eu to have some interesting discussions with Apple and company.
I’ve just read the new DSA plan for social media and I thank the gods for EU to exist since US is doing nothing to stop this insanity dividing our society.
There should be no excuse to any media company to not properly police its own content, even if it comes from the users. If they don’t have the manpower to do it, then their business model is a failure. It’s simple. Every company in the world should be responsible for its actions and products, no matter its size.
www.theverge.com
There should be no excuse to any media company to not properly police its own content, even if it comes from the users. If they don’t have the manpower to do it, then their business model is a failure. It’s simple. Every company in the world should be responsible for its actions and products, no matter its size.
Google, Meta, and others will have to explain their algorithms under new EU legislation
The EU’s new legislation is designed to explain the web to users.
www.theverge.com
This I think is key. That I’m aware of, nobody has asked you, me or anybody else that I know of what consumers want.
From this distance, it looks to me that they just go blindly stirring the pot to try to extract some extra funds so they can continue stirring the pot.
And for people making it “yeah, apple deserves it!!”… this isn’t about Apple people, your future android fridge and laundry machines will also get hit by it. Nintendo for example is one of the most closed consumer electronics brand out there.