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If it has the touch bar then no sale. Can't wait until it goes the way of the butterfly switches and gets curbed. Two terrible terrible design 'features' that never should have seen the light of day.
 
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I have no interest or need for MacBook pros so I don’t keep up on them, but why is it every time you turn around there’s a new one being released?
I don’t mind if they release more often rather than less often. It is better than having an update drought where, if you need a machine with macOS, you are stuck with 2+ year old processors & RAM.

I think the main reason this time around is the availability of processors and the desire to switch to the new keyboard. Once they release this, the butterfly keyboard will be gone from the notebook lineup.
 
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So what would be the difference with the '10th generation' chips? Just the same year to year 5-10% speed increase? Will it handle built in graphics better?

Cuz this 16" just sucks balls battery life if you're doing anything that switches on the gpu. My old macbook air gets better life in photoshop by a long shot. :(
 
So what would be the difference with the '10th generation' chips? Just the same year to year 5-10% speed increase? Will it handle built in graphics better?

Cuz this 16" just sucks balls battery life if you're doing anything that switches on the gpu. My old macbook air gets better life in photoshop by a long shot. :(
Along with CPU updates there are often other tweaks -- RAM & SSD speeds, mics, speakers, IO (BT and WiFi), etc.

IMO, it's not fair to compare battery life of the MBA with an MBP. The Airs have always had at least 20% better advertised battery life than the 13" MBP (12 hrs vs 10 hrs), and in real use, they tend to be better. For example, I had a 2017 13" MBP nTB and I'd get 6 hours if I was lucky with just regular browsing. Now with the 2019 MBA, I get probably 8-9 hours.
 
14 inch is too small. Apple should just ditch 14 inch and make 16 inch the standard for everyone. Just slap a 14" cpu into a 16" unibody to decrease the price.
Try running a survey. I think you might find 16" buyers to be in minority and it's not just the price. It's the size and weight. In fact, I would like to see a fanless 12" without some of the limitations of the previous rMB (like the really bad camera and keyboard).
 
Try running a survey. I think you might find 16" buyers to be in minority and it's not just the price. It's the size and weight. In fact, I would like to see a fanless 12" without some of the limitations of the previous rMB (like the really bad camera and keyboard).
I have the 12" MacBook now, and the screen is just too damn small. It should have been 15" at minimum for comfortable content viewing. It's now 2020, time for apple to bump up all screen sizes instead of making tiny devices which are cause eye strain when I work on my laptop for hours.

Just carry a little more (size and weight) for god sake and have a much larger, better screen.
 
I have the 12" MacBook now, and the screen is just too damn small. It should have been 15" at minimum for comfortable content viewing. It's now 2020, time for apple to bump up all screen sizes instead of making tiny devices which are cause eye strain when I work on my laptop for hours.

Just carry a little more (size and weight) for god sake and have a much larger, better screen.
Right it's too small for you and therefore that's what Apple should do...

Well if what one wants is what Apple should build, then I'd want an 8.9" mac for extreme portability and therefore Apple is stupid for not building it.

Snarkiness aside, my sweet spot for portability would be the approx. MacBook 12 with a 13" display... that should be the "Air"... hell those "bozos" at Dell can pull it off:

MacBook 12: 11.04 inches wide × 7.74 inches deep × 0.14 inches to 0.52 inches (1.32 cm) high
XPS 13: 11.6 inches wide x 7.8 inches deep x 0.6-inches high (and still manages a i7-1065G7 inside)

I'd rather have the pros being 14/17 or 14/18 (more differentiation on size as some pros need max portability, but some will sacrifice for max screen)... but both should have excellent thermals and performance (e.g. a bit thicker)
 
In regards to the debate about size, what's wrong with having 2 different sizes as they do currently so everyone is happy?
 
The thing with having no Pro at the 13-14 inch range, is that there’s many people who want power and portability, the 16 inch doesn’t have the portability factor. They could make the Air a hybrid but that then increases the price and that’s not what Apple really wants here.

The ASUS ROG Zephyrus has a 14” form factor and outperforms Apple’s 16” MBP. Of course, ASUS chose to use the new AMD 4800HS 35W APU.


I'm kinda "for" a switch to ARM, but Apple have to make sure that the 'last' Intel Macs are bang up-to-date, allow a decent transition period and not use it as an excuse to dumb-down MacOS.

You may be very disappointed. The last transition gave the obligatory lip service to the last gen of PPC Macs, but they were basically forgotten one year after the Intel Macs were released, by both Apple and developers. Expect the same here.
 
Dedicated graphics and you gotta a deal
Razer has shown that you can put a dgpu in a small form factor and still manage the heat, but with that said, I doubt that Apple will do this for a few reasons (cost, heat, lack of perceived demand)

Needs a bigger trackpad.
The 15/16" MBP has a track pad that just too large, so I hope they don't do that.

If it has the touch bar then no sale.
Since the 16" that was just released a few months ago has one, the odds are high, the 13" will.
 
AMD is already getting a bit nuts with their 64-core CPUs on desktop and ARM seems built to have a ton.

AMD’s Ryzen 4000 Mobile CPUs already go up to 8 cores and 16 threads at 35W.

Personally, Apple’s continued use of Intel CPUs which underperform AMD’s current offerings is the biggest indicator they plan to shift to ARM. Otherwise why not use AMD’s 4800HS 35W APU?
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I just want the 14” display and new keyboard. Hopefully either Ice Lake or AMD 4000 for the CPUs. Comet lake doesn’t have the GPU performance. Ice lake has less cores (4 core 8 thread) but that’s plenty for most people coming from any other 13”. ...

For me it’s about productivity. I ... just like the OS and build quality. I travel for a living so it’s either this or I’m switching to a Thinkpad. Not everyone is a “content creator” and most of them can use the 16” with dedicated graphics. Give me my premium feeling 14” and I’ll give you my wallet, deal?

I echo your sentiments. Keep an eye on Lenovo. They are supposed to be releasing a new T14 series with AMD CPUs. My only issue is that I don’t think it will have TB3/4 until next year when more OEMs will integrate TB3/4 into the USB 4 port.

Edit: Some sites are reporting the T14 and T14S include TB3. I will be looking very closely at these.

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Ok, you‘re going to believe what you’re going to believe. Your posts have been pretty consistent on that point.

Actually, it has been shown in independent testing that NVMe M.2 achieves the same performance/ throughput as Apple’s proprietary solution.
 
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14 inch is too small. Apple should just ditch 14 inch and make 16 inch the standard for everyone. Just slap a 14" cpu into a 16" unibody to decrease the price.

Realistically, Apple can make a 15” MBA at a lower price like at $1500
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The 15/16" MBP has a track pad that just too large, so I hope they don't do that.

Agreed. Apple made the trackpad look oversized on the 16” model. That's just pathetic and the trackpad size is about right on the 13” model.
 
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Most of us don't want a large slab to lug around which is why the 13" footprint is perfect for us.
Yep, although I personally prefer 12”.

Back in the day my colleagues used to ask me what to get for business travel (for office apps, and not as a primary home machine) and I’d usually recommend a slim machine with high quality IPS screen in the 13” size, but invariably some “expert” teenager in the family would recommend some high powered 15” behemoth because it was “better value for the money”. So they’d disregard my advice and buy the 15”.

And then invariably a year later they’d be buying another machine because the “better value” 15” machine had a mediocre screen, mediocre battery life, and was too big to carry around all the time and to use in economy class on the plane.
 
Personally, Apple’s continued use of Intel CPUs which underperform AMD’s current offerings is the biggest indicator they plan to shift to ARM. Otherwise why not use AMD’s 4800HS 35W APU?

One of three reasons I'd guess
1. Really good discount pricing on Intel parts by staying exclusive
2. Going to switch to Apple custom chips anyway so why add another switch
3. Volume. IIRC, Apple tried a AMD Llano-based MacBook Air way back in the day, but AMD couldn't provide in qty. My guess is the reason you don't see high volume AMD systems yet is for this reason.
 
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That's because Apple employees deliberately use a proprietary connector that soldered to the storage. The M.2 form factor connector can be used for user-replaceable and offer performance improvements down the road for the customers that desire to upgrade from another vendor.
There’s no connector at all, the chips are soldered directly to the logic board. It’s been that way for many years, and it’s not going to change. If you want M.2 connectors, you’ll have to buy another brand.
 
The ASUS ROG Zephyrus has a 14” form factor and outperforms Apple’s 16” MBP. Of course, ASUS chose to use the new AMD 4800HS 35W APU.

Yet it doesn’t have Thunderbolt, Quick Sync, nor completely match the performance of the Intel CPU in the 16 inch (benchmark was compared to the last generation Intel CPUs, so 10th generation will be higher).
 
There’s no connector at all, the chips are soldered directly to the logic board. It’s been that way for many years, and it’s not going to change. If you want M.2 connectors, you’ll have to buy another brand.

It's bad for the people by soldering and it's unnecessary to do that because M.2 form factor connector will allow being more repairable and upgradable for better performance than an inferior proprietary solution on Apple MBP.
 
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It's bad for the people by soldering and it's unnecessary to do that because M.2 form factor connector will allow being more repairable and upgradable for better performance than an inferior proprietary solution on Apple MBP.
Apple uses their own T2 chip as the SSD controller, and it’s integrally tied to Apple’s new file system.

An M.2 drive has its own integrated controller onboard, and cannot interface (and is therefore not compatible) with Apple’s T2. The T2 expects to see raw NAND chips, not an additional SSD controller behind a PCIe 3.0 interface.

Soldered chips are more reliable, and the T2 more secure, than M.2. Both benefit the customer.
 
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