Leaker: iPhone 12 Lineup to Feature Faster Face ID, Improved Zoom, and Longer Battery Life

If you watch a few YouTube videos by 2 minute papers you will learn that learning algorithms should enable digital zoom to be almost as good as optical for certain ranges. Its almost amazing what is being done.
 
iFan said:
You have clearly a cursory knowledge of these subjects and should leave the detailed analysis to others. Nuance is king.

First-gen 5G chipsets definitely sucked more juice, especially for mmwave usage, but Apple will be using a second-gen Qualcomm X55 chipset. Next year they will likely be using the X60 chipset which will improve further and be based on TSMC 5nm design.

Of course in certain usage situations the new iPhone will use more battery, but we don't know how well the X55 chipset will perform with Apple's proprietary antenna design. Apple will surely compensate by either increasing efficiency elsewhere, or adding extra battery capacity, or both. For many people, especially outside of mmwave areas, this new phone will likely offer better reception (Qualcomm vs Intel) AND better battery life. Looking at a single component is meaningless without putting it in context of overall battery usage (screen, processor, memory, software optimization, antenna design, etc.)
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LOL, I'm sorry, I'll leave it to the experts like yourself. And all you've done is contradict yourself in saying that Apple will "increase efficiency or increase the battery capacity, or both" thereby further backing up my statement that 5G negatively impacts battery life.

And you have no clue on how it will perform reception wise, or battery wise. And I'm only looking at a single component because that's all I was discussing was 5G. I said 5G negatively impacts battery, which it does. But thank you again for your "detailed analysis" that further backed up my statement.

And just on a side note, when you tell someone to leave the detailed analysis to others you really come off poorly. If you want to throw your opinion out there that's fine but talking down to people in the process is not a good look. But you have a great evening friend.
 
miq said:
so... rubbish in other words.




No he doesn’t, but we’re talking about his beloved Apple here, which automatically means their 5G implementation is going to be significantly better than that of “stupid dumdum Android”.
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I think it is a little too early to categorically say “rubbish.” We will have to wait and see if the battery is the same size as the current SE, which is 1,821 mAh. Given the smaller form factor of the 5.4”, I am not going to assume Apple will put anything bigger in the phone. The 11 model has a 3,110 mAh and the article says worse than that. For all we know, the battery could be 2100 mAh. If it is the same size as the current SE, a lot of people are going to be disappointed and frustrated.

I have the current SE and it was getting excellent battery life on iOS 13. I am a light user with the phone and I could get almost 1.5 days between charges. With iOS 14 and setting up as new several times, a lot of the time the phone is down to 20 - 30% before the full day is over. I have gone to using a Apple Smart Battery Case. I am using the same apps as I was with iOS 13. It may be a bug with iOS 14.
 
I7guy said:
I get what you are saying, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. We'll actually have to see use cases and battery tests to confirm, a hypothetical scenario of this: "how much battery is sacrificed in downloading 1 gig..from LTE from 5G? Within that, fringe reception scenarios, couple of bars, full bars, mmwave vs sub-6...vs wifi. Lots of nuances.
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Except the radios are switched off when you stop downloading. They’re still drawing standby power.
 
otternonsense said:
Steve may have been stubborn but he had fantastic ideas, gut feel, love for design and products, and keen market intuition. It may have worked for him not listening to user research because he was already ahead of the curve. Tim clearly has no ideas or vision of his own, no interest in design and engineering (Ive would complain about that too) and plays it extremely safe by repeating the same devices for the last 9 years with annual spec boosts or feature culling for extra Genius Bar/dongle revenue, while being a social cause butterfly dreaming of making TV series rather than great hardware and software. What’s stubborn is that he carries on without listening to his users’ screaming needs, now also having the plot armor of too-big-to-fail Apple.
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Just remember, that it was Ive’s ‘exquisite’ design and engineering that brought us the Butterfly Keyboard...and the several years of denials about the overwhelming problems with that design. Likewise the one-port MacBook, which was what Apple had tried initially with the original Air. All building toward Jonny’s ultimate design goal: a device with no ports or apertures of any kind...a solid-appearing slab of tech. Screen and blank back, edges, and sides. So while I don’t disagree that Cook is no great visionary, I also think that he brings needed pragmatism to implementation. Though I do fear that he may weigh too heavily on the side of saving money versus actual value to the Apple consumer. The storage pricing tiers are my particular objections. Far too little as the base starting point for $1K+ devices!
 
I7guy said:
Right, but both radios aren't active at the same time...are they?
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Radios draw power even when they’re inactive. Unless you switch them off. They’re listening for signals, remember? (And if you’re in a marginal signal area, they’ll crank up the power so they don’t lose connection.)
 
otternonsense said:
Steve may have been stubborn but he had fantastic ideas, gut feel, love for design and products, and keen market intuition. It may have worked for him not listening to user research because he was already ahead of the curve. Tim clearly has no ideas or vision of his own, no interest in design and engineering (Ive would complain about that too) and plays it extremely safe by repeating the same devices for the last 9 years with annual spec boosts or feature culling for extra Genius Bar/dongle revenue, while being a social cause butterfly dreaming of making TV series rather than great hardware and software. What’s stubborn is that he carries on without listening to his users’ screaming needs, now also having the plot armor of too-big-to-fail Apple.
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Revisionist history. You are forgetting the 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, and 5 (which was a longer 4 in design). Jobs was a great leader, but let's not make him out to be someone that took big design risks, because he didn't. Don't get me wrong, I loved all those phones, but he did the same thing that Cook is doing now.
 
BasicGreatGuy said:
If this info is accurate, it looks like the battery for the mini me might be on par with the new SE.
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Impossible. It's a 1800 vs 2200 mAh battery, and a A13 vs A14.

if Apple walks out and says the the battery life is one hour less than 11, than that's a huge win.
 
QuarterSwede said:
Like LiDAR that is very rumored to be a major addition this year. It will enable some truly incredible stuff.
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As someone that has the 2020 iPad Pro, with LIDAR, can say 100%, its (LIDAR) pretty much useless and is nothing to get excited over. Has absolutely nothing to show for it 7 months after release other than the Ikea app and a few paywalled Apple Arcade games
 
Jeeze! Tough crowd! This sounds like great news to me. Hope it is true. I'm still going to try to hold out for the iPhone 13 (because 5g needs time to mature and the refresh after a redesign is always the better iPhone) but the iPhone 12 Pro Max sounds great to me. Hope the 10% bigger battery rumor holds up. I was expecting it to be smaller.

This would be my first iPhone ever so I'm willing to wait and make sure I get the right one.
 
Donnation said:
Wrong. If your phone is connected to a 5G network it is going to drain the battery faster. And 5G is available on most networks now.
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I apologize for appearing hostile - I like to both give and receive criticism.

One of the issues is that until all the networks go to stand-alone 5G (2021 earliest commercial deployment for Verizon and AT&T) - 5G still relies on 4G for authentication, etc. Essentially, you can't get 5G unless you have 4G. It is these items, along with the fact that the X55 modem doesn't allow for support for sub-6GHz and mmWave aggregation, that allow you to talk about general 5G shortcomings. The combination of SA 5G + improved aggregation + more efficient 3rd gen chip on 5nm + improved vendor equipment on the carrier side + software optimizations will make it so 5G isn't a battery concern.

I guess we will find out on Tuesday how much progress Apple has made compared to its competitors, and if it has receive any special treatment from Qualcomm due to their massive deal. Maybe the weird Digitimes rumor of Apple using X60 will be true (I doubt it but would love to be wrong.)

I think you have the general idea right, but I can see how cmaier and you have seemingly opposite views. There's some truth in both sides. A "form" of 5G will absolutely be commonplace in the US within months, but using data from 1H 2020 it shows that it isn't faster than current 4G. So one could argue that 5G isn't really "available." A lot of these issues are trying to be fixed before the iPhone launch. Carriers in the US have treated Samsung 5G phone users as beta testers.

I personally believe 5G by mid-2021 will be more reliable and faster than 4G in most metros in the US. As the carriers begin to fully phase out 3G, 5G will become even better. And as 3rd gen chipsets become commonplace in all phones, including Android, bandwidth will dramatically improve.

Side note that receives very little notice: How many people will change their plans to newer, potentially more expensive 5G-compatible plans with their carrier? For our family account on AT&T, it would cost $15 more monthly to get 5G with the same sort of plan. I think a large chunk of people are going to get a 5G iPhone and not even have access to real 5G due to their plan.
 
Krazy_Peanut said:
Am I the only one who doesn't care about a new iPhone anymore? Its always the same.
- Faster CPU
- Better camera
- Better Battery-life

...I think I am gonna be stuck with my 10S Max for a long time.
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Well, 6s here. Wouldn’t say stuck cause I love it but it’s finally showing its age. Was going to upgrade to the iPhone 12 but I might go for SE for the Touch ID.
 
Krazy_Peanut said:
Am I the only one who doesn't care about a new iPhone anymore? Its always the same.
- Faster CPU
- Better camera
- Better Battery-life

...I think I am gonna be stuck with my 10S Max for a long time.
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I have to agree with you here. Especially this year. I don't know what is great here. A new design, that's really and older design, and 5G is all I see.

My iPhone's not slow, so speed doesn't matter. Face ID isn't slow. Battery life isn't bad. Camera seems to be a software update....
 
Krazy_Peanut said:
Am I the only one who doesn't care about a new iPhone anymore? Its always the same.
- Faster CPU
- Better camera
- Better Battery-life

...I think I am gonna be stuck with my 10S Max for a long time.
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The thing is they don’t expect you to upgrade every year/other year. These are huge upgrades for anyone coming from the X or below. Of course if you upgrade every year/other year they won’t seem like big jumps.
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TFK. said:
No 120hz screen? what's the Pro models got over the normal models? just an extra lens? :(
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And more ram. Seems kind of meh.
 
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