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Apple uses their own T2 chip as the SSD controller, and it’s integrally tied to Apple’s new file system.

An M.2 drive has its own integrated controller onboard, and cannot interface (and is therefore not compatible) with Apple’s T2. The T2 expects to see raw NAND chips, not an additional SSD controller behind a PCIe 3.0 interface.

Soldered chips are more reliable, and the T2 more secure, than M.2. Both benefit the customer.

There is nothing the M.2 form factor connector can't do that the Apple proprietary solution can and it's nonsense to accused about the reliability which is patently false.
 
It's taking Apple a very, very long time to fix a broken keyboard.

Apple have admitted that the butterfly keyboard is crap -- after three iterations of the butterfly keyboard -- they have finally replaced it with a brand new "magic" scissor keyboard -- but only for two models. Apple is not a small company -- it shouldn't take them this long to fix mistakes.

AND ANOTHER THING -- where is Face ID for Macs ???

Remember the good old days...


I'm with you on the butterfly keyboard, but I hope Face ID doesn't go into Macs. I'd be much happier with with a Touch ID-enabled Magic Keyboard.
 
That's why Apple needs to use M.2 form factor connector that does not need to solder.
Why are people still holding out hope for this like children waiting for unicorns to show up at their birthday party. Its been ages now since Apple closed the door on user upgradable storage for laptops
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That's the worst value proposition and overpriced product that set to fail.
I hate to speak for others but I’m fairly confident they were being sarcastic
 
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Why are people still holding out hope for this like children waiting for unicorns to show up at their birthday party. Its been ages now since Apple closed the door on user upgradable storage for laptops

The same can be said when Apple provided user-replaceable with upgradable storage on MBP before it uses proprietary connector to soldered that is not repairable for the customer and third-party vendor unable to help.
 
The same can be said when Apple provided user-replaceable with upgradable storage on MBP before it uses proprietary connector to soldered that is not repairable for the customer and third-party vendor unable to help.
Have you met Apple? Apple does not want user replaceable or upgradable. Those days are over. And not recently either. Those days have been gone for a while. I don’t want to bother Googling it because it won’t help convince you, but I’m fairly certain it has been a decade since the last one. I had Macbook (not air not pro) in 2009 that was upgradeable. That was my last one. You might as well be wishing for the return of standard definition tv. If you want an upgradeable laptop Apple will not accommodate you
 
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Have you met Apple? Apple does not want user replaceable or upgradable. Those days are over. And not recently either. Those days have been gone for a while. I don’t want to bother Googling it because it won’t help convince you, but I’m fairly certain it has been a decade since the last one. I had Macbook (not air not pro) in 2009 that was upgradeable. That was my last one. You might ad well be wishing for the return on standard definition tv. If you want an upgradeable laptop Apple will not accommodate you

Never say never and things don't stay the same forever dude.
 
14 inch is too small. Apple should just ditch 14 inch and make 16 inch the standard for everyone. Just slap a 14" cpu into a 16" unibody to decrease the price.
Speak for yourself. I have the 15" MBP (2016) and am patiently waiting (ok, impatiently waiting) for the 13" refresh to get away from this damn keyboard and a smaller footprint. I like the size of the 13" better after having the 15" for so long. I think offering two sizes is the reasonable approach.
 
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AMD’s Ryzen 4000 Mobile CPUs already go up to 8 cores and 16 threads at 35W.

Personally, Apple’s continued use of Intel CPUs which underperform AMD’s current offerings is the biggest indicator they plan to shift to ARM. Otherwise why not use AMD’s 4800HS 35W APU?
Either that or Intel has given them some advanced look at what is coming down their pipeline. But at this point they've fallen so far behind, and these chips in general are so inefficient compared to ARM. But I would love to have that 8 core AMD chip in a new 14" MBP with 32GB of RAM. Would be the perfect machine for running a bunch of VMs on the go, or even just upstairs where I can get some more natural light, lol.
 
It could have 32GB, however the 16 inch could also use 128GB but it doesn’t yet. I think it will support 32GB though. It’s going to use Icelake which is 4 cores (unless Intel has made one specifically for Apple), however it’s a different part to the Air’s and will have better cooling. The thing with Apple making the 14 inch have six cores (if it was possible) is that it’s then approaching on the MacBook Pro 16 inch and that’s not what they want. I think if Apple was to put six cores on the 14 inch, there would need to be a 10 core option for the 16 inch (with it starting at 8 cores).

What is wrong with a 6 core 14'MBP? The 16 inch already has 8 cores. The Dell XPS 13 has 6. Other competing products have 6 also. It makes zero sense for a Air to have four and a MBP to have 4 also.
 
There is nothing the M.2 form factor connector can't do that the Apple proprietary solution can and it's nonsense to accused about the reliability which is patently false.
1) Wrong. Soldered parts are more reliable. Maybe you are too young to remember when problems could be fixed by reseating (removing then replacing) parts in their connectors.

2) Additionally, soldered parts have a lower profile than the connector plus the part. M.2 is much higher (thicker) than soldering NAND chips to the logic board.

3) No one ever says RAM or SSD in cellphones should be upgradeable; why do you think that is?

4) Apple takes into account their entire user base when they make decisions. No matter how much you want something, it’s not all about you. You can’t always get what you want 🤷‍♂️
 
Speak for yourself. I have the 15" MBP (2016) and am patiently waiting (ok, impatiently waiting) for the 13" refresh to get away from this damn keyboard and a smaller footprint. I like the size of the 13" better after having the 15" for so long. I think offering two sizes is the reasonable approach.

The current butterfly keyboard is amazing. I love the key stability and precision key strikes, regardless of where on the key I strike. Even when I strike the edges of the keys, the keys dont wobble at all. It truly was a revolutionary invention of Jony Ive. Sad to see it go
 
The current butterfly keyboard is amazing. I love the key stability and precision key strikes, regardless of where on the key I strike. Even when I strike the edges of the keys, the keys dont wobble at all. It truly was a revolutionary invention of Jony Ive. Sad to see it go
Ive didn’t invent the butterfly keyboard
 
The current butterfly keyboard is amazing. I love the key stability and precision key strikes, regardless of where on the key I strike. Even when I strike the edges of the keys, the keys dont wobble at all. It truly was a revolutionary invention of Jony Ive. Sad to see it go
Trying it out in store I prefer the butterfly keys but whenever I’ve used it for an extended period of time the lack of travel does become frustrating so the magic keyboard should be a decent improvement
 
For you maybe, but not for the majority.


I agree, why get. 13" laptop when you can get a 12.9" iPad Pro. Morons who have no need for a laptop buy one anyway, let alone Apple laptops require 50 adapters to do anything. I like Apple, but cmon, if you just want to be on social media, email, the internet and games, then get an iPad. For real work, get a MacBook Pro. The MacBook Air should be an education discounted product only
 
Apple should just drop the 13 inch MacBook Pro and force you to buy an iPad Pro. We all know that is the future.

Cough

I have both, and I'd prefer both thanks; the iPad Pro works well for different things, and now with sidecar it makes a great second screen.
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Releasing another 13" before the inevitable 14" would be the dumbest thing they could possibly do. Who, except for people who absolutely HAVE to buy a new laptop, would buy that thing?

Because they are two entirely different products with different performance and price?


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having had the new air for a couple of days now, what I'd like to see in future Macs (maybe starting with one of the Pros) is:

  • touchID built into the trackpad
  • the Touch Bar built into/relocated to the trackpad with a button or gesture to toggle it
i.e., make the trackpad like an iPhone display and build in a touch sensor. Reaching to the power button for touchID sucks. your fingers are often already on the trackpad, put touchID in that!
 
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One of three reasons I'd guess
1. Really good discount pricing on Intel parts by staying exclusive
2. Going to switch to Apple custom chips anyway so why add another switch
3. Volume. IIRC, Apple tried a AMD Llano-based MacBook Air way back in the day, but AMD couldn't provide in qty. My guess is the reason you don't see high volume AMD systems yet is for this reason.

3. I think it has less to do with volume and more to do with establishing a more consistent track record to provide consistent, quality, long-term support. This has been a problem with AMD in the past.


Yet it doesn’t have Thunderbolt, Quick Sync, nor completely match the performance of the Intel CPU in the 16 inch (benchmark was compared to the last generation Intel CPUs, so 10th generation will be higher).

Actually, the latest benchmarks show the ASUS ROG Zephyrus 14” outperforming the MBP 16”. Check notebookreview.com and Ultrabookreview.com.

Further, any OEM can add a TB chip to the main board. They just have to pay for and receive Intel certification for the design. There is a desktop main board for AMD which already has TB3 on it. The problem is it took years for Intel to approve it. The main reason AMD has not been able to add TB 3 to its mobile lineup is that they have to get the design certified by Intel. Why would Intel shoot itself in the foot by boosting the offerings of its main competitor who is currently thrashing them?

Regardless TB 3 will arrive with USB 4.

Lastly, you are correct AMD does not have Quick Sync. Instead they offer more cores for less money. Regardless, Intel is still behind AMD in performance, and that includes Intel’s hotter, slower 10th gen CPUs.
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1) Wrong. Soldered parts are more reliable. Maybe you are too young to remember when problems could be fixed by reseating (removing then replacing) parts in their connectors.

2) Additionally, soldered parts have a lower profile than the connector plus the part. M.2 is much higher (thicker) than soldering NAND chips to the logic board.

3) No one ever says RAM or SSD in cellphones should be upgradeable; why do you think that is?

4) Apple takes into account their entire user base when they make decisions. No matter how much you want something, it’s not all about you. You can’t always get what you want 🤷‍♂️

Soldered parts also mean more expensive repairs. I would rather reseat or replace a stick of RAM rather than an entire main board. I ave seen both sides to this—I repair computers—and for repair and upgrade purposes, I prefer a modular approach.
 
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Speak for yourself. I have the 15" MBP (2016) and am patiently waiting (ok, impatiently waiting) for the 13" refresh to get away from this damn keyboard and a smaller footprint. I like the size of the 13" better after having the 15" for so long. I think offering two sizes is the reasonable approach.
Ditto. The 14” will be perfect!
 
The current butterfly keyboard is amazing. I love the key stability and precision key strikes, regardless of where on the key I strike. Even when I strike the edges of the keys, the keys dont wobble at all. It truly was a revolutionary invention of Jony Ive. Sad to see it go

Great design if it would work reliably. Unfortunately it’s proven a Desaster in reliability terms and in type feel in general so the non wobble remains as the only positive.
 
Great design if it would work reliably. Unfortunately it’s proven a Desaster in reliability terms and in type feel in general so the non wobble remains as the only positive.

Agreed, it is why the butterfly mechanism has to be the worst thing from Apple and must be some new record in unreliability test.
 
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